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March 22nd, 2008

Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?

Posted by Dennis Howlett @ 6:02 pm

Categories: Enterprise applications

Tags: Apple Safari, Mozilla Corp., Web Browsers, Performance Management, Digital Music, Digital Media, Internet, Human Resources, Workforce Management, Personal Technology

The kerfuffle over Apple’s decision to include the Safari 3.1 ‘update’ with an iTunes update installer for Windows made me smile. John Lilly, CEO Mozilla Foundation Corp. seems outraged at Apple’s decision. It only adds to the hilarity. Why? In enterprise land, neither browser is likely to be the number one choice down at the PC/laptop image factory. Not even close. Check the stats at W3schools to see what I mean. Mozilla comes in at a miniscule 1.1% 36% while Safari has just hit the 2% mark.

If you’re one of those people that isn’t beholden to IT lock down then Tom Krazit’s headline advice is right on the money. But I’d go further.

What does Mozilla fear? It’s not as if Mozilla Foundation has a market share worth defending except when they’re acting as a Firefox proxy. Even then I’d say compete on your product not by bitching and badmouthing a competitor who, according to Krazit:

Apple made Safari 3.1 a standalone update option, so you can choose to uncheck the box next to the title and download just the iTunes updates. The company tells you exactly what you’re downloading, and offers a link to its site for more information.

It seems to me that in scaremongering on the topic in this manner, Lilly is making not one, but three cardinal errors:
1. Badmouthing the competition (while he claims otherwise)
2. Assuming that users are idiots (of course no-one reads the screens, doh!)
3. Denying choice (something that Mozilla has been eager to foster in the past)

And while I’m in Mozilla flame mode, exactly when will Firefox stop leaking memory like a sieve by default and routinely bringing my machine to a grinding halt? That would be a much better story in my opinion because right now I’d prefer to use Safari, short though it may be on all those Firefox plug-ins, add-ons and themes. Why? Because in enterprise land, performance matters, not all the bells and whistles.

Update: I need to straighten a couple of things out. First up, John Lilly is CEO, Mozilla Corp and not Mozilla Foundation. Second, while the fact I quoted re: Mozilla share is as per the W3Schools figures, Firefox, which Lilly represents, has around a 36% share. My bad. Corrections outlined in the body of the copy.

