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July 15th, 2008

Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update

Posted by Ed Bott @ 10:00 am

Categories: Linux, Security, Windows Vista

Tags: Ubuntu, Microsoft Windows Update, Operating System, Update, Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Operating Systems, Software, Ed Bott

A few months ago, Steve Ballmer publicly noted that Windows Vista was “a work in progress.” That inspired a predictable outpouring of Vista-bashing. After all, look how many updates Windows Vista has had since it was first released. Obviously, it was a disaster, or there would have been no need for that many updates, right? Why couldn’t Microsoft get it right the first time?

The reality? All modern operating systems used as mainstream business and consumer platforms are “works in progress” and require frequent updates to fix bugs and resolve security issues (and occasionally to add features). Many of those bugs and security issues don’t surface until the code gets deployed widely, and even then it sometimes takes detective work to figure out where the actual problem is. Presumably, the big issues get worked out within a few months, and the pace of updates drops off (but not to zero).

I thought about this over the weekend when I opened up a Hyper-V virtual machine running Ubuntu Linux 8.04. This was a plain-vanilla install of Ubuntu, with no additional software except what is included with the downloaded distro. I had last used this VM 51 days earlier, at which point the OS release was about a month old. At that time, it was completely current with patches and updates, and I hadn’t reopened it since. (A side note: My Ubuntu and OpenSUSE 11 installations on this Hyper-V server were exceptionally easy and performance is excellent. I’ll be migrating my Fedora installation from Virtual PC 2007 to Hyper-V and adding an OpenBSD machine on this platform as well.)

I expected that I would have to install a few updates. But I was surprised to see how many.

When the system finished resuming from its saved state and landed at the desktop, I clicked the Update button and was greeted with this dialog box:

Ubuntu Update Manager restart required

This was surprising. Every time I write about Windows Update I invariably get complaints from people about how how annoying it is to have to reboot after Windows updates and how Linux almost never requires a reboot. That’s often accompanied with a bit of bragging about uptime: “I’ve been running for 210 days without a reboot!” Apparently, I had installed some updates the last time and had hibernated instead of restarting. My mistake. After shutting down and restarting the virtual machine, I opened Ubuntu’s Update Manager and clicked the Check button.

Ubuntu Update Manager 198 updatesThere were 24 “Important security updates” on the list, plus another 172 “recommended updates” and 2 “distribution updates.” All apparently released in the 51 days since I last used this machine. The Update Manager dialog box indicated that I needed to download a total of 231.2 MB, and the whole process took more than 45 minutes. Remember, that was for less than two months’ worth of updates on an operating system that was released only three months ago.

When the update was complete, I got another “Restart Required” message.

Oh, and each time I used the Update Manager the screen background dimmed and I had to provide an administrator’s password in this dialog box:

Ubuntu’s version of UAC?

Looks an awful lot like a UAC prompt in Windows Vista, doesn’t it?

After I finished with these systems, I dusted off a VM running Fedora 9 that had also gone unused for 50-some days. Here’s what it needed:

Fedora 9 requires 238 updates in 51 days

Yowza! That’s 20% more than Ubuntu needed. The entire update process, download included, took roughly two hours.

(And yes, I know that the update packages offered here include support for applications that are installed with the OS. Roughly 20 updates were for OpenOffice.org, and two were for Firefox. Some of them were listed as security updates, which I presume means they fix bugs that represent a threat to my online safety. All those applications were part of the default OS installation, and the updates are selected in the Update Manager window by default.)

OS X Leopard has had its fair share of bug fixes as well, with four major updates in its first eight months of existence, or the equivalent of a service pack every two months. The first couple of update packages fixed what appeared to be some fairly serious bugs and performance issues, and every one has been chock-full of critical security fixes. Because the updates are cumulative, they get bigger with each new release, with the June 30 Leopard 10.5.4 update clocking in at 561MB. If you had said yes to each of those four update packages, you would have downloaded and installed more than 1.5GB worth of bug fixes. (By contrast, the standalone installer for the x86 Vista SP1 is 434MB.) With that volume of fixes, I think it’s reasonable to call Leopard a “work in progress.”

