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September 8th, 2008

Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?

Posted by Ed Bott @ 7:07 am

Categories: Hardware, Microsoft

Tags: PC, Microsoft Corp., Hardware, Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Software, Ed Bott

I really enjoyed watching this recent interview with Microsoft Technical Fellow Mark Russinovich on Microsoft’s TechNet Edge. He covers a wide range of topics, but the one that got my attention is a two-minute snippet near the end, when the interviewer asks whether Mark feels that Microsoft needs to make its own desktop hardware. (If you want to see and hear this discussion for yourself, skip ahead to the 34:03 mark in the video.)

Do you think Microsoft needs to make desktop hardware or certain desktop/server PC hardware?

There’s a lot of discussion about that – not just in the industry but also within Microsoft. Should we be developing the Windows notebook or the Windows desktop? My opinion is that what’s made Windows so successful is the fact that it’s got an ecosystem with partners that are developing software and doing different things with hardware and software. And for us to kind of block all that [pause] innovation – hate to use that word because it’s so overloaded by marketing these days – to block out that playground that people have to do cool things for customers that we can’t think of or don’t have the agility to do, I think, is not the way Windows has gotten successful. I don’t think it’s even the right thing to do now, even in response to what people see as market pressures coming from other people that are doing that. …

[O]ne of the things that you have seen Windows doing over the last couple years is reaching out and working more closely with the hardware partners, with the OEMs, to make sure that the systems they deliver to users provide a good Windows experience, and not one where it’s Windows loaded up with a bunch of junk. And also that the hardware is designed and capable of running Windows the way it should be run and not “Hey, let’s save a few dollars and put in 512 meg of RAM” instead of the couple gig that really make Windows [perform well] … because when you talk about the amount of cost for that these days it’s marginal but the difference in user experience when you look at that is pretty drastic. So, I think that’s the way that we should continue to operate is to have these deeper partnerships with companies to make sure customers do get a great experience.

The fact that these discussions are happening within Microsoft doesn’t surprise me. It’s one of the most obvious responses to Apple’s success, and it’s also in keeping with what Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer wrote in his all-hands memo that was leaked to the press back in July:

In the competition between PCs and Macs, we outsell Apple 30-to-1. But there is no doubt that Apple is thriving. Why? Because they are good at providing an experience that is narrow but complete, while our commitment to choice often comes with some compromises to the end-to-end experience. Today, we’re changing the way we work with hardware vendors to ensure that we can provide complete experiences with absolutely no compromises.

Apple makes a handful of systems using basically the same parts, and they sell the hardware, software, and support as a package. That makes it easy for them to deliver systems that work reliably and can be supported at their stores by technicians with a minimum of training. But it also means that I have limited choices if I want to buy a system running the Mac OS. I can’t buy an Apple-powered tablet, or a small and light notebook (the MacBook Air is thin and light, but it’s not small), or a powerful and expandable small-form-factor desktop. All of those choices are available to me in the PC marketplace, but they come with other tradeoffs, such as crapware and driver hassles.

I’m skeptical that a strategy of “deeper partnerships” with OEMs can really accomplish the goal of providing “complete experiences with absolutely no compromises.” Better communication can make the next generation of PCs better than the current crop, but the nature of these partnerships means that hardware makers have different goals and philosophies and levels of execution. All those engineering meetings take time and cost money, and it takes time for the results to make it into new systems. That’s why it’s tempting to suggest that Microsoft begin manufacturing its own PC hardware. Unfortunately, that would mean Microsoft would have to compete directly with its hardware partners at the retail level and maybe even in enterprise sales. Those hardware partners bring in the majority of Windows revenue by installing Windows on new hardware. I really don’t see any way that Microsoft could work through that conflict successfully or make the risk worth the reward.

