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August 23rd, 2006

Mac Pro pricing: Where did Apple's edge go?

Posted by Paul Murphy @ 5:35 am

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A few years ago, I compared the then newest dual G5 Mac workstation to its nearest Dell competitor. Here’s how that looked:

 

Model Price Configuration
G5 Dual $2,999 Dual 2.5GHz PowerPC G5
1.25GHz frontside bus/processor
512K L2 cache/processor
512MB DDR400 SDRAM
Expandable to 8GB SDRAM
160GB Serial ATA
8x SuperDrive
Three PCI-X Slots
ATI Radeon 9600 XT
128MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem
Dell
Precision 670
$4,009 2 x 3.4Ghz Xeon
512MB
160GB SATA, 7200 RPM Hard Drive
8X DVD+RW/+R
128MB PCIe x16 (DVI/VGA) ATI FireGL V3100,

At that time, the Mac workstation’s relative advantage increased with the configuration and, of course, the initial configuration favored the Mac on connectivity, multi-media support, graphics, and processing power as well as price.

Things are different today. Here are the base configurations for the two competitors: First, from Apple’s Mac pro page:

 

  • Two 2.66GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon "Woodcrest" processors, 4MB shared L2 cache per processor, 1.33GHz dual independent frontside buses
  • 1GB memory (667MHz DDR2 fully-buffered DIMM ECC)
  • NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT graphics with 256MB memory
  • 250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s 7200-rpm hard drive
  • 16x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

And from Dell’s on-line store for large business (Dell 690n):

 

  • Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5050 3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667
  • 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
  • 128MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro NVS 285, Dual VGA Capable
  • 80GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache
  • 48X CD-ROM

For this Dell wants $2,250 including Red Hat Linux while Apple’s base price is $2,499 and includes the MacOS X desktop release.

If you upgrade the Dell to two dual core 3.73Ghz Xeons, 4GB, two 500GB internal SATA drives, a Nividia 4500, the same Superdrive the Mac has, and a 24" LCD its cost jumps to a resounding $7,482.

Do the same for the Mac - upgrading to dual 3Ghz processors, 4GB, dual 500Gb internal SATA drives, a 24" LCD display, and the same graphics board the PC has- its price jumps to $7,648.

(Note too, that if you upgrade both to 16GB, Dell’s cost will be only $10,532 versus $12,248 for the Mac - provided you accept their warning about shipping delays instead of more than doubling the system price by insisting you want it the extra memory right now.)

These are not the same CPUs and we don’t know what the real performance difference between these two configurations will actually come to -although since both will run the same operating systems and code we can expect to eventually find out - but the directional change in the pricing differences is what’s most interesting here.

Two years ago the Mac was unambiguously more powerful and cheaper right across the board; now it’s more powerful only at the entry level and more expensive right across the board.

So where did Apple’s price/performance advantage go? How do you lose competitive advantage on price and performance while everyone’s component prices are going down at about the same rate and you’re using the same manufacturing services everybody else is?

The answer in three letters? MacTel.

Paul MurphyPaul Murphy (a pseudonym) is an IT consultant specializing in Unix and related technologies. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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How so?
It was about comparing competitive positions: then and now. i.e.
your response was perfectly valid, but entirely beside the point.