How does Windows Vista compare using the same metric? I found a Hyper-V VM that had last been updated on May 18, the same week as the two Linux machines. This virtual machine, running Windows Vista Ultimate, had Service Pack 1 installed but had missed two full months’ worth of Patch Tuesday deliveries from Microsoft. When I ran Windows Update, here’s what I saw:

Windows Update offers 11 updates in 53 days

I found it noteworthy that only Important and Recommended updates are installed by default. Those 43 optional updates were just that - optional - and they would not be installed without my explicit selection If that number seems high, there’s a reason: This machine is running Windows Vista Ultimate edition, which allows the installation of support for other languages. Of those 43 updates, 38 consisted of language packs and Ultimate Extras (a poker game, the DreamScene screen saver, and so on). If this machine had been running any other edition of Windows Vista, there would have been no more than five optional updates, including the Windows Junk Mail filter and a couple Media Center fixes.

I originally set up this system on April 2, using installation media with Service Pack 1 integrated into it. In the 100 days since then, the Windows Update log shows I have downloaded and installed every available Important and Recommended update, 46 in all. Of those, 8 were definition updates for Windows Defender, 3 were updates to the junk mail filter for Windows Mail, and 5 were monthly updates to the Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool.

My point here is not to bash Ubuntu or Fedora (or OS X, which, unfortunately, I haven’t tested because Apple will not allow me to install it on any computer I own). Far from it. I found the update process in both of these Linux distros to be fairly straightforward and clean, with just a few confusing options that I was able to figure out after minimal research.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable for a modern operating system to require frequent updates and to improve over time. In the case of Windows Vista, a year’s worth of updates and hotfixes and driver updates, many of them rolled into Service Pack 1, have resulted in an operating system that is markedly better than the one that was released to retail customers on January 30, 2007. The pace of updates has slowed, as expected, and as I assume it will with the two Linux distros I looked at here.

In short, the “work in progress” has actually produced results.

