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October 3rd, 2009

When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society

Posted by Tom Foremski @ 11:44 am

Categories: Business strategy

Tags: Ticketmaster Corp., Taxes, Free Trade, Personal Finance, Financial Planning, Finance, Tom Foremski

My daughter Sarah asked me to buy a ticket for her for a music event at a San Francisco venue. The ticket was $13.50 but I ended up feeling I’d been mugged by Ticketmaster because by check out time I had paid more than $26.

I’m used to the outrageous fees that Ticketmaster levies but they snuck one up on me that was hidden. In addition to a facility charge of $1.50 and the convenience charge of $5.90, there was a hidden order processing fee of $5.40! Total cost was $26.30!

And it could easily have been more, I could have chosen to print out the ticket for a fee of $2 instead of the “free” will call option. I could also have chosen insurance for my ticket, and other options that would have taken the price closer to $30. That’s for a $13.50 ticket!

What value has Ticketmaster provided?!

Did Ticketmaster rehearse in a garage for years so that they could play live at large San Francisco venue? Did Ticketmaster hire the venue staff and deal with the serious logisitcs of thousands of people and the safety requirements?

No, Ticketmaster’s added value was to serve up a web page and process a payment. Visa and Mastercard do that all day long for a 4 percent cut. But Ticketmaster takes nearly 100 per cent of the sales price. For what?



This is an over-the-top tax on culture from a greedy corporation that has bought monopoly rights to tens of thousands of venues. Why isn’t this a DOJ or FTC monopoly investigation?

It should be illegal to buy monopoly rights to tickets at events. If Ticketmaster believes it offers fair value then let’s open up the access and see if it can compete on its own merits. It won’t because it knows it can’t.

This is a tax on culture, it cuts down on live performances and on people getting together. My daughter is 15 and she can afford a $13.50 ticket but when it gets inflated to $26.30, she can’t and that means the artists lose out too.

Ticketmaster imposes an unfair tax on our culture by making it more expensive to attend cultural events. This is not good for our society.

If I can help it I will never buy from Ticketmaster again and I urge the FTC to block future and present acquisitions such as with Live Nation. And I urge others not to invest in Ticketmaster or any of the funds that invest in Ticketmaster [TKTM]. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=TKTM

UPDATE: Thanks for everyone’s comments. I’ve also received quite a few emails on this topic - you can read some of them here.


