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May 3rd, 2009

How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?

Posted by Ed Bott @ 11:27 am

Categories: Hardware, Windows 7, Windows XP

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Some of the most popular PCs on the market today, equipped with fast and powerful dual- and quad-core CPUs, won’t be able to use the vaunted Windows XP Mode in Windows 7.

When Windows Vista launched, Intel and Microsoft both got a black eye over the infamous “Vista Capable” logo. That sticker was slapped on PCs running some of Intel’s most popular graphics chips, even though they wouldn’t run the new Aero graphics. Microsoft is still battling in court with angry customers (and their lawyers) who felt betrayed by that marketing campaign.

Now, three years later, it appears to be time for the “Vista Capable” sequel. How much positive Windows 7 buzz will be wiped out in coming weeks and months when consumers and business buyers discover that a heavily hyped new Windows 7 feature, XP Mode, won’t work on some Intel-based products? The problem is caused by the Byzantine way Intel packages its CPU technology—adding, removing, and tweaking features like bus speed and cache size to hit the widest variety of price points for PC makers.

The new Windows Virtual PC (now available as a beta release for the Windows 7 Release Candidate) requires hardware-assisted virtualization. For your PC to run XP Mode in Windows 7, the CPU has to support Intel Virtualization Technology (Intel VT) or AMD Virtualization (AMD-V), and this support has to be enabled in the BIOS.

In the case of Intel’s phenomenally confusing product matrix, VT support is added and removed from CPU models for reasons that have more to do with marketing than technology. You can’t necessarily tell from the model number whether VT support is present or not. If you buy a brand-new PC and pick the wrong CPU, Windows Virtual PC won’t be able to host the virtual machine that powers XP Mode. And spending more money can actually hurt you in some configurations.

Here’s a real-world example. Dell’s Vostro 420 is a well-built, no-frills desktop PC designed for the small and medium business market. The screen grab below shows the current lineup of CPUs that you can choose from when you build this system to order at Dell’s website. Four of the six options support Intel VT; I’ve circled the two CPUs that don’t support VT.

If you stay with the entry-level CPU, XP Mode won’t run on this PC. So you decide to upgrade the E7400 to an E8500 for $90. Problem solved! Although both are members of the Core 2 Duo family, the E8500 supports Intel VT, whereas the E7400 doesn’t.

But then you realize that for a measly $40 more you can go from a dual-core processor to the Core 2 Quad Q8200. Great idea! Unless you want to use any of those four CPU cores to run Windows Virtual PC, that is. The Q8200, you see, lacks VT support. For that, you need the Q9400, Q9550, or Q9650.

I had noticed this previously but revisited the topic today after my buddy Dwight Silverman commented, with some surprise, that his desktop PC with a Core 2 Quad Q8200 won’t support XP Mode (“Bummer”), but the Core 2 Duo E6600 in an older Mac does just fine. (“I guess I’ll be upgrading my Boot Camp partition”)

I haven’t looked at Intel’s CPU matrix since last summer, when I was researching which quad-core CPUs had some staying power. I have purchased three PCs with quad-core CPUs since then; thankfully, I avoided the Q8xxx series and went with the Q6600, Q9300, and Q9450, all of which support Intel VT.

This stuff is confusing, though. So, as a public service, I paid a visit to the Intel Processor Spec Finder, where I searched all modern CPU families, desktop and mobile, to see which ones support hardware virtualization. I copied the results to an Excel spreadsheet, created a few PivotTables, and came up with quick reference tables that can help you see at a glance whether your CPU can pass the XP Mode test.

Update: A reader passes along a recent news report that Intel plans to update five of its processors to add VT support: the Core 2 Quad Q8300, Core 2 Duo E7400 and E7500, and Pentium E5300 and E5400 are slated to get the new designs. That figures to make the landscape even more confusing, with some CPUs having VT support or not depending on the revision number.

If you’re curious whether your system has Intel VT support, check out the tables on the following two pages.