Ed BottEd Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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while i agree with your work in progress statement, your article didn't establish that. it felt like a polite Windows is better than Linux.If you want to bait fanboys go ahead, but don't use the "oh i... (Read the rest)
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They'll find some reason why Windows is worse.  ye | 07/15/08
You have to concede...  TripleII | 07/15/08
No, I do not.  ye | 07/16/08
Then who is the comment directed at?  storm14k | 07/16/08
It's aimed at those who will spin a difference between the two even...  ye | 07/16/08
Re: Then who is the comment directed at?  none none | 07/16/08
Ye looking for red herrings where they don't exist...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/16/08
You mean like this?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
October 31st, 2007??  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/16/08
Nine months after release of Vista  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
Well you're about due, Ed...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/16/08
But Microsoft doesn't bother with patches  jorjitop | 07/17/08
And that sums it up.  storm14k | 07/16/08
Oh they're real alright.  ye | 07/16/08
The update process with Ubuntu is far more  yschoo1@... | 07/16/08
No, WU does not go to a black screen. (nt)  ye | 07/16/08
Update Processwith Ubuntu...  windozefreak | 07/24/08
Look at the framework, not just the repository  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
Microsoft has a framework too.  ye | 07/16/08
They can, but they don't  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
MS offers ISVs and OEMs lots of ...  mwagner@... | 07/16/08
ISVs have no access to WU  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
I don't care if they don't. Having a centralized repository is not as...  ye | 07/16/08
But...  cashaww | 07/16/08
"where every application has their own update mechanism "  billfranke@... | 07/16/08
Hate to say it,  alaniane@... | 07/17/08
Here is a good one...  waltmaine | 07/16/08
The blog was not intended to be a numbers comparison.  ye | 07/16/08
And windows isn't?  waltmaine | 07/16/08
Did you even actually read the post?  fairportfan | 07/16/08
Somehow you seem to think that I think Windows is done.  ye | 07/16/08
agree  egashi@... | 07/24/08
Actually ...  daengbo | 07/16/08
Actually- daengbo  elderlybloke | 07/16/08
re: The blog was not intended to be a numbers comparison.  none none | 07/16/08
What's the point? I think Ed made that clear when he wrote:  ye | 07/16/08
Define..  cashaww | 07/16/08
Hey Bill..  bobd08 | 07/18/08
Lets see where to begin  bobd08 | 07/18/08
And you will find some reason why Linux is worse.  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  shrimphead | 07/15/08
Ed's observation was surprising.  TripleII | 07/15/08
Me neither  balaknair | 07/16/08
I don't remember I had to enter the password twice to  yschoo1@... | 07/16/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/16/08
Not a five-part UAC series  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
grin  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/16/08
Oh for chrissakes...  dprozzo | 07/16/08
Laughs?  Jhaks | 07/17/08
That's right...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/17/08
what is "sudo?"  maggietoo9 | 07/17/08
sudo is not a word per se  alaniane@... | 07/17/08
Acronym  ivanotter | 07/25/08
UAC  ibook4113 | 08/11/08
Sort of a meaningless metric...  sethloco | 07/15/08
True enough  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
Re: True enough  sethloco | 07/15/08
You PAY lot to M$ to release half baked OS  Web Smart | 07/24/08
wow....  ivanotter | 07/25/08
That Was the Point? Then you Missed...  northernwolf | 07/29/08
One may always compare apples to oranges, but when making orange juice..  DannyO_0x98 | 07/15/08
Gee, you suppose?  fairportfan | 07/16/08
Updates are good.  Mac Hosehead | 07/15/08
Good article, shame about the upcoming comments.  Big_Giff | 07/15/08
Right, the standard other operating systems have problems so NO criticism  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
Donnie, Donnie, Donnie  tonymcs@... | 07/15/08
plain rude - Donnie is right  maggietoo9 | 07/17/08
Tinfoil too tight  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/18/08
Not for everyone dude, speak for yourself  marks055@... | 07/15/08
Sure and pigs fly !  timiteh | 07/16/08
Re; And i should look for flying pigs.  hkommedal | 07/16/08
The part made it all look like the usual fanboy stuff  KimTjik | 07/16/08
Re: I've ever worked on an OS that has not crashed.  yschoo1@... | 07/16/08
Please compare apples to apples  kymnyth | 07/15/08
and there is more  emromero@... | 07/15/08
Microsoft allows  soonerproud | 07/15/08
Not so sure about that  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
Sounds right to me  notsofast | 07/16/08
Completely disagree  notsofast | 07/16/08
Already addressed in the following paragraph:  ye | 07/15/08
addressed and passed over...  sethloco | 07/15/08
Why what is not valid? (nt)  ye | 07/15/08