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RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society
Well I am not a big fan of ticketmaster either, never used their services, my employer is very cautious about siging up a deal thru places offering web services, and misc charges that would discourage... (Read the rest)
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WOW, I had no idea it was that bad  RickB9 | 10/03/09
Actually, worse ...  nottheusual1 | 10/05/09
This is exactly why monopolies are bad.,,,  Basic Logic | 10/03/09
Same here...  TucsonGuy | 10/03/09
Charging to print your own tickets...  foremskiZDNet Moderator | 10/03/09
Even if regular priced ticket's aren't available  jctcom | 10/05/09
Shipping  ferricoxide | 10/05/09
Same ol'  johnfenjackson@... | 10/04/09
Mastercard and Visa...  foremskiZDNet Moderator | 10/04/09
Liability  ferricoxide | 10/05/09
Best to leave Visa out of this discussion  NEJim | 10/05/09
Competion with Visa/MC  owner@... | 10/05/09
Not sure this is really news  bobtran | 10/04/09
ann another coloradian being ticketraped....  ivanotter | 10/07/09
It may be a steep price - but it's not a tax.  CobraA1 | 10/04/09
You are right...  foremskiZDNet Moderator | 10/04/09
It's more like emotionally charged language.  CobraA1 | 10/04/09
Maybe, but it is accurate  rickmstern | 10/05/09
I read "tax" as intended by the author...  jhughs | 10/05/09
Red Herring  portetl | 10/05/09
re: red Herring  owner@... | 10/05/09
Not only clear, but accurate.  Dr. John | 10/05/09
the meaning is clear ...  jongunn@... | 10/05/09
re: You are right  owner@... | 10/05/09
What a load of BS !!  Stan57 | 10/08/09
Taxes may be good. These charges are not.  rarsa | 10/08/09
Actually, No  ferricoxide | 10/05/09
Try a better instructor  lobert | 10/05/09
Sheep  agrussner | 10/05/09
They just don't get it...(sigh)  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 10/05/09
You too are misinformed  Dr. John | 10/05/09
Quite eloquently put  jongunn@... | 10/05/09
What?  Eleutherios | 10/05/09
Wrong...  ivanotter | 10/07/09
Agreed  Mark Zivin | 10/05/09
You too.  Dr. John | 10/05/09
Very True  jmgroft@... | 10/06/09
It is a tax  Dr. John | 10/05/09
agreed  jongunn@... | 10/05/09
The Term "Tax" predates Government  Reality Bites | 10/05/09
Tax - it is an old usage, but it is correct  barewd | 10/06/09
Perhaps if you explained how TicketMaster could provide services for free?  Vesicant | 10/04/09
No one said...  seal@... | 10/05/09
Perhaps if you explained how TicketMaster could provide services for free?  phleroy | 10/05/09
Not Free At Door  ferricoxide | 10/05/09
Is it cheaper to pay people in booths handing out hundreds of tickets each  invmgr@... | 10/05/09
My apologies, that is $5.90 convenience $5.40 hidden.  invmgr@... | 10/05/09
....that comes out to $515,000  sfaid | 10/05/09
Do The Arithmetic  Cardhu | 10/05/09
can't "take our business elsewhere"  mxevans | 10/06/09
How about an example of a venue that handles their own?  jvitous | 10/05/09
Columbus symphony does their own tickets..  frank@... | 10/07/09
I wont get too worked up over your post  jongunn@... | 10/05/09
The cost to TicketMaster is not the issue  mxevans | 10/06/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  carold@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  schapman@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  Mythos7 | 10/05/09
Oops  Mythos7 | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  cornelius.edward@... | 10/05/09
Shopping in person is not always an option  Tank252ca | 10/05/09
what about venues that use Ticketmaster  bobzaguy | 10/05/09
Shopping In Person NOT an option!  cjhanlon@... | 10/09/09
I said no to Ticketbastard years ago  tikigawd | 10/05/09
saying NO  meanoldmom | 10/05/09
It might depend  tikigawd | 10/06/09
Just Say No....  owner@... | 10/05/09
I think it's a combined effort  tikigawd | 10/06/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  barcodeuk | 10/05/09
It's nothing more than Scalping!  bws605 | 10/05/09
re:It's nothing more than Scalping!  owner@... | 10/05/09
This reminds me  jongunn@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  susieboomer | 10/05/09
maybe, but not to the shows we want to see  TechTeach_z | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  BillyRave | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  sing4you | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  TAPhilo | 10/05/09
This will end up in court sooner or later.  invmgr@... | 10/05/09
The reign of evil  charley cross | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  rpearson62@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  sanderson@... | 10/05/09
Pearl Jam  homant@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  mlmccauley | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  igam | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  tbourke3@... | 10/05/09
The problem with your rant  balsover | 10/05/09
Hold on...  ZeroSignal | 10/05/09
Sneaky...  TLI | 10/05/09
The problem with your problem  dustyphoto@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  mlees123 | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  drbruce2@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  paul.oconnor@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  cygnus2112@... | 10/05/09
Why do you think they call themselves TicketMASTER, slave?  DamnCat | 10/05/09
I just won't buy tickets on Ticketmaster  HardShell54 | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  jjbtech | 10/05/09
RE: Agreed.. but a trip to the Box Office is usually a cheaper option.  jjbtech | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  mbroadh2o | 10/05/09
Oh gee.. ya think?  mhbowman@... | 10/05/09
Not only the consumer is getting jacked.  richard233 | 10/05/09
So I just don't get to go see....  jctcom | 10/05/09
your attitude is PRECISELY why things are the way they are  jmelnik | 10/05/09
Actually I am in Canada so  jctcom | 10/05/09
