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July 3rd, 2006

MS: 20% of WGA failures not caused by pirated keys

Posted by Ed Bott @ 4:07 pm

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[Update 18-July-2006: In response to this and other questions, Microsoft has released some numbers about WGA failures. Details in this follow-up post: MS says WGA has caught 60 million cheaters.]

You don’t need to look very hard to find outraged Windows customers who have been branded pirates by Windows Genuine Authentication. And a hefty number of them claim they’re being unfairly targeted, with legitimate Windows copies that are being tagged as stolen or pirated. I’ve heard from several dozen people, and I’ve also seen credible stories posted on Microsoft’s public WGA newsgroups.

Now, via e-mail, comes confirmation from Microsoft that its false positive rate might be unacceptably high. Microsoft’s PR agency apparently e-mailed other tech reporters to try to spike the WGA “kill switch” story I reported on last week. Eric Lai of ComputerWorld got the memo and basically reprinted it with no analysis (Microsoft denies WGA kill switch in Windows XP). But Lai’s story does include one interesting new detail, a statistic that Microsoft confirmed in a follow-up e-mail to me:

Through its spokeswoman, Microsoft said that “80% of all WGA validation failures are due to unauthorized use of leaked or stolen volume license keys.”

Oh, really? Turn that statistic around: Microsoft said that 20% of all Windows users who fail the WGA validation test are not using leaked or stolen keys.

So what is the reason for WGA rejecting the other 20% of Windows licenses? ComputerWorld apparently didn’t ask, so I fired off an e-mail to Microsoft’s PR agency, who passed along a response from Cori Hartje, Director of Microsoft Genuine Software Initiative:

While we will don’t have specifics to share on other forms counterfeit installations, they mostly result from activities such as various forms of tampering and unauthorized OEM installations.

Yes, that’s exactly what they wrote. Besides being woefully ungrammatical, it’s also imprecise. How many are caused by tampering? How many by unauthorized OEM installations? And what exactly are those categories? Note that there’s no admission that some of those failures might be false positives.

Trying to pry answers out of Microsoft is difficult, because they refuse to grant interviews on this subject. And taking one question at a time via e-mail, with a lag time of a day or more between question and answer, is just insulting.

I’ll keep beating on this stone wall for as long as I can stand it.