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Agree with your main point but....  davidcorley@... | 03/22/08
This story is a load of rubbish  mark@... | 03/22/08
Ahem...which facts are you referring to?  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/23/08
Statistics damn statistics  davidcorley@... | 03/23/08
The facts you dismiss...  Mitch 74 | 03/24/08
Yes...  danmarce | 03/24/08
Didja Look At Apple Updater Tools Menu?  PMC-CON | 03/24/08
Actually just off our stats  Paul Fletcher | 03/24/08
hmmm hmmm  Mike (not Cox) | 03/24/08
Getting the facts straight  AySz88 | 03/22/08
If I were an iTunes user...  MGP2 | 03/22/08
That's what I said so...  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
Really? Where?  MGP2 | 03/22/08
Go read  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
Actually....  MGP2 | 03/23/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  borndead | 03/22/08
Yes but....  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
I've taken a look at Safari 3.1 for Windows...  D. T. Schmitz | 03/22/08
Most common comment of safari on windows:  rtk | 03/22/08
Correction...  Sysadm1n | 03/23/08
Exactly...  Mike (not Cox) | 03/23/08
Not true.....  Paul Fletcher | 03/24/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  Bob_DaBoob | 03/22/08
Denying reality?  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/23/08
Firefox == Mozilla  CobraA1 | 03/22/08
Really?  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
Yes, here's the quote...  AySz88 | 03/22/08
in which case....  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
"Mozilla comes in at a miniscule 1.1%" (nt)  CobraA1 | 03/23/08
. . . and I think you fixed it  CobraA1 | 03/23/08
. . . although it isn't really fixed . . .  CobraA1 | 03/23/08
spelling correction . . .  CobraA1 | 03/23/08
Not finding that to be the case  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/23/08
On target...  groovyd | 03/22/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  Zoli Erdos | 03/22/08
No  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
Question to author  zeropash | 03/22/08
Depends...  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
What ?  sacskier22 | 03/22/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  pablo Dante | 03/22/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  jcolon@... | 03/22/08
Excuse me?  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  kakman1@... | 03/22/08
Author of this story has facts wrong  sacskier22 | 03/22/08
Really  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
Your link to stats prove you wrong  sacskier22 | 03/22/08
Why are you defending your misleading story?  sacskier22 | 03/22/08
ah...hem  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
W3schools stats prove author's facts are inaccurate  sacskier22 | 03/22/08
Dave, You Are Too Ignorant to Write A PROMOTED Blog  PMC-CON | 03/24/08
Mozilla is Firefox  sacskier22 | 03/22/08
Respectable  daviddorward | 03/23/08
Safari is awful  osreinstall | 03/22/08
Great but...  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
You can also enter it in about:config  osreinstall | 03/22/08
Thanks but...  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/23/08
Befriend someone to do it for you.  osreinstall | 03/23/08
you need to get out more  Paul Fletcher | 03/24/08
Another poser.  osreinstall | 03/24/08
Look mah, I'm an MCP  Sysadm1n | 03/24/08
Actually I am an MCP...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/24/08
Do your homework  Greenknight_z | 03/27/08
Not Educated Amateur, Just the Latter (NT)  PMC-CON | 03/24/08
So if same point is raised by Apple against Microsoft ?  null | 03/22/08
Ahem  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/22/08
what would make you believe  rtk | 03/22/08
ahem?  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/23/08
Point to the story ?  sacskier22 | 03/23/08
Two points.  rtk | 03/23/08
Stupid Premise  brettbum@... | 03/23/08
Just as stupid as is facts  sacskier22 | 03/23/08
If you'd care...  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/23/08
The inaccurate facts shows the real dope  sacskier22 | 03/23/08
How the article has a stupid premise  daviddorward | 03/23/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  mymindsmuse@... | 03/23/08
Epithets aside....  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/23/08
Firefox 3  sacskier22 | 03/23/08
I'm not sure which enterprises you're writting from.  rtk | 03/23/08
???  jaredschons | 03/23/08
Ahem  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/23/08
Blogger wants to post bogus stats - Cancel or Allow?  Sysadm1n | 03/23/08
Retract?  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/23/08
Author just craving attention  sacskier22 | 03/23/08
Yes  Mike (not Cox) | 03/23/08
ZDNet sinks to the lowest of lows.  Sysadm1n | 03/23/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  johnhhnjn | 03/23/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  ccmehil | 03/23/08
Gr8 input  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/23/08
The inconvenient Truth about user agents  Sysadm1n | 03/23/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  SuperluminalX | 03/23/08
Didn't find that setting  dahowlett@...ZDNet Moderator | 03/23/08
Any news of an update  rtk | 03/23/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  soyunchicocaliente@... | 03/23/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  soyunchicocaliente@... | 03/23/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  Rambo Tribble | 03/23/08
APPLE IS RIGHT!  jameskatt | 03/23/08
Except, this is Apple v Mozilla.  rtk | 03/23/08
Yes fanboy, and the earth is flat...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/24/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  Rambo Tribble | 03/23/08
Mac Mafia strikes again  bobsmith12 | 03/23/08
W3Schools Stats  ccmehil | 03/23/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  SquishyParts | 03/23/08
Who said that?  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/24/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  LinuxGuy06 | 03/23/08
Simple: what do you fear?  impala_sc | 03/23/08
Swing and a miss...  ejhonda | 03/24/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  MisterDBarton | 03/24/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  kcjohn@... | 03/24/08
FUD about Firefox  bfilipiak@... | 03/24/08
A little belligerent, are we?  tikigawd | 03/24/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  hvaamonde@... | 03/24/08
RE: Question to Mozilla CEO: what do you fear?  LTS | 03/24/08

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