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August 5th, 2007

Vista IE7 issue remains unsolved for many users

Posted by Marc Orchant @ 9:54 am

Categories: Productivity, Software, Vista, Windows

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Marc Orchant

When I read stuff like this, it confirms my belief that there’s something very broken in the world of Vista. Here’s a very knowledgeable user and talented developer who’s confounded and befuddled by a well-documented and still unaddressed issue affecting Vista users running Internet Explorer 7. The problem manifests itself as an annoying and increasingly frequent hang or time-out during which the PC is essentially rendered useless. This is not a productivity enhancing experience folks. This is a huge time sink. The emphasis below is mine.

I updated some of the drivers on the Toshiba the other day so maybe that’s what’s going on. I know there’s a specific order these drivers need to be installed in or else “things can go wrong.” What those things are I don’t know. Maybe that’s the problem I’m running into. The only cure I understand is to do a clean install and there’s no way I’m going to set aside a dozen hours to reinstall everything and get this machine back in order. I’d rather limp along until I find another Tablet PC. Right now I have my eye on a Lenovo with dual digitizers and the forthcoming Dell Tablet PC.

Sorry in advance if this doesn’t align with your experience and you’re a huge fan of Vista for whom everything is working just fine. IMO, this is yet another indication of how far Microsoft has to go to get Vista to a position of equivalent performance and stability to what we’ve come to expect to from XP SP2. Again, this is not an isolated incident or a case of PEBKAC*. Problems like this are all too common and are being widely reported and discussed in the tubes. Do a search and you’ll see what I mean. It’s increasingly evident that Vista is not a ready-for-prime-time operating system yet.

* A lovely acronym favored by tech support people which stands for Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.

Update: my buddy Ed Bott takes me to task for using weak evidence and he’s right that a lot of hits on a search engine from a query like the one I suggest is hardly conclusive. And, as I commented on his post, there are really two issues here. One is an IE7 problem that further investigation reveals is affecting users of XP and Vista. The other is the larger issue of whether Vista is ready to be a shipping product for the millions of people who were led to believe that their late-model PC was Vista-compatible or Vista-ready and have since discovered that this is not the case. If, as Ed argues in his post, the best scenario is Vista installed on a new PC at the factory and upgrades even on Vista-compatible or Vista-ready machines are a problem waiting to happen, then Microsoft needs to come clean and say so.