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RE: MS: 20% of WGA failures not caused by pirated keys
You are an idiot. I do have a ligit copy of Office, it is a company PC, and I am getting the "not genuine" notice when I open Word and so are many other people. I am switching to Macs, OpenOffice, and Linux. Screw M$... (Read the rest)
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And then ...  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/03/06
Enabling thievery!  deleweye | 07/05/06
"Should" has nothing to do with it  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/06
Thievery is not the issue or the problem  Cayble | 07/09/06
Virus activity causes WGA failures  simon89 | 07/04/06
will cause lack of trust even disabling auto-updates  ~doolittle~ | 07/04/06
No, those are not "personally identifiable"  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/04/06
I'm with you...  ju1ce | 07/04/06
You gave the permission  pkrdk | 07/06/06
Who says they're not doing that?  Chad_z | 07/04/06
I'm not taking Microsoft's word on this  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/04/06
If they want to follow the chain of invoices...  ju1ce | 07/04/06
Look again...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/04/06
HDD serial number  Bigfeet | 07/05/06
Don't I seem to remember  JCitizen | 08/03/06
You trust them that much?  donw1234 | 07/04/06
WGA Phones home  mypl8s4u2 | 07/05/06
I'm not taking Microsoft's word on this  uM0p ap!sdn | 07/05/06
And...  pkrdk | 07/06/06
RE: No, those are not "personally identifiable"  barsteward | 07/04/06
.. then we are in trouble  fredsmith6 | 07/04/06
IP Address  jrhcod | 07/05/06
Not personally identifiable  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/05/06
Maybe  mypl8s4u2 | 07/05/06
Good point, mypl8s4u2....  yogeee | 07/05/06
Easy  pkrdk | 07/06/06
Every hear of the RIAA?  ffreeloader | 07/06/06
They are collecting info for the feds  clockmendergb@... | 07/07/06
Not identifiable?  jrhcod | 07/05/06
How?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/05/06
dialup tracking  mypl8s4u2 | 07/05/06
And you need a subpoena to get that info  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/05/06
Now you are getting it....maybe.  TxTopgun | 07/05/06
Maybe, maybe not...  mds_z | 07/05/06
tracking account, not user or machine  mharr | 07/05/06
Maybe I wasn't clear  mypl8s4u2 | 07/06/06
As a matter of fact....  TxTopgun | 07/05/06
Fool  Anonymous1565 | 07/19/06
I Could Care Less  jpgeorgia | 07/05/06
the right to privacy  mypl8s4u2 | 07/05/06
Choice . . .  micjustmic | 07/05/06
Extremely well put!!!  TxTopgun | 07/05/06
Yet it doesn't make a difference.  dave.leigh@... | 07/05/06
really?  catflap@... | 07/06/06
He Couldn't know less  Ole Man | 08/03/06
MSFT uses the MAC address  WiredGuy | 07/05/06
re: MSFT uses the MAC address  astro_z | 07/05/06
re: MSFT uses the MAC address  mharr | 07/05/06
Can you please verify  mypl8s4u2 | 07/06/06
Flawed logic  BasharTeg | 07/04/06
GIve Ed a break  yogeee | 07/04/06
An interesting take.  fredsmith6 | 07/04/06
VERY flawed logic indeed - just plain incompetence  allancrf | 07/05/06
I quoted accurately  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/05/06
Yes, but your conclusion is flawed.  fredsmith6 | 07/05/06
Please take a reading comprehension test  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/05/06
Oh dear ...  fredsmith6 | 07/06/06
VL keys are the only ones that matter  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/06/06
Because he's far more competent than you.  dave.leigh@... | 07/05/06
You're right  glocks out | 08/07/06
I'm on of the 20%  cigpig | 07/04/06
Not on the 20% but also migrating  european | 07/05/06
Corporate Sponcered distros  D-cat | 07/06/06
Same here  mypl8s4u2 | 07/05/06
I was also in 20%...  mharr | 07/05/06
Also in the 20%...  D@... | 07/06/06
Advocacy  Harry Bardal | 07/04/06
I guess almost every machine where crucial hardware  european | 07/05/06
This tripped me  Hsbarney@... | 07/05/06
something smells  magpie_z | 08/03/06
Kill switch  rgcok | 07/05/06
WGA  CPCTech | 07/05/06
Here's your sign!  D@... | 07/06/06
Here's one for you..  magpie_z | 08/03/06
Microsoft and other Giants  perspectives | 07/05/06
There's a hard rain that's gonna fall..  Langalibalene | 07/05/06
lol.. nice!  xstep | 07/05/06
Well ....  fredsmith6 | 07/05/06
Took me awhile too..  xstep | 07/05/06
Try Linux with Wine and...  european | 07/05/06
...lose half your software library!  LowGenius | 07/05/06
Wine does work.  xstep | 07/05/06
I turned back...  LowGenius | 07/05/06
Or run Linux SW on Linux boxes.  pkrdk | 07/07/06
(Ana)logical errors...  LowGenius | 07/16/06
Fool  Anonymous1565 | 07/19/06
Switching to new apps  spamagnet | 07/05/06
Then get acquainted with all NEW apps and gadgets!  dave.leigh@... | 07/05/06
Windows Validation  rxgest@... | 07/05/06
Validation  cdunn7738 | 07/05/06
Well No surprise  hoiatl | 07/05/06
The truth is a hard thing  mrcomputer@... | 07/05/06
Guilty until ... well, guilty, period.  spamagnet | 07/05/06
WGA failures  jimfrost | 07/05/06
Thanks Ed  OldMarine | 07/05/06
An invalid arguement.  Fujikid2 | 07/05/06
how to remove WGA  catflap@... | 07/06/06
False Reporting from Legitimate Versions  montyswan | 07/06/06
WGA worm shows up - Surprise, surprise!  catflap@... | 07/06/06
What kind of story is this?  peter@... | 07/06/06
Oh, there's a story there...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 07/06/06
I knew it was coming  Pazooza | 07/06/06
Leaked or stolen?  Dr_Zinj | 07/06/06
total number?  Eduardo_z | 07/06/06
Maybe my assumptions are wrong?  Fujikid2 | 07/06/06
Yeah right...Ms playing with numbers again  wolf421@... | 07/06/06
20 % false positives.  pkrdk | 07/07/06
WGA Failure  rockhauler@... | 07/07/06
Lack of local admin caused WGA for me  ITTech001 | 07/07/06
Your "Facts" are Misleading!  cnfrisch | 08/08/06
triggered by hardware issue  jwh@... | 08/21/06
validation fake  davolf | 04/29/07
RE: MS: 20% of WGA failures not caused by pirated keys  Goldcds | 09/07/09
RE: MS: 20% of WGA failures not caused by pirated keys  Goldcds | 09/07/09
RE: MS: 20% of WGA failures not caused by pirated keys  Goldcds | 09/07/09
RE: MS: 20% of WGA failures not caused by pirated keys  Goldcds | 09/07/09
RE: MS: 20% of WGA failures not caused by pirated keys  Goldcds | 09/07/09

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