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July 30th, 2008

Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream

Posted by Ed Bott @ 6:21 am

Categories: Windows Vista

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, RAM, 64-Bit, Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Network Technology, Processors, Semiconductors, Hardware, Components

Last year, x64 editions of Windows Vista were hard to come by and seen as mainly for early adopters. This year, with little warning, the tide seems to have shifted dramatically. I noticed the first hint three weeks ago, when I visited HP’s website to check the specs of the new TX2500z notebook and saw that a 64-bit upgrade was available for all models. When I looked at the flyers in last Sunday’s paper, I saw several PCs at Best Buy with 64-bit Vista Home Premium Edition installed, including notebooks from HP and Toshiba and quad-core desktops from Gateway and Dell; the former came with 4GB of RAM and a 19-inch LCD monitor for $750, while the latter had 6GB of RAM  and a 19-inch monitor for $830.

Microsoft noticed the sudden shift as well. According to stats I received yesterday, the installed base of 64-bit Windows Vista machines in the U.S. has more than tripled in the last three months. Using data from its Windows Update servers, Microsoft calculated that 1.45% of all Windows Vista machines were running x64 Vista editions in March of this year. By June, that figure was up to 5.18%. That number is actually more impressive than it sounds: by my back-of-the-envelope calculations, making that shift in total market share means that at least 20% of all Vista PCs sold in the second quarter of this year came with 64-bit editions of Windows Vista preinstalled. By fall, it’s possible, even likely, that we’ll reach a tipping point, with more than 50% of new PCs sold at retail coming with 64-bit editions of Windows Vista preinstalled.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. I’ve been running Vista x64 on my main desktop PC since February, with no issues whatsoever. In May, I converted a year-old ASUS Tablet PC to Vista x64 and was astounded at how easy it was. Finding 64-bit drivers for virtually every mainstream device is easy, and I have yet to see a 32-bit Windows program that won’t run on an x64 system.

So why the shift now?

First, RAM is cheap. With the exception of low-end loss leaders, most new PCs in the retail channel these days are equipped with 4GB of RAM or more and cost under $1000. If you want to actually use that RAM, you need to move to a 64-bit code base. Looks like the major OEMs figured that out, too.

Second, a new wave of applications is going to debut in the fall, Most are aimed at digital media enthusiasts and professionals, including Adobe Photoshop CS4 and Lightroom. (In fact, the next version of Photoshop will be 64-bit native for Windows 64-bit OSes only.) Adobe’s John Nack says “the speedup due to running in 64-bit mode is around 8-12%” and that opening a 3.75 gigapixel image on a suitably equipped machine (quad-core, 32GB of RAM) is “about 10x faster.” Sony’s long-awaited 64-bit Vegas Pro 8.1 video editing program (announced and demoed at NAB in 2007, demoed again at NAB in 2008) should be available around the same time.

Update 31-July: Well, that was fast! Around the time I was writing this post, Adobe released Photoshop Lightroom 2, with full 64-bit support for Windows Vista. Details here.

For consumers, there’s certainly potential for confusion, especially given that most systems sold in the past few years have combined 64-bit CPUs with 32-bit Windows. Microsoft has prepared some guidelines for hardware and software vendors and for consumers. The most likely point of confusion comes when downloading drivers; I was pleased to see that HP is delivering its drivers and software updates with both x86 and x64 versions in the same downloadable package, allowing the installer to decide which one to use based on the system’s specs.

The biggest sticking point continues to be legacy hardware. OEMs delivering new machine configurations can ensure that every included device works properly, but plugging in an older device might not work. My three-year-old ScanSnap scanner finally has 32-bit Vista drivers, but Fujitsu has announced that it has no intention of producing x64 drivers for that series.

Ironically, one of the most high-profile laggards is from Microsoft itself. As I noted last December, Microsoft’s fingerprint readers, included with some mice and keyboards, don’t offer 64-bit support. Since then, UPEK has released x64 drivers and control software for its devices (I have one on my desktop and one an the ASUS Tablet). Ironically, the fingerprint reader in my new x64-based HP notebook works perfectly with its Digital Persona software. The Microsoft devices use that same software; alas, the new Windows Vista Compatibility Center still lists those devices as “not compatible” with 64-bit Windows Vista.