I proved you wrong. The Mac Pro was in fact lower i... (Read the rest)
Posted by: Rick_K Posted on: 08/28/06 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Do Tel  Roger Ramjet | 08/23/06
"buy real crappy parts"....  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 08/23/06
We use Mac's and Dells....  Laff | 08/23/06
the popped caps...  doh123 | 08/23/06
Apple had capacitor problems too  Ken_z | 08/23/06
From the outside looking in  Bill4 | 08/23/06
Stick to the facts, please  JackG058 | 08/23/06
Rock and hard place  Peter Cowling | 08/23/06
Monitor question  tic swayback | 08/23/06
monitor and ram prices  Stuka | 08/23/06
For shirts and giggles...  tic swayback | 08/23/06
It's amusing....  Laff | 08/23/06
Formerly, quite a lot - now not so much  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 08/23/06
Take $640 off the price of the Mac  tic swayback | 08/23/06
Murph, you are such an anti-Intel Bigot!  ShadeTree | 08/23/06
Dempsey compared to Woodcrest?  aalexzander | 08/23/06
Difficult comparisons  Roger Ramjet | 08/23/06
huh?  Stuka | 08/23/06
My guess is  nomorems | 08/23/06
even then....  Stuka | 08/23/06
Hard to say....Apple was a feather in Intel's cap.  Laff | 08/23/06
I believe they paid about $93 for  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 08/23/06
Since when did MS start producing computers?  Confused by religion | 08/23/06
not PCs...  doh123 | 08/23/06
Excellent Point (NT)  Stuka | 08/23/06
Perhaps you could read the column again? (NT)  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 08/23/06
No, you need to re-read it  aalexzander | 08/23/06
no, he should re-write it  doh123 | 08/23/06
So true  Rick_K | 08/23/06
Thanks Alex  georgep_z | 08/24/06
The cost is rather irrelevent  j.m.galvin | 08/23/06
You should do a little research.  ShadeTree | 08/23/06
Nothing?  tic swayback | 08/23/06
Fer Gawd's sake...  Confused by religion | 08/23/06
Just one example  tic swayback | 08/23/06
The weasal was your answer!  ShadeTree | 08/24/06
Define "perform the same function"  tic swayback | 08/24/06
What do you mean define perform the ...  ShadeTree | 08/25/06
There are some things you can do on a PC that you can't on a Mac.  Laff | 08/23/06
I think it would be better put that  zkiwi | 08/23/06
Say what?  999ad@... | 08/28/06
Not the same  j.m.galvin | 08/23/06
Exactly the same  ShadeTree | 08/24/06
Thanks for the truth, Galvin (NT)  GSavage777 | 08/24/06
Compared Woodcrest to old P4-based Xeons  David Neumann | 08/23/06
thats not the point  doh123 | 08/23/06
Both are true  Reverend MacFellow | 08/24/06
simple differences, too  rwahrens1952 | 08/23/06
Lies, statisitics and other fudge factors.  Rick_K | 08/23/06
Dumb comparison  t_mohajir | 08/23/06
Sigh, the quality of ZDNet's blogs continues to plummet  tic swayback | 08/23/06
Actually tic, you're reading what isn't there  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 08/23/06
Rough comparabilility  tic swayback | 08/23/06
System prices ==no third parties  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 08/23/06
You are dead wrong  ajole | 08/23/06
As a Mac person, you are doing a great disservice to your camp  IronCladChicken | 08/25/06
Not where I work  tic swayback | 08/23/06
Wrong again  t_mohajir | 08/23/06
See above  Rick_K | 08/24/06
Baseless Opinion  mjspitz@... | 08/23/06
Better read that 2004 article  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 08/23/06
Better REread that 2004 article  b.d.hi | 08/23/06
not really true, just more of the twisting...  doh123 | 08/23/06
irregardless is not a word  Roger Ramjet | 08/24/06
Dell is $2473, if you make the specs closer to equal.  GoPower | 08/23/06
Apple Superiority in low single digits, and declining  SteveMak | 08/23/06
Do the math  tic swayback | 08/23/06
Apple's profits are margins  mdemuth | 08/23/06
Incorrect  tic swayback | 08/24/06
Pricing impacts market share  Ken_z | 08/23/06
missing information  doh123 | 08/23/06
no....  Stuka | 08/23/06
seems to me I seen this comparison before recently.  Arm A. Geddon | 08/23/06
Whoops wrong again  TonyMcS | 08/23/06
PAUL TECH ME.....  jjgitties | 08/24/06
Rick_K is right, Mr Murphy:  labarker | 08/24/06
Just trying to be fair  Rick_K | 08/24/06
Rick_K is right, Mr Murphy:  labarker | 08/24/06
Yahoo Article says Opposite?  lostarchitect | 08/24/06
Sure  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 08/25/06
Who's lying here?  Rick_K | 08/25/06
hows an os?  giskard | 08/24/06
Still no response  Rick_K | 08/25/06
I guess  Rick_K | 08/25/06
Lies, damn lies and configurations  Roger Ramjet | 08/25/06
I got as...  Rick_K | 08/25/06
the column wasn't about comparing hardware  murph_zZDNet Moderator | 08/26/06
How so?  Rick_K | 08/28/06

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