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May 8th, 2008

An idea about teaching Linux to the MCSE community

Posted by Paul Murphy @ 5:15 am

Categories: Applications, Development, General, Linux, Wintel vs Lintel

Tags: Paul Murphy, Linux, MCSE, Unix, Mine, Paul Murphy

Frequent contributor Roger Ramjet has a bit of a bee in his bonnet about path and naming standardization across a multi-vendor distributed Unix architecture. If I understand him correctly, he believes that it’s both possible and sensible to build what amounts to a standardization harness - a set of scripts which, when run on the target environment, create a standardized working environment for users and sysadmins alike.

On a personal basis I do something similar: a script that writes a .cshrc file which then sets up aliases and pathing to let me use the same commands in the same way across Unix variants and customer set-ups. Thus “% o_logs” does a cd to the right place no matter which Unix variant the customer has or where some other guy decided to put them.

This approach would work, I think, for the narrow purpose of addressing a wide range of MCSE concerns about learning to use Linux because it could give them what they need: a completely standardized, if somewhat minimal, interface to many different Linux releases.

Mine is quite primitive - a collection of files requiring some manual intervention to verify when first used - but it’s easy to see how the Configure/Make combination could be used to build everything from .bashrc files to gnome configurations. Equally, it wouldn’t be a big deal for the people putting out new releases to provide customized versions of the files -thereby creating a kind of standardized high level interface layer aimed at helping MCSEs overcome their fear of Linux variability.

Paul MurphyPaul Murphy (a pseudonym) is an IT consultant specializing in Unix and related technologies. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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How many Unix admins could easily switch to Windows?
You tar all MCSEs with the same brush. You assume all MCSEs have a poor knowledge of the underlying principles of systems administration. I posit that the Pareto principle applies to the MCSE populati... (Read the rest)
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It makes economic sense  bportlock | 05/08/08
Put the cart before the horse.  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 05/08/08
It's not about shells  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/08/08
Please clarify.  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 05/08/08
Ok - let me try  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/08/08
I think nothing would be gained.  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 05/08/08
Skipping a step.  Anton Philidor | 05/08/08
ok - I'll answer his question  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/08/08
Best game in town  klumper | 05/08/08
Answering kids' questions  Anton Philidor | 05/09/08
RE: Ok - let me try --- "Webmin"  n0neXn0ne | 05/08/08
Nope...  Erik Engbrecht | 05/08/08
Close  john.lemme@... | 05/08/08
Same thing happened to me, but from C# help group  davidr69 | 05/08/08
I shoud restate things  john.lemme@... | 05/08/08
Dear John:  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/08/08
Not Insulted  john.lemme@... | 05/09/08
I guess I can weigh in . . .  Roger Ramjet | 05/08/08
You are so full of yourself.  ShadeTree | 05/08/08
Are you an MCSE that knows Unix?  davidr69 | 05/08/08
Wrong again!  ShadeTree | 05/08/08
Not wrong again  davidr69 | 05/09/08
No one said...  wolf_z | 05/09/08
Who doesn't know Windows?  davidr69 | 05/09/08
Sounds like you are making the .....  ShadeTree | 05/12/08
Boy, that's a limited mindset.  trent1 | 05/09/08
How much does your company pump into the global economy?  davidr69 | 05/09/08
Call me stupid or unexperienced  Michael Kelly | 05/08/08
Yes (re: your idea, not your headline)  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/08/08
So if thet's the solution and that's what most installs do anyway...  Michael Kelly | 05/08/08
Apps do it - Linux distros usually don't (NT)  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/08/08
Why is BASH a dumb shell?  davidr69 | 05/08/08
LOL - oh boy, I knew I'd get asked  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/08/08
RE: An idea about teaching Linux to the MCSE community  Morphiastum | 05/08/08
RE: An idea about teaching Linux to the MCSE community  HooNoze | 05/08/08
Why is BASH a "dumb shell"?  davidr69 | 05/08/08
By their friends ye shall know them?  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/08/08
Syntax from BASIC/Fortran?  davidr69 | 05/08/08
ok - you raise a good question  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/08/08
Remebere to include PowerShell (NT).  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 05/09/08
I don't have a preference  davidr69 | 05/09/08
And that's "by their *fruit*"  davidr69 | 05/08/08
ROFL  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/08/08
So that's why...  John L. Ries | 05/08/08
Not sure if this is relevant but GoboLinux uses /Program Files etc  stevey_d | 05/08/08
First, you must show a compelling reason  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/08/08
Right  Richard Flude | 05/08/08
Not  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/09/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/09/08
Do tell  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/09/08
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Reset  klumper | 05/09/08
How about a Job?  TripleII | 05/09/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 05/09/08
RE: An idea about teaching Linux to the MCSE community  kadosh | 05/08/08
Best game in town  klumper | 05/08/08
Why not teach them DOS as well  tonymcs@... | 05/08/08
You are right.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/09/08
Are they supporting Windows?  TripleII | 05/09/08
MS-DOS? that's so 80s  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/09/08
Another Idea  btidwell | 05/09/08
You assume far too much  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/09/08
Satisfaction in difficulty.  Anton Philidor | 05/09/08
What about the 10% mandating stick shift.  TripleII | 05/09/08
BulCr@P  Roger Ramjet | 05/09/08
I'll introduce myself.  TripleII | 05/09/08
Ever seen an Unix-only snob...  Anton Philidor | 05/09/08
I fit the profile perfectly.  TripleII | 05/09/08
Good P.S.  Anton Philidor | 05/09/08
I'm a Unix snob - with 3 words for friends who want windows help  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 05/09/08
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Real-world example  davidr69 | 05/09/08
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