So, how many of you are running 64-bit Windows? Any problems to report?

Update 30-July 10:00AM: In the TalkBack section, several commenters have noted the absence of a 64-bit Flash player. I’ve addressed that issue in a follow-up post: Dear Adobe, can we please have a 64-bit Flash player?

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RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream
I think adobe dropped the ball on this one. I just purchased a back to school laptop replacement. This is September 2009 years later and people have been arguing with Adobe since 2005, 4, FOUR, f-o-u... (Read the rest)
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Ignore the useless twit above me here - my question is -  socialism=nowhere | 07/31/08
I've got Ultimate, too - but I'll wait...  jlafitte | 07/31/08
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64 bit will soon rule  Sagax- | 08/07/08
I have 2 apps that do not work  sfessey@... | 07/31/08
Been running 64-bit since March  tikigawd | 07/31/08
64bit Vista Ultimate on my ....  ShadeTree | 07/30/08
Message has been deleted.  MIKEC0X | 07/31/08
have to agree  Pavex | 07/31/08
Raises hand - Vista Ultimate 64 here  supercharlie | 07/30/08
Choose one...  mrlinux | 07/30/08
Well..  supercharlie | 07/30/08
In fairness...  heres_johnny | 07/30/08
I haven't tried 64 bit Ubuntu  alaniane@... | 07/31/08
Message has been deleted.  fr0thy2 | 08/01/08
64 Bit and some minor issues  jimfuhl | 08/25/08
The only selling point Vista has?? (snickering)  techboy_z | 07/30/08
what  dave@... | 07/30/08
Amen.  jlafitte | 07/31/08
Don't forget ...  fr0thy2 | 08/01/08
Posts like yours do ....  ShadeTree | 07/30/08
Congradulations!  Kromaethius | 07/30/08
LOL...nt  USTechHead | 07/30/08
how 'bout the "Can't Spell" award? (nt)  *Gman* | 07/31/08
pointing out spelling errors  rtk | 07/31/08
+1 (nt)  AndyCee | 07/31/08
Count me in with the satisfied Vista 64 bit crowd  NonZealot | 07/30/08
32 GB RAM = Suitably equipped?  jasonp@... | 07/30/08
For a graphics professional, not average desktop  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/08
Ed, You Da' Man!  Kromaethius | 07/30/08
Re: 2400 DPI  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/30/08
Know your market  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/08
A clarification...  bmerc | 07/31/08
Another example...  JCitizen | 07/31/08
Xerox have been selling huge printers......  stevey_d | 07/31/08
Here is Yet another Example...  Kromaethius | 07/30/08
Whatever dsx  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/31/08
Traditional print  Ashtonian | 07/31/08
Some numbers...  Fred Fredrickson | 07/31/08
Pixels and pasting  johndrayuk@... | 08/01/08
Most of the 64 bit workstations I have seen have 8 gb  coffee junky | 07/31/08
We are talking about "Vista" 64 here.  Breetai | 07/30/08
Works fine with 1GB, better with 2GB ....  ShadeTree | 07/30/08
its obvious you aren't  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/30/08
It's obvious that  fr0thy2 | 08/01/08
You missed the part...  rdiekema@... | 07/31/08
As hardware becoming better & cheaper  LBiege | 07/30/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  DJ Choppercat | 07/30/08
I can't speak for Vista x64 yet; but...  JCitizen | 07/31/08
...download GOOGLE Desktop...  PollyProteus | 07/31/08
True - maybe just a busted driver...(NT)  JCitizen | 07/31/08
No vista32 bit unsigned driver runs @ startup, all 64bit drivers are signed  stevey_d | 07/31/08
We all know MS updates break drivers...  JCitizen | 08/02/08
"not be Microsoft's fault, this would be Google's" maybe no biz model  stevey_d | 07/31/08
Yep, good experience with 64 bit here, too  cgdams | 07/30/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  sam.strasser | 07/30/08
Baloney!  DarbyOhara | 07/30/08
He was refering to the purchase of a computer.  ye | 07/30/08
Jokesster: Reboot daily  NotParker | 07/30/08
RE: Hmm  Bozzer | 07/30/08
Do you think daily reboots are normal? (nt)  ye | 07/30/08
Bill gates did  AndyCee | 07/31/08
It said he rebooted his system every night.  ye | 07/31/08
The three finger salute  alaniane@... | 07/31/08