Next page: Intel desktop CPUs –>

 

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Table need updating
Your table is wrong on most of the current processors. According to intel
Quad core Q8400 has VT
Core 2 Duo E7500 (most models ) has VT
Pentium Dual core E6300 has VT... (Read the rest)
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Good post  RickyF | 05/03/09
I second the sentiment (nt)  tikigawd | 05/04/09
(nt)  UsersRevil | 06/25/09
This is all great news for VMWare...  BillDem | 05/04/09
Or run a licenced copy of XP ...  de-void | 05/04/09
which means  akulkis | 05/04/09
Or run a licensed copy of XP.  Amaroq | 05/20/09
It looks to me like it has to do with graphics memory.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 05/05/09
That's not graphics memory,  nix_hed | 05/05/09
Does your PC pass or fail? Please share here...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/03/09
Want to do the same post ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/03/09
I wish I had time  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/03/09
Amd X86 Virtualization support..  thetruth_z | 05/03/09
If you'll do the table...  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/03/09
AMD-V  TommyLA | 05/04/09
And the 7750 is selling for about half what the E7400 does. NT  djchandler | 05/04/09
710  TommyLA | 05/04/09
(nt)  UsersRevil | 06/25/09
Just to clarify, you shouldn't say "support virtualization"  daboochmeister | 05/22/09
I have run XP on VirtualBox in Win7  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/22/09
It's both easy and messy ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
And then there's BIOS support  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
When you add BIOS support into the mix ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
Safe to say...  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
@ShadowGIATL ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
@Adrian  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
You are...  fairportfan | 05/05/09
Turned on by default?  peter_erskine@... | 05/04/09
AMD CPU lineup just as confusing  djchandler | 05/04/09
Do the same for AMD CPUs  rMatey | 05/04/09
nope :/  Kruton@... | 05/03/09
My PC info  MGP2 | 05/03/09
Annoyingly, my PC does not.  voyager529 | 05/03/09
Wow! My iMac supports it! grin  ashdude | 05/03/09
But My iMac doe not!  levinson | 05/04/09
i don't get it... i'm running an old p4 with only 512mb ram  brokndodge@... | 05/03/09
Ummm....  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
Microsoft not serious about virtualisation.  peter_erskine@... | 05/04/09
Up to this point...  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
so since win7 license lets you use all previous windows releases  brokndodge@... | 05/04/09
In short... no...  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
Have you ever run anything powerful in a VM?  wolftalamasca | 05/05/09
I play games using VMWare Fusion on Mac OS.  nix_hed | 05/05/09
Nope, it does not pass...BUT...  Master Guru | 05/03/09
Interesting idea  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/03/09
I have a feeling that the people who get the most out of this...  olePigeon | 05/04/09
That's a good point why do we need XP mode?  Randalllind | 05/04/09
People use Windows for other tasks, not just games...  olePigeon | 05/04/09
if your business works fine on XP and not in Win 7 why upgrade?  Randalllind | 05/04/09
security updates going away?  brokndodge@... | 05/04/09
You can add Visual Studio 2003 (and probably earlier)  alaniane@... | 05/04/09
VS 6 Works  jgsilva@... | 05/04/09
Be careful with drivers  Techref6060 | 05/11/09
I second that  fairportfan | 05/05/09
My Dell XPS420 will  technogran | 05/03/09
Gateway GT5628 Q6600 Supports VT (nt)  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
What the hell does (nt) mean?  UsersRevil | 06/25/09
None of mine support it  Breetai | 05/04/09
Never EVER buy a weak CPU.  Narg | 05/04/09
Did you read the piece?  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
I don't think there is a work around for me.  Northlite | 05/04/09
RE:Never EVER buy a weak CPU.  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
Buy cheap - get cheap  Techref6060 | 05/11/09
Yeah! Cause no-one ever has a budget...  UsersRevil | 06/25/09
Thinkpad and Dell  japrovo88 | 05/04/09
Question on XEON  rhomp2002@... | 05/04/09
I had the same question...  October16 | 05/05/09
2 out of 3 ain't bad -- nor is it good  mws1977 | 05/04/09
all passed  rbslack@... | 05/04/09
oh i almost forgot  rbslack@... | 05/04/09
Funny enough...  Stuka | 05/04/09
Pass  kelliann | 05/04/09
Two pass, one fail  WxDude | 05/04/09