Re: Why what is not valid?  sethloco | 07/15/08
I'm still unclear as to what you're referencing.  ye | 07/15/08
I beg to differ  sethloco | 07/15/08
@sethloco: The number of updates is only...  ye | 07/15/08
@ye...what article are you reading?  sethloco | 07/15/08
@sethloco: Once again we see someone lose sight of...  ye | 07/16/08
@ye...hopeless  sethloco | 07/16/08
@sethloco: Wise idea.  ye | 07/16/08
@ye the philosophizer  sethloco | 07/16/08
Wrong  soonerproud | 07/15/08
You are wrong  luch3 | 07/16/08
re: You are wrong  M.R. Kennedy | 07/16/08
re: You are wrong  alresave@... | 07/16/08
@ alresave  M.R. Kennedy | 07/16/08
Yes  luch3 | 07/16/08
Yes there's a big difference  tombalablomba | 07/16/08
Bull...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/16/08
More than you know....  maggietoo9 | 07/17/08
Look again  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
re: Look again  none none | 07/16/08
If that's the case ...  daengbo | 07/16/08
RE: Look again  Shadowbelly | 07/16/08
Re: Uninstall it  notsofast | 07/16/08
It was in the default distro  notsofast | 07/16/08
You are right, plus....  maggietoo9 | 07/17/08
Forgot. to say - also....  maggietoo9 | 07/17/08
Conjecture  ivanotter | 07/25/08
Good article - thanks  Don Collins | 07/15/08
In logic this is known as a tu quoque fallacy  frgough | 07/15/08
Where did I say that?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
Please  frgough | 07/15/08
The point of the article  LiquidLearner | 07/15/08
The real point...  storm14k | 07/15/08
Windows Updates everything that ships with windows  notsofast | 07/16/08
Exactly right  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
re: Windows Updates everything that ships with windows  none none | 07/16/08
Re: None None's response  notsofast | 07/16/08
none's none?  maggietoo9 | 07/17/08
MSDN & TechNet as user support sites?  devlin_X | 07/15/08
Wrong on support terms  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
I bet the "average joe"....  storm14k | 07/15/08
re: I bet the "average joe"....  notsofast | 07/16/08
Misread? I don't think he did. I think he's doing what he typically does...  ye | 07/15/08
Right, he spends the whole article subtly bashing Linux, then  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
He wasn't bashing Linux. He put the part you refer to in there because...  ye | 07/15/08
Still, that is the oldest trick in the book. Do it all very subtly, then  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
I saw nothing negative about Linux.  ye | 07/15/08
Super subtle  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
Donnie...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
That word?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
Man take your biased glasses off - there wasn't  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
With all due rspect......  rogerbro@... | 07/16/08
The oldest trick..  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/16/08
If something is pointed out that's bad about linux, it's bashing!  LiquidLearner | 07/15/08
Critical thinking  frgough | 07/15/08
Or, as I said to Donnie Boy, he anticipated the whining...  ye | 07/15/08
Again, the oldest trick in the book. Pretend you are above the fray.  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
No, not all people are that stupid. Only you and a few...  ye | 07/15/08
Ed knew exactly what he was doing. Otherwise, why even bother with the  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
@DonnieBoy: It was very clear to me that Ed was not...  ye | 07/15/08
If that is the case, no denial would have been necessary.  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
With some people you can expect, no matter, what...  ye | 07/15/08
Again, no denials in advance would be needed if that were the case.  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
It isn't that Vista sucks....  maggietoo9 | 07/17/08
Offer a tinfoil hat  ivanotter | 07/25/08
In reality this is known as somebody didn't read  marks055@... | 07/15/08
He obviously read it very carefully, he was spot on.  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
Oh My gosh - grow up. Taking criticism is hard  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
UAC prompts are less frequent in Vista than Ubuntu  qmlscycrajg | 07/15/08
And the point is???  storm14k | 07/15/08
Line of demarcation ...  MisterMiester | 07/15/08
Are you serious?  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/16/08
I thought Linux doesn't need restart  LBiege | 07/15/08
The only time you NEED a restart  Michael Kelly | 07/15/08
Ubuntu asked me to reboot my machine 4 times this month  qmlscycrajg | 07/15/08
I run Ubuntu and do not recall 4 reboots required. At times, there are  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
Sounds to me  Michael Kelly | 07/15/08
I don't recall any...  storm14k | 07/15/08
I am sure there have not been 4 reboots in the last month. Maybe in the  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
I do the same.  storm14k | 07/15/08
but didn't require it.  TripleII | 07/15/08
Depends on package maintainer ...  MisterMiester | 07/15/08