It's sad that you have to make up anti-Vista stories  NonZealot | 07/30/08
Very Sad indeed.  bobiroc | 07/30/08
Message has been deleted.  ShadeTree | 07/30/08
If you have to reboot Vista ....  ShadeTree | 07/30/08
sounds like a dirty system to me.  jlafitte | 07/31/08
You Need Training  psychosmurf | 08/01/08
One 64 bit issue  redtrain65 | 07/30/08
32-bit IE is default in Vista x64  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/08
I ended up with both...  supercharlie | 07/30/08
I covered this in the follow-up post  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/08
Who cares ...  fr0thy2 | 08/01/08
I think I know why...  chris@... | 08/03/08
x64 is great  mkrigsman@...ZDNet Moderator | 07/30/08
64 Bit Vista good at any mem level  NelsonVe | 07/31/08
Rarely crash?  mwagner@... | 08/04/08
RE: The 4Gb brickwall is here...  Bozzer | 07/30/08
make sure  flash777 | 07/31/08
Genuine Excelleration Awards for boot time. I ran one.  rtirman37@... | 08/02/08
Genuine Excelleration for boot time. I ran one.  rtirman37@... | 08/02/08
Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  dracvs | 07/30/08
Maybe it's because my level of knowledge is high  Michael Kelly | 07/30/08
Yes your level is high...  dracvs | 07/30/08
I haven't had issues with  alaniane@... | 07/31/08
Agree about Vista, disagree about Linux  NonZealot | 07/30/08
And mac Oh Es Ex  dracvs | 07/30/08
Not needed  pairof9s | 07/30/08
Subjective Opinion  dracvs | 07/30/08
Not sure what it really matters  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/30/08
" It's a nightmare"  beoz | 07/30/08
What are you talking about?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/31/08
4 version of Vista  beoz | 07/31/08
I think MS did a good job in splitting Vista up  NoThomas | 08/01/08
XP legacy  ariesghost | 08/07/08
Speed  istari2ve2002@... | 07/31/08
What nonsense about OSX  stevey_d | 07/31/08
I've had excellent experiences with 64 bit Ubuntu  ye | 07/30/08
Flash yes, java no  barence773 | 08/01/08
Transparent?  JDThompson | 07/31/08
..Most like muddy  dracvs | 08/01/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  pesweet | 07/30/08
There's a deeper reason than just cheaper RAM ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 07/30/08
Thank You For The Intelligent Post  chessmen | 07/30/08
sure,  rtk | 07/30/08
Not I?  Kromaethius | 07/30/08
Neither I...  JCitizen | 08/02/08
Inevitable but ultimately pointless though  stevey_d | 07/31/08
a "buman" should be a "human" not sure what my unconcious was saying there  stevey_d | 07/31/08
Installed base has more than tripled in the last three months.  Jeremy W | 07/30/08
You left out a word  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/08
Nicely done!  NonZealot | 07/30/08
Depends if the maths matches the 180 million  deaf_e_kate | 07/30/08
No, they didn't  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/08
Aw.  beoz | 07/30/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  FJRC | 07/30/08
64-bit Vista Ultimate here  SO.CAL Guy | 07/30/08
Darn Xerox Phaser Drivers!  Roque Mocan | 07/30/08
I've always had problems  Michael Kelly | 07/30/08
Vista 64, 8 gig, & lovin it!  eggmanbubbagee@... | 07/30/08
Vista 64, 8 gig, and lovin it!  eggmanbubbagee@... | 07/30/08
How is it in running games? Anyone?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/30/08
games are good!  eggmanbubbagee@... | 07/30/08
Cool, glad to hear it!  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/30/08
All work fine for me  NonZealot | 07/30/08
Good to know!  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/30/08
Vista64 great for games  PedroTabs | 07/30/08
....except for GameTap  Joe_Raby | 07/31/08
Will someone please tell the VPN vendors this?  BitTwiddler | 07/30/08
Add SonicWALL/Aventail to the list  im4nits | 07/31/08
Cisco VPN client WILL *NOT* support Vista x64  royalef | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  Pooch666 | 07/30/08
Your numbers are just slightly off...  OutsideThe Box | 07/30/08
64-bit Windows security  pesweet | 07/30/08
No data that I've found  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/08
Is this data handled in 64 bit packages?  BALTHOR | 07/30/08