Definitely fails and I bought it only a few short months ago  cynthia.wells@... | 05/04/09
Passes  pico_D | 05/05/09
1 of 2 pass  Bobeca | 05/05/09
well...  crabbypup | 05/05/09
4 pc all have VT tech  GScully | 05/05/09
VT? I don't know what it is, but it could be useful! I'll buy it!  TrackStar1682 | 05/12/09
Microsoft is betting No one but Geeks will download XP mode  Randalllind | 05/03/09
Given XP Mode is only available for Professional, Enterprise and Ulitmate  Wolfie2K3 | 05/03/09
XP Mode  nix_hed | 05/05/09
non-geeks will - schools and business  dgrainge | 05/04/09
Every mom and grandmom are potentials for this ...  finnmaccool | 05/05/09
Thanks  npiaseck | 05/03/09
Commiseration  Harry Bardal | 05/03/09
Yawn  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/03/09
Being sleepy and dozy explains a lot  MacCanuck | 05/04/09
never confuse Harry's ....  ShadeTree | 05/04/09
Really...  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
I was actually going to take your advice and move on Shadow...  914four | 05/04/09
Eh...  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
NT was not based on NeXT  914four | 05/05/09
@914  ShadowGIATL | 05/06/09
@ShadowGRATE  914four | 05/06/09
@914  ShadowGIATL | 05/06/09
You must be a politician....  914four | 05/07/09
@914  ShadowGIATL | 05/07/09
Sorry, but no,  nfhiggs@... | 05/04/09
The really funny thing  LiquidLearner | 05/05/09
I'm with you!  nfhiggs@... | 05/04/09
thats why your running windows... continue to read harry's prose  brokndodge@... | 05/04/09
Ahh, I see  nfhiggs@... | 05/05/09
Breakdown  Harry Bardal | 05/06/09
It would be shorter to say...  ShadowGIATL | 05/06/09
Good enough for 'fix it' culture  Len Rooney | 05/06/09
@rooney  ShadowGIATL | 05/08/09
well said... nt  brokndodge@... | 05/03/09
Ah, Harry, if there's one thing you continue to do well  John Zern | 05/03/09
You are right about Windows 7 being better ...  ShadeTree | 05/04/09
HAHA,  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 05/04/09
Too much time on your hands, Harry  djchandler | 05/04/09
No Feedback  Harry Bardal | 05/04/09
Words  jaypeg | 05/04/09
LOL, you guys are funny.  nfhiggs@... | 05/06/09
'single user experience'  jaypeg | 05/06/09
i think that might be more of a dig at ed than harry. nt  brokndodge@... | 05/04/09
I'm shocked, SHOCKED.  kozmcrae | 05/03/09
Hey when your getting ready to deliver a rock solid OS that negates  bka1959 | 05/03/09
"your" what?  ksalzberg@... | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  lycilius | 05/03/09
Yes, for a PC you own  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/03/09
Different way to tell?  Ed BurnetteZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
Look in the BIOS  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
Alternatively ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
Yes and no...  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
you couldn't make this stuff up.  gertruded | 05/03/09
Sure. And if you'd care to explain...  cgdams | 05/04/09
Makes sense to me  flhtc | 05/04/09
Well, I just had a flashback...  914four | 05/04/09
It has something to do with MS...  fairportfan | 05/05/09
But this time its incompetence, not greed.  peter_erskine@... | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  yagijd | 05/03/09
wow hadn't thought of that one  marks055@... | 05/03/09
That's what is bizarre  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/03/09
And then there's the BIOS...  TriangleDoor | 05/04/09
Bizarre or planned?  stroutner@... | 05/04/09
If you really need XPM ...  ThinkFairer | 05/03/09
 Grayson Peddie | 05/04/09
Link error on page 2...  cgdams | 05/04/09
Fixed  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
Why doesn't Microsoft just give up on Vista and release an updated XP?  stevey_d | 05/04/09
HOw do you measure success, with eyes closed?  Master Guru | 05/04/09
perhaps by listening to shareholders and looking at microsoft results?  stevey_d | 05/04/09
More Humor!  Master Guru | 05/04/09
all the answers  gertruded | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  bahamude | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  Gis Bun | 05/04/09
XP Mode  anonymuos | 05/04/09
Hardware virtualization nothing new  gwd3@... | 05/04/09
Fine for enterprises  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
So why tie it to VT support?  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 05/05/09
Please add Atom, Xeon, and AMD  Ed BurnetteZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
Ed...  ShadowGIATL | 05/06/09
Atom Processors, and future list.  ShadowGIATL | 05/07/09
The real question is will anybody care.  ShadeTree | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  gwbarnett1@... | 05/04/09