But maybe there’s a way around that roadblock. For years, Microsoft has created reference designs for hardware when it introduces a new category. They’re typically done early in an OS development lifecycle, as a way for partners to see what the new technology looks like in operation. At Microsoft-sponsored hardware conferences over the years, I’ve seen reference designs for remote controls, for Media Center devices, for phones, and for home servers. What if Microsoft created reference designs for PC hardware? What if any manufacturer could license and build PCs based on those reference designs? You could have reference designs for notebooks, for desktop PCs, for home theater systems with CableCARD tuners. The reference design would specify not just the hardware, but the software as well, meaning that customers could count on crapware-free installations and easy-to-update drivers. The idea is to build a machine specifically designed for the current version of Windows and, presumably, guaranteed to show off the operating system at its very best, with no compromises. Contract manufacturers could build the systems and make them available to any OEM, large or small, so that even small-town system builders could deliver a product that would compete with the big guys.

With Microsoft one step removed from the process, the existing OEM business model would be preserved. Reviewers would have a chance to compare big-OEM designs against the Microsoft Reference Design so that measurements of OS performance could actually concentrate on the hardware and not become muddled by variables introduced by third-party hardware and software.

Finally, this would give those big OEMs a chance to put up or shut up on their “innovation.” (and yeah, I hate that word too). Is that new Sony notebook faster or slower than the Microsoft Reference Design? Do those HP diagnostic tools improve performance or drag it down? Does Dell’s wireless utility do a better job than the built-in Windows tool? With a standard hardware platform, everyone would have a baseline against which to compare, and the real innovators would stand out

So, what do you think? Would you buy a “designed by Microsoft” PC?

Ed BottEd Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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why not take xbox360 and make a PC based on it?
It's not far away from being a PC after all.
(hard disk, DVD, network, good graphics card).