42...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/08
No one does base 13 jokes anymore (nt)  beoz | 07/30/08
Busted (nt)  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/30/08
Another use for 42  rattlesnake0407 | 08/04/08
Integers  dracvs | 07/30/08
Excel 2007 Goes to 1,048,576 rows  ejcorcoran | 07/31/08
Wrong. You're obviously not familiar with the insides of CPUs  stevey_d | 07/31/08
If your running 64 bit code on a 32 bit  alaniane@... | 07/31/08
but we aren't talking about 64 bit CPU versus 32 bit CPU...  stevey_d | 07/31/08
King of India  modicr@... | 07/31/08
Great just no ZoneAlarm  PedroTabs | 07/30/08
you wont need it  DonBurnett | 07/31/08
Get Free Comodo Firewall Pro instead  mik3 | 07/31/08
Suddenly?  MIKEC0X | 07/31/08
all you ever used?  eggmanbubbagee@... | 07/31/08
You've only used computers since Jan 2007? (nt)  AndyCee | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  georgeis@... | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  martinellisis@... | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  Norcross | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  davidwjohnson@... | 07/31/08
Mainstream for Who?  dadav31@... | 07/31/08
VISTA 64-bit not supported for the average business apps  cjbecker94@... | 07/31/08
Wrong again!  DonBurnett | 07/31/08
Must use 64-bit because 3GB limit is too low for Vista  arodriguez@... | 07/31/08
is superfetch on?  eggmanbubbagee@... | 07/31/08
You do understand...  wolf_z | 07/31/08
Year and a half without problems  michael@... | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  rodonn | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  captarty | 07/31/08
What do you consider average?...  OutsideThe Box | 07/31/08
Message has been deleted.  thungurknifur | 08/04/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  ellemat@... | 07/31/08
is anyone here from the real (business) world??  bruce@... | 07/31/08
Re:  dvm | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  gil@... | 07/31/08
Page file off or set low?  eggmanbubbagee@... | 07/31/08
RE: Page file off or set low?  mikefarinha | 07/31/08
you have some hard data on this?  eggmanbubbagee@... | 07/31/08
I have tested  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/31/08
Do not follow enthusiast advice from XP  soonerproud | 07/31/08
I have tested it  soonerproud | 07/31/08
It doesn't pass the common sense test.  ye | 07/31/08
Page file w/XP64  Techref6060 | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  Ed_Moorman | 07/31/08
64-bit Flash NOT AN ISSUE  DonBurnett | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  ysue@... | 07/31/08
Try version 5.0.03.0530  OutsideThe Box | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  jimkata2000 | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  kevinatwork@... | 07/31/08
WHS Power pack is out  davidhayes | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  bill@... | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  kentech50 | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  Boykin01 | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  Windowns | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  sbf95070 | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  erniem1970@... | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  Chiatzu | 07/31/08
I'm talking about OEM installs here  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/31/08
Vista 64-bit drivers for Dell laptop  rohans | 08/07/08
No drivers. Had to rollback to 32-bit  flash777 | 07/31/08
Its ONLY because the games (aka DX10)  Gradius2 | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  damianq | 07/31/08
Firefox working fine here  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/31/08
firefox fine on 64  eggmanbubbagee@... | 07/31/08
Run Firefox in Compatibility mode  Emilio_z | 07/31/08
More performance  softwareFlunky | 07/31/08
More performance  opcom | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  crbartman@... | 07/31/08
A little help please!  tpeterson@... | 07/31/08
Memory still limited.  Narg | 07/31/08