being worked on  daengbo | 07/16/08
A reboot is also required  softwareFlunky | 07/16/08
RE:...Linux doesn't need restart  n0neXn0ne | 07/15/08
meanwhile, as you continue to use the old unpatched kernel  code_Warrior | 07/15/08
You can just reboot at the end of the day. And it is not always because  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
In this case, no it wasn't fine  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
something doesn't sound right...  n0neXn0ne | 07/16/08
Did you actually look at the screen shot?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
That is strange  rhomp2002@... | 07/16/08
Ubuntu reboot  M.R. Kennedy | 07/16/08
I recompile my own kernel (nt)  n0neXn0ne | 07/16/08
re: I recompile my own kernel  M.R. Kennedy | 07/16/08
Re:..my own...  n0neXn0ne | 07/16/08
Only for kernel updates.  soonerproud | 07/15/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 07/15/08
You tell me  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 07/16/08
Re. "required restarts"...  techboy_z | 07/16/08
With Ubuntu, you do not have to reboot right away if you do not want to.  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
Windows reboot  beoz | 07/15/08
You have the option to wait - at least I have  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
If you have automatic updates turned on...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/16/08
From what i've seen  deaf_e_kate | 07/17/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  emromero@... | 07/15/08
UAC is configurable  soonerproud | 07/15/08
In all fairness...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
I agree  soonerproud | 07/15/08
I agree with your final three paragraphs  Michael Kelly | 07/15/08
I would agree too. So, the only thing that Vista has going for it is better  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
FUD  ivanotter | 07/25/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  sethloco | 07/15/08
One more comparison you forgot to do ....  n0neXn0ne | 07/15/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  sethloco | 07/15/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  Loverock Davidson | 07/15/08
Channling Mike Cox, are you?  NetArch. | 07/15/08
No, just stating the facts  Loverock Davidson | 07/15/08
The only facts here are the ones you made up  Hemlock Stones | 07/15/08
Apparently you ovestimated the abilities of Loverock Davidson.  B.O.F.H. | 07/15/08
and FUD-tastical  ivanotter | 07/25/08
About TalkBack moderation  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
What this says *to me*..  supercharlie | 07/15/08
That is the great thing about Ubuntu and the wealth of applications.  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
Haa...  BFD | 07/15/08
That's not what it says *to me*  bmonster | 07/15/08
Then where is my magic button?  supercharlie | 07/15/08
Additional repositories ...  MisterMiester | 07/15/08
It's no different with Ubuntu  bmonster | 07/16/08
Actually there is a "Magic Button" ...  MisterMiester | 07/16/08
Ummm - No clicks and no password?  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
Microsoft and antitrust and not updating 3rd party software  beoz | 07/16/08
Ed, you are spot on.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/15/08
An analogy I left out...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
But, you forget that this is exactly the argument that MS uses to say that  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
Man there is a real chicken little...nt  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
not like with like  stevey_d | 07/16/08
UAC is still far far worse than gksu  stevey_d | 07/16/08
I think it???s reasonable to call Leopard a ???work in progress.???  Jeremy W | 07/15/08
Very true, the swipe that Ed took at OSX was not called for.  DonnieBoy | 07/15/08
I wouldn't consider it swipe as more of a fact...  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
We are happy for you...  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
I did!  mwagner@... | 07/16/08
Me too - but I don't think he wanted to hear that...nt  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
@ Jeremy W  M.R. Kennedy | 07/16/08
Comparing apples and pears  martin23 | 07/15/08
They do  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
Linux Apt-get vs. Microsoft Update  n0neXn0ne | 07/15/08
Partially true  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
This mechanism comes at a certain cost  tombalablomba | 07/16/08
Microsoft update, updates more than just Windows...  rs_jr | 07/15/08
The actual policy  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/15/08
Thanks for the clarification...  rs_jr | 07/15/08
RE:Thanks for the clarification...  n0neXn0ne | 07/15/08
Nicely said - but some just can't live with the  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
I rest my case with the response you received...nt  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
Vista is for IT Professionals?  martin23 | 07/16/08
"when the OEM specifically requests it" and pays a fortune for WHQL to sign  stevey_d | 07/16/08
