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February 15th, 2008

NetSuite's numbers are not what they appear

Posted by Dennis Howlett @ 12:18 pm

Categories: saas

Tags: NetSuite Inc., Zach Nelson, Construction, Financial Accounting, Finance, Dennis Howlett

During yesterday’s earnings call, I was struck by the way CEO Zach Nelson got an easy ride from the Wall Street folk. Today, Jason Carter dropped a bomb which the financial folk should have spotted:

Over the last 5 years this company has lost more customers than it has been able to add.

This is one of those things that just failed to register the first time I saw it. In scanning the company’s S-1 filing with the SEC there is a note that the customer base was “over 5,400″. That should have caught my eye. It didn’t. But today, reading the earnings press release I saw the company added 432 customers during Q4, bringing the customer to “over 5,600″. Interesting. I would not have expected it to be 5,832 as there has to be some churn in this business. But what does it say when your rate of churn is about half of your customer add rate?

As I said at the end of my reporting on the call, no=one challenged Nelson on problems I’ve identified in the customer base. I then checked Jason’s assertions. He’s correct. This from a press release dated March 27, 2003:

As a result of his [Nelson's] leadership, NetLedger’s revenues have grown five-fold; workforce has doubled; and the company has reached the unprecedented 6,000-customer milestone

This from fellow Irregular Jason Wood’s notes on the S1:

They have no redundancy which astounds me when you consider the company has 5,300 customers and $67mm in 2006 revenues and runs a utility computing model

During the call, Nelson made a point of talking about the effort being put into upselling into the customer base. Given the churn which Jason Carter has identified I’m not surprised. It also lends weight to disquiet about the extent to which NetSuite prices have risen over the last few years.

Paying attention to top line earnings is only one metric and of course it is the one Wall Street clamors over. In the on-demand world, you have to continue to grow the customer base in real terms. It seems that in NetSuite’s case, the customer base is not growing as rapidly as they are leading us to believe. Given that Nelson stated the expected customer additions on a quarter by quarter basis are expected to be in the range 300-500, you can be sure this is a metric that will be revisited.

UPDATE: I subsequently spoke with Craig Sullivan, NetSuite’s VP International, who pointed out that in 2003, the company was focused on the SMB market and directly competing with the likes of QuickBooks. He also said that as the company developed the suite, prices increased and that some customers went away as the offering was more than they needed.

That still doesn’t answer the question of what happened between the S1 filing in July, 2007 and the latest release to which he said he would return an answer ‘within the hour.’ Instead of which I received a personal attack on me based upon inaccuracies coupled with an obfuscation of NetSuite’s own definition of customers. In my experience it never serves a company well to attack the messenger and fail to explain its own statements. As at this time I am still awaiting a cogent response to the questions raised. (See the Talkbacks on this post)

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RE: NetSuite's numbers are not what they appear
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Posted by: sammy0903 Posted on: 03/22/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Official response from NetSuite to inaccurately cited customer data  rmathur@... | 02/15/08
Author's Disclosure  michael@... | 02/15/08
so why does NetSuite proudly,,,  vmirchan | 02/15/08
You comment makes Zero sense.  bigfin | 02/15/08
and dennis has incentive to sully his brand?  vmirchan | 02/15/08
Inaccurate in what way?  Jason Wood | 02/15/08
Inaccurate in that a "new" customer does not equal an "active" customer  bigfin | 02/15/08
How long does it take for a customer to be active  Jason Wood | 02/16/08
netsuite - not good!!  inquiries@... | 02/16/08
Let's be clear  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 02/16/08
Is your product superior...  bjbrock | 02/16/08
NetSuite  risrach@... | 02/28/08
Take a look at Intacct - www.intacct.com  ddruker@... | 03/04/08
RE: NetSuite's numbers are not what they appear  bigfin | 02/15/08
Orignal source of data is a Microsoft reseller  bigfin | 02/15/08
ummm  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 02/15/08
Ummmm  bigfin | 02/15/08
Hello from the igloo  Jason-C | 02/16/08
Your affiliations?  mkrigsman@...ZDNet Moderator | 02/16/08
Not true  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 02/16/08
More clarification  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 02/16/08
reality  software.reality@... | 02/16/08
reality  Jason-C | 02/18/08
Reality  Jason-C | 02/18/08
reality  software.reality@... | 02/18/08
Shhhhhhhh!  steveballmar@... | 02/16/08
Dennis Howlett is a smear artist  boddikake@... | 02/16/08
Bloggers are not reporters.  bjbrock | 02/17/08
Really?  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 02/17/08
Answer the questions, Mr. Howlett  qwerty666@... | 02/17/08
All very interesting, but ...  terry flores | 02/17/08
Hosted services are on their way out.  bjbrock | 02/17/08
Outsourcing?  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 02/17/08
When my old company outsourced to HP, we checked  terry flores | 02/17/08
This is about NetSuite not Dennis -- small businesses beware  PigInAPoke | 04/14/08
RE: NetSuite's numbers are not what they appear  mvolpe@... | 02/19/08
Costs are just out of line ...  terry flores | 02/19/08
NetSuite competitors for SMBs?  alexeig | 03/04/08
NetSuite competitors for SMBs  ddruker@... | 03/04/08
RE: NetSuite's numbers are not what they appear  piyush_bakshi@... | 03/01/08
done well?  alexeig | 03/04/08
RE: NetSuite's numbers are not what they appear  sammy0903 | 03/22/09

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