I think they probably have the reliability sorted now,
so why not?... (Read the rest)
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great so ms make hardware as bad as software  Quebec-french | 09/08/08
Guess you have never bought an MS mouse or keyboard  Been_Done_Before | 09/08/08
I did, and never did again  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/08/08
Sounds like abuse to me.  Been_Done_Before | 09/08/08
Really?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/08/08
Intellipoint Mouse  Your Mom 2.0 | 09/08/08
Mouse Cords  zcly | 09/09/08
I prefer cordless as well  eMJayy | 09/09/08
Wireless Fine for Putzing Around Only!!! wink  i2fun@... | 09/09/08
Evidence shows otherwise  professordnm | 09/08/08
Same story here  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/08/08
Same Here - Trackball Optical  PMC-CON | 09/08/08
5 botton mouse  mietz | 09/09/08
cry baby...  mjc1of5 | 09/09/08
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The other side...  ghost_ghost | 09/11/08
.. that was the old Microsoft.  escapepod | 09/08/08
...sounds like the new Apple  Badgered | 09/08/08
I don't recall Apple denying 3G problems? I mean  James Quinn | 09/08/08
Jim.............................  Badgered | 09/09/08
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lol  Badgered | 09/09/08
Apple usually does take it's time to research a  James Quinn | 09/09/08
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Really?  A.Sinic | 09/08/08
Ding Ding Ding...  jgarrett@... | 09/23/08
What war?  cashaww | 09/08/08
MS Doesnt Make those...  Stuka | 09/08/08
Yes, they do.  MarkKB | 09/09/08
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That's the first button I pluck off  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/10/08
Sounds like a Personal Problem  wellduh | 09/23/08
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He, he !  ghost_ghost | 09/11/08
When don't they lie?  TedKraan | 09/12/08
The intelli-mouse cord problem is well known - I had 3 fail -NT  raycote | 09/08/08
I Agree - Microsoft Used To Make Excellent  Cardhu | 09/09/08
Lost?  zkiwi | 09/09/08
You obviously haven't used their keyboard and mice  USTechHead | 09/08/08
the xbox was great, the controller great, but the halo headset was terrible  stevey_d | 09/09/08
My son has an XBox360 and it's been A-OK..the headset - yeah it's bad...nt  USTechHead | 09/10/08
If you don't like it  Crestview | 09/08/08
Only if it never broke like their software does.  SherryCan | 09/09/08
Maybe if you weren't installing crap...  jgarrett@... | 09/23/08
You're asking the wrong people  Michael Kelly | 09/08/08
slim pickings  graham.lv | 09/09/08
NO  itanalyst2@... | 09/08/08
And let me guess...  Qbt | 09/08/08
Funny - but wasted energy trust me the name is a front - nt  USTechHead | 09/08/08
You made a typo there  A.Sinic | 09/08/08
Questions  rapson | 09/08/08
It would be legal if they did it right. But, it would be suicide anyway.  DonnieBoy | 09/08/08
Why would that matter?  mdemuth | 09/08/08
It is not just a matter of customer preference here. People have to be  DonnieBoy | 09/08/08
Dell Offers Linux - Has Gone Into The Dumper  PMC-CON | 09/08/08
Dell keeps offering more models with Linux. The latest is the Mini 9, which  DonnieBoy | 09/09/08
Logical Fallacy: Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc  bmerc | 09/09/08
Good Questions  chessmen | 09/08/08
Re: regards to Apple's business practices  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/08/08
microsoft sucks!  bendib | 09/08/08
I gave them a chance  tikigawd | 09/10/08
Apple is Consumer Electronics Company  PMC-CON | 09/08/08
Got a chip on your shoulder or something?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/10/08
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First answer I don't know...?  James Quinn | 09/08/08
Why does market share matter  tikigawd | 09/10/08
Market share = time to deal with your crap  wellduh | 09/23/08
MS would just piss off OEMs by competing with them, and make them MORE  DonnieBoy | 09/08/08
It would kill a load of OEMs  deaf_e_kate | 09/08/08
Antitrust issues aside, the OEMs would NOT go quietly.  DonnieBoy | 09/08/08
SO ALL OEMs Must Promote Linux for It To Succeed?  PMC-CON | 09/08/08
Linux will not succeed on the desktop because the market does NOT want it.  bmerc | 09/09/08
Lenovo deal  professordnm | 09/08/08
Never Happen!!! Linux Dominate China Under Communist Party Rule! wink  i2fun@... | 09/09/08
Huh! - "Today no one at IBM uses Windows anything."  USTechHead | 09/10/08
Yeah...Right! Their License lapsed for any new Corporate Installs!  i2fun@... | 09/11/08
Re  ghost_ghost | 09/13/08
Great Blog By Ed Bott  chessmen | 09/08/08
It was a very poor blog. There are ZERO issues with Apple selling hardware  DonnieBoy | 09/08/08
of course  Badgered | 09/08/08
No  frgough | 09/08/08
You are correct  Badgered | 09/08/08
Yes - but time will tell and we will all see pretty soon...nt  USTechHead | 09/08/08
LOL - the "boy" is just that - but that was funny - LOL nt  USTechHead | 09/08/08
Micrsoft may be a defacto monopoly ...  mwagner@... | 09/09/08
10% Market share doesn't solve the issue  Cayble | 09/08/08
"consider if MS packed it in as an OS producer..."  bmerc | 09/09/08
Based on what....  cashaww | 09/08/08
I don't agree  stevey_d | 11/10/08
oops, pressed send before finishing the post...  stevey_d | 11/10/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  MarkLR | 09/08/08
I've always thought that  Michael Kelly | 09/08/08
Ain't gonna happen  frgough | 09/08/08