No wonder you kept the queen  jongunn@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  aloisonline@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  tarabonner | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  hipposelect | 10/05/09
Organized Crime: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture  mbroadh2o | 10/05/09
Musicians please boycott Ticketmaster!!!  jctcom | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  jrm701@... | 10/05/09
harms society?  bobzaguy | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  camper@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  jbfleischauer@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  drbruce2@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  mbroadh2o | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it  Woodlands | 10/05/09
TM cost  meanoldmom | 10/05/09
Legal Mugging  ferricoxide | 10/05/09
I normally side with business, but this is nuts!!!  MichaelWells | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  EllenRChance | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  donrull | 10/05/09
Most banks provides similar services for free  ianalyzrisq@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  swcook6 | 10/05/09
I don't reward greed (from anyone, not just TicketMaster)  Sheldon@... | 10/05/09
Ticketmaster has been a rip off since inception  ca1ic0cat | 10/05/09
Open APIs and Payment Options Should Rule  John Westra | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  mflanery | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  rrrowell | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  tbanks204 | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  fspevak@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  tobiasbeckwith | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  shanparker | 10/05/09
Oh Boo Hoo  MrLucasBrice | 10/05/09
direct purchase  meanoldmom | 10/05/09
Re: Oh Boo Hoo - You've Missed the Point  brose@... | 10/05/09
Your uninformed defense of the price gouging  WAB6 | 10/05/09
RE - Oh Boo Hoo - Buy tix at venue "weenie"  cjhanlon@... | 10/09/09
We are the problem!!  wrbirp | 10/05/09
isn't a monopoly a monopoly?  jmelnik | 10/05/09
monopoly? maybe cartel.  DaemonSlayer | 10/07/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  WAB6 | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  shgoldenpe@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  gbohrn | 10/05/09
Where on earth were all of when ...  brose@... | 10/05/09
Ever hear of Pearl Jam?  dmills59 | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  equiners | 10/05/09
Here's a good idea...  BigStrat | 10/05/09
Zepplin? Elvis!  oldbaritone | 10/06/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  tj76@... | 10/05/09
Lets Organize: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  mbroadh2o | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  wrightii@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  wrightii@... | 10/05/09
Prices rise relative to demand  jpmorgenthal | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  jongunn@... | 10/05/09
It's daylight robbery. Somebody take ticketmaster to court  james.faction | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it  Masari.Jones | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  pedroagalvez@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  david-burgess | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  1dedkitty@... | 10/05/09
Hey, Rumpelstiltskin!  economy1 | 10/05/09
Pirates of the Ticketing: Awful extra charges.  javier.andres.lopez | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  ParkRat | 10/05/09
Good Information  Bob C User | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  oligodude@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  len@... | 10/05/09
Good Point  Bob C User | 10/05/09
Waste of time...  thebrenthaines@... | 10/05/09
As were your comments ...  Bob C User | 10/05/09
You miss the point  wrbirp | 10/05/09
wrong  DaemonSlayer | 10/07/09
Even another Ticketmaster rip-off...  BigStrat | 10/05/09
Sometimes there are alternatives  howiew@... | 10/05/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  schierer@... | 10/05/09
Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  billfranke@... | 10/05/09
Well Spoken  wrbirp | 10/05/09
Confused?  Bob C User | 10/06/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  lindak94546@... | 10/05/09
Stop buying tickets from Ticketmaster! I did!  8string | 10/05/09
And..  woofa | 10/05/09
Pearl Jam  oldbaritone | 10/06/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  junemarkham@... | 10/06/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  junemarkham@... | 10/06/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  bjblackmore | 10/06/09
Scalping is scalping  oldbaritone | 10/06/09
This is free enterprise  Altotus | 10/07/09
Done!!  sheevalazar | 10/06/09
So don't buy!  Hans Schmidt | 10/06/09
Scalping????  hanamc@... | 10/06/09
re: Scalping????  brose@... | 10/06/09
Ticketmaster has been rigging the system  mustangj36@... | 10/06/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  wcruickshank@... | 10/06/09
Ticketmaster's outrageous extortion of society  djchandler | 10/06/09
Free enterprise at its finast  Altotus | 10/07/09
You think its just tickets?  Altotus | 10/07/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  ivanotter | 10/07/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  danny.sulkin@... | 10/07/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  John13busa | 10/07/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  Rwool | 10/07/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  frank@... | 10/07/09
When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  brambeus | 10/07/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  cjhanlon@... | 10/09/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  maximillion_eldorado@... | 10/09/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  dobberdobber | 10/09/09
RE: When web services go bad: Ticketmaster's outrageous tax on culture - it harms society  mark.holman@... | 10/11/09

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