It's about TIME!!!! WOOHOO!!!!!  Narg | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  jlafitte | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  steffen@... | 07/31/08
Why is it now mainstream? Can you say...Leopard?  3dtodd | 07/31/08
Leopard? give me a break!  Narg | 07/31/08
Look you clearly don't understand the end of that thread.  stevey_d | 07/31/08
Baloney  alaniane@... | 07/31/08
ok genius explain the whole point of the ARM thumb instructions  stevey_d | 07/31/08
I saw your point about  alaniane@... | 07/31/08
Yeah it comes down to what is a 64 bit OS, what is a 32 bit OS  stevey_d | 08/01/08
I can see your point  alaniane@... | 08/01/08
At least on the AMD processors  alaniane@... | 08/01/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  rbentley.slc@... | 07/31/08
RE: Dragon Natural Speaking. Don't need it anymore.  Narg | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  Snarfiorix | 07/31/08
Thanks Ed. Based on your review and these  socialism=nowhere | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  ceh4702 | 07/31/08
What about 16-bit???  Narg | 07/31/08
WoW64 - YES, x86 native - NO  Joe_Raby | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  phatkat | 07/31/08
You can't do that  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/31/08
Fix: Virtual PC...  Narg | 07/31/08
Same Here  bobiroc | 07/31/08
Vista (all versions) gained only 2% marketshare  MrAnalogy@... | 07/31/08
You do realise...  Sleeper Service | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  Joerobyte | 07/31/08
No 64-bit drivers for Linksys print server & Palm Treo phones  Emilio_z | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  batres | 07/31/08
Blame Apple....  Joe_Raby | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  rickhal | 07/31/08
Windows vista 32-Bit vs the 64-bit  rebelxhardcore | 07/31/08
Microsoft's Dynamics SL 7.0 clients won't run  wjk@... | 07/31/08
More love for 64-bit Vista!  pika_chu | 07/31/08
That would be music to software companies ears.  sm1962 | 07/31/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  cfrobw | 07/31/08
It depends  Joe_Raby | 07/31/08
Using 64bit vista bussiness the second year now  Andrej.G. | 08/01/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  johndrayuk@... | 08/01/08
Sony software not working with 64-bit Vista  pcfanboy | 08/01/08
Vista Experience index?  JanJ@... | 08/01/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  TedKraan | 08/01/08
'Pick Me!- Pick Me!'  XweAponX | 08/01/08
I got a similar run around with DELL and HP..  JCitizen | 08/02/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  fuego96@... | 08/02/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream???  maggietoo9 | 08/02/08
I love that this upsets you so much!  NonZealot | 08/02/08
I hear tin foil hats....  Sleeper Service | 08/03/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  lazslo | 08/03/08
i have  cwhull | 08/04/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  mwagner@... | 08/04/08
Not really  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/04/08
Ed, on a similar subject  eggmanbubbagee@... | 08/04/08
64-bit Windows in the nick of time  dswanson2609 | 08/04/08
No one is telling us ...  mwagner@... | 08/05/08
Been running 64 Bit reliably for years.  kc117mx | 08/04/08
Vista 64 Upgrade Advisor  websquad | 08/05/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  ivisuals52 | 08/05/08
64 bit is great!  FordGT | 08/06/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  damianq | 08/07/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  cfischer83@... | 08/09/08
The 64bit version is better  jimk_z | 08/10/08
Yeah, the 64-bit version does run MUCH better  Lerianis | 08/20/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  elvisfan0108 | 08/18/08
Just because something doesn't IMPLICITELY support Vista  Lerianis | 08/20/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  gypsiez | 08/27/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  pmishler | 08/28/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  smllam86@... | 11/07/08
RE: Suddenly, 64-bit Windows is mainstream  xcelguy@... | 09/09/09

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