Then if that's the case  Michael Kelly | 09/08/08
Well said...  cashaww | 09/09/08
With Vista, it was microsoft's fault that PCs didn't run vista well  stevey_d | 11/10/08
Well...Dell is looking to sell its manufacturing business...  IT_Guy_z | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  itinko | 09/08/08
I think the idea is MS designs the inside  Michael Kelly | 09/08/08
Only the OS controlled parts  wellduh | 09/23/08
but then xbox1 was great  stevey_d | 11/10/08
Sure, why not...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 09/08/08
I completely agree with you!  cfischer83@... | 09/08/08
why not take xbox360 and make a PC based on it?  stevey_d | 11/10/08
Sligt modification  Qbt | 09/08/08
the answer is no!  joaolcbarros@... | 09/08/08
No, the don't have the resources.  TripleII | 09/08/08
All they have to so is buy e.g. ASUS  deaf_e_kate | 09/08/08
That would be the end of MS today.  TripleII | 09/08/08
We can hope....  deaf_e_kate | 09/09/08
Could you say...  gstorm_z | 09/10/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  craigh@... | 09/08/08
Microsoft in the PC business ?  lucivero@... | 09/08/08
To the qustion the answer is no, however  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/08/08
No, what MS really needs to do  frgough | 09/08/08
They could do both  Michael Kelly | 09/08/08
Vista already runs on the $299 entry level PC.  ye | 09/08/08
Two things  Michael Kelly | 09/08/08
That low spec computer runs Vista just fine.  ye | 09/08/08
Well then  Michael Kelly | 09/08/08
They already did. They offer Windows XP on such devices. (nt)  ye | 09/08/08
Naw.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/08/08
We know you don't  Michael Kelly | 09/08/08
Microsoft isn't abandoning the market.  ye | 09/08/08
We all know that's just a stopgap solution  Michael Kelly | 09/08/08
Possibly. But UMPCs will increase in capability thus growing...  ye | 09/08/08
You failed to read what was said.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/08/08
Windows Mobile for NetBook?  PMC-CON | 09/08/08
MS could and should get tough about enforcing Windows "ready" ...  bmerc | 09/09/08
With Vista, the sticker problem was Microsoft's fault  stevey_d | 11/10/08
You forgot something  solomonrex | 09/08/08
Penalize OEMs  rjohn05 | 09/08/08
I think they should. I really liked the xbox.  stevey_d | 09/08/08
The prices will be higher as that crapware  GoPower | 09/08/08
There is a dandy of an idea.  gene_fitz@... | 09/08/08
As of late I don't even want software...  bjbrock | 09/08/08
Pfft,  timiteh | 09/08/08
Can't be seriously  TedKraan | 09/11/08
I Agree  Cardhu | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  jeff@... | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  Bryan Price | 09/08/08
The Only Way It Would Work  LakeviewJason | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  sborsher | 09/08/08
bsod  sjbinaz | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  drysound | 09/08/08
They should just buy Dell  sail4evr | 09/08/08
Yeah, Dell will eventually just be a Name...  dunn@... | 09/08/08
No: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  roseman | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  lmenningen | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  Gerryg@... | 09/08/08
I was think something close to this post a day before it became public!  Windows Defender | 09/08/08
First there was IBM PC, now MS PC  Pyrotech_z | 09/08/08
Re: First there was IBM PC, now MS PC  ahumeniy | 09/09/08
Yes, Microsoft should make their own...  3dtodd | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  ltelles@... | 09/08/08
can you say X-Box?  jdieter@... | 09/08/08
Not sure about your facts, but ...  daengbo | 09/08/08
optimization is good  ca1ic0cat | 09/08/08
Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  mwagner@... | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  cashaww | 09/08/08
Vista is a rewrite ...  mwagner@... | 09/09/08
I don't know about being a complete rewrite  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/10/08
This is exactly what Apple does to my brother....  JCitizen | 09/10/08
No one does complete rewrites  wellduh | 09/23/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  rgwarner@... | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  rsomaratne | 09/08/08
Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  krismartin56 | 09/08/08
Computing's Patriot Act  Harry Bardal | 09/08/08
You are only kidding yourself  Crestview | 09/08/08
Of coarse they won't  marks055@... | 09/08/08
Would you buy a "designed by Microsoft" PC?  tracy anne | 09/08/08
Microsoft has better things to pay their lawyers to litigate  readwryt@... | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  Gnomon | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  oldgeeker | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  dswanson2609 | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  gdennisMantissa | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  payton@... | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  j3w2s1 | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  jlmuzzio | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  epistoor@... | 09/08/08
Yes!  Jeremy W | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  artful@... | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  rocketman67 | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  rocketman67 | 09/08/08