$250  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
ok tell me where to get this, and is this the only cost  stevey_d | 07/17/08
Google it  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/17/08
when?  stevey_d | 07/17/08
and I did google it all i find is circular links on Microsoft website  stevey_d | 07/17/08
Here  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/17/08
You're confusing them with facts Ed!  tonymcs@... | 07/15/08
Anacdotes ??  martin23 | 07/16/08
I just can't make myself care...  beoz | 07/16/08
sudo annoys but also protects and serves  barence773 | 07/15/08
Want a root terminal?  MisterMiester | 07/15/08
I still dislike sudo.  TripleII | 07/15/08
I didn't like it either...at first  Chad_z | 07/16/08
You misunderstand UAC  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
I doubt he misunderstands UAC. More likely...  ye | 07/16/08
I think the greatest danger with sudo  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/16/08
Different systems which are not comparable ...  MisterMiester | 07/15/08
might be more applicable to compare it  marks055@... | 07/15/08
UAC far far more annoying than gksu and  stevey_d | 07/15/08
and also, linux updates might be feature upgrades to packages  stevey_d | 07/15/08
It's actually the opposite ...  MisterMiester | 07/16/08
Missing the point: I mean bugs versus features  stevey_d | 07/16/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  Gis Bun | 07/16/08
Microsoft service packs are cumulative as well  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
How Many Vista APPLICATIONS are Unpatched?  dbm@... | 07/16/08
You don't really have to update....  Narg | 07/16/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  michael@... | 07/16/08
Reboots and UAC  alf@... | 07/16/08
As usual a good article Ed...and right on the money.  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
Windows updates Windows; Linux updates everything  lefty.crupps | 07/16/08
Two words: Debian Unstable  Rambo Tribble | 07/16/08
Ubuntu updates  none none | 07/16/08
Kernel requires reboot, that's all  scott1329 | 07/16/08
The real fallacy in Ed's post...  heres_johnny | 07/16/08
I very seldom get UAC unless  socialism=nowhere | 07/16/08
What makes UAC pop up a lot  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
what about programs that need to access the hardware?  stevey_d | 07/16/08
Huh?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
Do you make hardware and drivers for that hardware?  stevey_d | 07/16/08
"My understanding of UAC is that it pops up a LOT."  beoz | 07/16/08
Ubuntu or Fedora vs. Linux  techboy_z | 07/16/08
What's the point of this article.  GOTBO | 07/16/08
I think we're all confused  sethloco | 07/16/08
"Thrown in at the end"  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
Re: Thrown in at the end  sethloco | 07/16/08
Mentioned briefly?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
Re: Mentioned briefly?  sethloco | 07/16/08
Fair enough  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
re: Mentioned briefly?  none none | 07/16/08
re: Mentioned briefly?  GOTBO | 07/17/08
Really ed  TDMBlanchard | 10/06/08
hmmmmm!!!!!  Arist?teles Ben?cio | 07/16/08
re:!!!!mmmh  n0neXn0ne | 07/16/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  Arist?teles Ben?cio | 07/16/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  maldain | 07/16/08
main subject  Arist?teles Ben?cio | 07/16/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  psmsrs@... | 07/16/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  trenchsol | 07/16/08
OS vs. Application updates  ZDNET_guest666 | 07/16/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  imapunk4life@... | 07/16/08
fixed a sentence  imapunk4life@... | 07/16/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  0rion | 07/16/08
Agreed,  melekali | 07/16/08
I disable UAC can you do the same with Ulbuntu?  Randalllind | 07/16/08
Yes you can  tombalablomba | 07/16/08
Impressive Comparison  melekali | 07/16/08
Put basically  Richard Flude | 07/16/08
Linux fanboy defending the indefensible...  transposeIT | 07/16/08
Yo, Rich ...  n0neXn0ne | 07/16/08
Just unlucky, I guess  Mitch 74 | 07/17/08
Windows update VS Ubuntu Update  as901 | 07/17/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  pocongcentil | 07/17/08
The wireless issue  Michael Kelly | 07/17/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  luch3 | 07/17/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  john.foggitt@... | 07/17/08
Richard Flude to the rescue...  readwrite | 07/17/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  maggietoo9 | 07/17/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  atari8bit@... | 07/17/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  joe@... | 07/20/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  joe@... | 07/20/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  joe@... | 07/20/08
Reboot?  Sagax- | 07/20/08
Another View Point  ElecNinja | 07/25/08
RE: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update  cruggeld | 08/10/08
sorry...  cruggeld | 08/10/08

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