Don't really see blaming M$ for this one.  gertruded | 05/04/09
Why do you think it's an optional component?  croberts | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  Pyrotech_z | 05/04/09
Good article about bad VT software support. happy  Solid Water | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  michael@... | 05/04/09
Save your money:  softwareFlunky | 05/04/09
You are joking right? [NT]  JT82 | 05/04/09
My Core 2 Duo Doesn't Pass-Next Stop: Mac  NJSteveK | 05/04/09
Er...  Mike (not Cox) | 05/04/09
Drivers  NJSteveK | 05/04/09
You are right there  Northlite | 05/04/09
Actually...  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
Blame Belkin for their shoddy drivers  BrewmanNH | 05/05/09
I have to agree with...  fairportfan | 05/05/09
Most will not need XP Mode or VT  cornpie | 05/05/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  jpwalters_z | 05/04/09
Many vertical apps fail on Vista/7  epobirs | 05/04/09
That Q6600 ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
I'm quite fond of my Q6600  ShadowGIATL | 05/04/09
WinSXS  gregzdnet | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  rs4341@... | 05/04/09
I find the price requirements funny.  Amaroq | 05/04/09
You were right when you said it was a marketing decision.  gertruded | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  epobirs | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  epobirs | 05/04/09
How many Intel cpus does it take to change a light bulb ?  magallanes | 05/04/09
Windows 7 Success Install last night.  pcguy777 | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  vger_z | 05/04/09
for the 100th time  gnesterenko | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  John McElhenney | 05/04/09
How about the Intel Xeon 2xDual Core 2.66Ghz  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  keithsheehan@... | 05/04/09
How about AMD?  dazlin@... | 05/04/09
Easier way....  Stuka | 05/04/09
Way off  rbslack@... | 05/04/09
Ed - Please answer this question, thanks.  Smart_Neuron | 05/04/09
For the most part~  xXSpeedzXx | 05/04/09
"Virtual PC" and "Virtualization Hardware"??  InspectorGadget | 05/04/09
speed and resources  Clewin | 05/04/09
A bit dramatic...  ShadowGIATL | 05/08/09
Who cares?  twirth5@... | 05/04/09
How to identify Intel CPU?  Masari.Jones | 05/04/09
RE: How to identify Intel CPU?  broerkie | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  stdo57@... | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  PorscheRacer14 | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  scouser73 | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  nair.ritesh@... | 05/04/09
The computer industry is inept  BALTHOR | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  gvincent@... | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  charlieg1 | 05/04/09
proper drivers again?  gertruded | 05/04/09
Or since  Northlite | 05/04/09
it's being done from and Mac (sic)  gertruded | 05/04/09
Oh don't feel bad...  ShadowGIATL | 05/08/09
XP Mode Getting an "F" grade  ep-man | 05/04/09
Still a beta  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  DonBurnett | 05/04/09
Classic problem with PCs and Microsoft's latest adds  GoPower | 05/04/09
Every new chip should have VT support  Randalllind | 05/04/09
What about the Intel Quad-Core Xeon that are used in the Mac Pro?  uri@... | 05/04/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  JOHN_TUOHY | 05/05/09
I am sure Adrian is working on building a Machine that does XP Mode article  Randalllind | 05/05/09
So, we have Microsoft in the cross hairs again because of Intel..........  payton@... | 05/05/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  brulu | 05/05/09
Quite frankly, who cares?  The Mad Hatter | 05/05/09
E7400  Yeartenn | 05/06/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  girishkorgaonkar | 05/06/09
So much easier to just switch to Linux...  xunil skcor | 05/06/09
You should be a pitch man...  ShadowGIATL | 05/06/09
Urm, NO! I'm USING MS Virtual PC 2007 WITHOUT HARDWARE SUPPORT. Works!  matthew_of_cambridge | 05/08/09
Different version  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 05/08/09
If no XP Mode support, Virtual PC XP will work  rick_gocougs@... | 08/26/09
Sony VAIO P  ugly40man | 05/12/09
How many core will be available in the Virtual PC  colinmaharaj@... | 05/15/09
Hyper-V does support Multi Core VMs  rick_gocougs@... | 08/26/09
Not only XPM also all VPC/VHD support affects  ulwen | 06/01/09
Create Virtual machine in Win7  rick_gocougs@... | 08/26/09
RE: How many Intel CPUs will fail the XP Mode test in Windows 7?  intotheapex@... | 10/30/09
Table need updating  abcd.com.au | 12/07/09

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