Yes, Microsoft should get into the PC hardware business.  DarienHawk67 | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  megawavez@... | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  ashbeestan@... | 09/08/08
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RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  shanedr | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  hawkeye96 | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  perschel@... | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  nightshift1955 | 09/08/08
No: Microsoft should not get into the PC hardware business?  b2e | 09/08/08
firststrike  vilppuu@... | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  djmort@... | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  alaniane@... | 09/08/08
Yes...  GrizzledGeezer | 09/08/08
I've used them all...  my.subscriptions@... | 09/08/08
Windows use  Jeremy W | 09/09/08
You touch indirectly...  GrizzledGeezer | 09/10/08
Hmm  TedKraan | 09/11/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  ethyrdude | 09/08/08
NO WAY Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  doccpu | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  Update victim | 09/08/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  cfhebert@... | 09/08/08
Even 'Designed for Windows' is questionable.  credmedia | 09/08/08
Yes they should  Shinsengumi | 09/08/08
Can you imagine the frustration of waiting for the 1st Service Pack?  David Gale | 09/09/08
My (forlorn?) hope ...  johnfenjackson@... | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  zcly | 09/09/08
No!  colinmeister | 09/09/08
huh?  Badgered | 09/09/08
Re: No!  ahumeniy | 09/09/08
Only if MS uses top quality parts  mietz | 09/09/08
No - Reference Design Is Good Idea  rush@... | 09/09/08
On second thought... Maybe  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  Bifman | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  lostinspace | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  darkmoonman | 09/09/08
A keyboard/mouse blog now?  pamark1 | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  gburke@... | 09/09/08
Full circle??  IT_Critic | 09/09/08
MS Business Strategy  Q'sDad | 09/09/08
MS Business Strategy -- Exactly.  bbneo | 09/09/08
Life is like a box of chocolates  crypt2121 | 09/09/08
my astroturf-o-meter  magallanes | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  Woodyboy | 09/09/08
Get real!  SteveMak | 09/09/08
Yes, just like Intel and nVidia  Speednet | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  Morewines | 09/09/08
No No No No No  GOTBO | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  gienni@... | 09/09/08
Remember the "Vista Compatible" horrors  The Rationalist | 09/09/08
You're confused  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/09/08
re: confused  Badgered | 09/09/08
Agreed  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  rsutton@... | 09/09/08
No.  jwpan | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  ron.connal@... | 09/09/08
Micorsoft should move into any area they can be successful.  sbass@... | 09/09/08
RE: NO NO NO Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  ess@... | 09/09/08
If cloud computing really is the future, then yes.  dkawalec | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  maike@... | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  dfweigel@... | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  DaveFeign | 09/09/08
Microsoft Should Just Die  David Blomstrom | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  dgerard | 09/09/08
hardware bound is the main detriment to OS-X. extreme price is second place  wessonjoe | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  mshukla | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  dch48 | 09/09/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  alxnsc@... | 09/10/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  cliffstark@... | 09/10/08
An excellent ANTI-Linux strategy...  GreyGeek | 09/10/08
The problem  TedKraan | 09/11/08
MS makes PC hardware = crapware embedded into ASICs  muzza2005 | 09/10/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  jlmuzzio | 09/10/08
Ask a poll question  zclayton2 | 09/10/08
The bloggers are all independent  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 09/10/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  Techeads@... | 09/10/08
Would be great but not convenient  emaster70@... | 09/10/08
YES! YES! please...  mikifinaz1@... | 09/10/08
NO WAY.....  carlsf@... | 09/10/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  Woned B. Fooldagan | 09/10/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  BernieLyons | 09/10/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  BernieLyons | 09/10/08
MS should do it  TedKraan | 09/11/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business? Answer: NO!  Bob C User | 09/11/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  ghost_ghost | 09/11/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  txacharm | 09/12/08
Microsoft don't NEED to get into the PC hardware business?  Ole Man | 09/12/08
hmmm  Badgered | 09/17/08
Yeah, but Apple SELLS their computers  Ole Man | 09/19/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  tapcity | 09/13/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  shoechew | 09/13/08
Guarantee OS can talk to baseline HW  wellduh | 09/23/08
RE: Should Microsoft get into the PC hardware business?  wellduh | 09/23/08

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