Marc Orchant has been building, testing, and sometimes breaking hardware and software for 25 years. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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And that's a GOOD thing  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/05/07
Conspiracy or manopoly  not of this world | 08/05/07
me no fear..  comnut | 08/15/07
More Bloat from the Bolatfarm  Jeremy W | 08/17/07
XP has had 6 years of improvement. Vista about 6 months.  ye | 08/05/07
Alpha testers wanted for Vista  trentreviso | 08/05/07
hey..6 yrs+6 months..  jaisin_81 | 08/05/07
You have a good point  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/05/07
I don't remember XP sucking this bad  Chad_z | 08/05/07
Vista shouldn't need years of SP's to get where XP is  mwiley_z | 08/06/07
associate EXEs with Notepad?  lauren.glenn@... | 08/07/07
When is an "upgrade" a "downgrade"?  gardoglee | 08/20/07
When is an "upgrade" a "downgrade"?  ahjac@... | 08/25/07
Not at all  morchant | 08/06/07
Yes and No, it was MS who said it had WOW  intrepi@... | 08/09/07
Considering the extended dev-cycle...  Raymond Danner | 08/24/07
The only other longest would be.....  xuniL_z | 09/03/07
Many more Vista and MS woes.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/07
good reading  not of this world | 08/05/07
Yes, good stuff  eb276 | 08/05/07
Vista, an over-extended metaphore  filker0 | 08/06/07
Well, maybe... but try this on.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/07
I don't disagree on most points  filker0 | 08/07/07
That sounds familar.  Joel R | 08/14/07
Well-written summary!  Raymond Danner | 08/24/07
HEY NO AXE!  Linux User 147560 | 08/06/07
Here is the problem....  ShadeTree | 08/06/07
Good gravy No Axe this is a great post !  intrepi@... | 08/09/07
Okay, who hacked No_Axe?s ZDnet account? (NT)  Joel R | 08/14/07
Alright , what did you do with the real No_Ax ?  Non_Zealot | 08/25/07
Agree  jmorgus@... | 08/29/07
Not only with Vista  Old Mac Hand | 08/05/07
XP2 comes with ie6.1 built in, and  not of this world | 08/05/07
There IS a Solution  Utah Stan | 08/05/07
Thank you Hugo Chavez (nt)  John Zern | 08/06/07
An d we don't take Insane people . . .  JLHenry | 08/06/07
Here's an easier solution than a constitutional amendment  mrankin | 08/30/07
I had this problem  itpro_z | 08/05/07
Everyone knows not to purchase an MS OS until SP1!  Scrat | 08/06/07
Tsk! Tsk!  ShadeTree | 08/06/07
Not really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/07
Yes really  ShadeTree | 08/06/07
And IE7 is . . .  JLHenry | 08/06/07
During it's time would you have said the same of  Laff | 08/06/07
Microsoft offers a free trial of Vista.  ShadeTree | 08/06/07
Getting it, loading it is easy, getting rid of it is another matter  intrepi@... | 08/09/07
getting rid of it is easy  Khyron | 08/21/07
Timeline  Chiatzu | 08/07/07
Once again, one person assuming for the rest  intrepi@... | 08/09/07
The overall conclusion is correct.  Raymond Danner | 08/24/07
I had this too...  BitTwiddler | 08/06/07
Not Enough Info  ParrotHeadFL | 08/06/07
So we should all just buy new machines?  morchant | 08/06/07
Technology changes--accept it.  ParrotHeadFL | 08/07/07
OS2 Warp?  lauren.glenn@... | 08/07/07
Agreed  ParrotHeadFL | 08/08/07
Your memory is hazy  Ed BottZDNet Moderator | 08/08/07
I think I know what she?s remembering.  Joel R | 08/14/07
Oh?  Raymond Danner | 08/24/07
Probably Flash  tester_guy | 08/06/07
If the entire system is hanging, it's drivers or hardware  PB_z | 08/06/07
Not quite...  filker0 | 08/06/07
Not necessarily the application's fault  PB_z | 08/06/07
hang in there...  lauren.glenn@... | 08/07/07
Read my post again  morchant | 08/06/07
Sorry - that was garbled.  morchant | 08/06/07
Still garbled!  ShadeTree | 08/06/07
Also ...  ShadeTree | 08/06/07
Maybe not a million men  CarlS | 08/08/07
Actually...  rapson | 08/06/07
It would've been great to actually have this in your article...  PB_z | 08/06/07
To take it one step farther ....  ShadeTree | 08/06/07
re: Read my post again  M.R. Kennedy | 08/06/07
Very broad search...  Bob.Kerns | 08/07/07
A question :  mhenriday | 08/06/07
Vista Upgrade Install Repair  uvbogden | 08/06/07
Most users don't run Vista Business  intrepi@... | 08/09/07
Oh but it is...  jmiller1978 | 08/23/07
Erm... think you mean Vista Home Premium.  Raymond Danner | 08/24/07
Content-free non-contribution  Bob.Kerns | 08/06/07
They dont have the leverage?  morchant | 08/07/07
Just observing...  Bob.Kerns | 09/01/07
And your post is an undisguised rant.  Raymond Danner | 08/24/07
You need to look closer at the nVidia situation  Bob.Kerns | 09/01/07
I never have driver problems.  davebarnes | 08/26/07
Interesting data point, fanboy!  Bob.Kerns | 09/01/07
Amazing Diversity  DonBurnett | 08/07/07
Only on thing to remember ...  msdead | 08/07/07
Good point!  Raymond Danner | 08/24/07
Browser Fix  caeciszek | 08/07/07
Why even deal with it?  sc_david | 08/07/07
Apples and Mushrooms  filker0 | 08/07/07
I do agree with some reservations  intrepi@... | 08/09/07
I like the Mac too but you're over-simplifying things  morchant | 08/07/07
Pehaps I did take the claim too far  sc_david | 08/07/07
Biggest mistake Apple made...  Raymond Danner | 08/24/07
hang time is not that big deal...  bikerpappy@... | 08/07/07
Vista as good as XP?  Raymond Danner | 08/24/07
Windows 95  jcrawley73 | 08/07/07
Eh?  Raymond Danner | 08/24/07
You can install other browsers......  lauren.glenn@... | 08/07/07
memory lane  lauren.glenn@... | 08/07/07
Unreasonable  taylorma@... | 08/08/07
VISTA IE7 Problem found in IE5.5+ and fixed  wwwsupport | 08/08/07
Vista? Not in my organization  blarman_z | 08/09/07
Why does anyone feel they have to use it ?  intrepi@... | 08/09/07
It's a Toshiba Issue - not microsoft's  InvestInSolutions | 08/10/07
Having the SAME problem  blissfull@... | 08/10/07
IE7, Explorer, Live Messenger and Sidebar all keep hanging.  jon_schurmann@... | 08/17/07
I have found that most Windows problems stem from the OEM.  xshakes | 08/18/07
The Author is clearly clueless about windows  ericsami | 08/22/07
Vista. Never again.  lecram2 | 08/28/07
For Vista and Office 2007 I must agree : DANGEROUS  lecram2 | 08/28/07
Success by ignorance ?  lecram2 | 08/28/07
I've experienced this same problem  Leria | 08/29/07
IE7 in general...  Mitch 74 | 09/04/07

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