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December 20th, 2005

Desktop Linux versus Windows XP shootout

Posted by George Ou @ 12:59 pm

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In my last blog "Could Desktop Linux really be so slow?" I posted some interesting performance numbers of how a mainstream desktop Linux distribution like Linspire performed on a $100 PC.  The performance results for Linspire Linux were quite a disappointment, so I decided to investigate further and ask you, the reader, what Linux distribution would represent desktop Linux better.  Those who criticize Microsoft for producing some of the world’s biggest bloatware clearly don’t have the facts on their side.While I got a lot of helpful suggestions and appreciate all of them, I’m sorry to say that I can’t use all of them or test every single Linux distribution that was recommended.  I’ve decided that the best candidate for testing Linux desktop performance against Windows XP Professional would be SUSE Linux (the free OpenSUSE version), since it is a mainstream distribution and preload optimized in its default configuration.  Having tested it over the weekend, it appears that SUSE is much faster than Linspire and it impressed me enough that I intend to use it in a dual-boot configuration with Windows on my own PC from now on.

One other suggestion was that 128 MBs of RAM simply wasn’t enough to run Linux and KDE even though Windows XP will run at acceptable levels with 128 MBs of RAM.  There are those who will argue with my statement that Windows XP runs properly on 128 MBs of RAM and point out that their Windows XP system runs like molasses with 512 MBs of RAM.  I say to those people that they have a very poorly configured Windows XP system and that it doesn’t reflect what a clean Windows XP system is capable of.  My other reasons for testing the 128 MB configuration is that I believe that any operating system should at least properly boot up and load a single productivity application at a time without choking in the process.  This low-memory torture test assures me that there will be plenty of memory left for my data on a typical PC with 256 to 512 MBs of memory.  One other great point that a reader brought up was that these systems with integrated video cards use a unified memory architecture where system memory is borrowed for non-existent video memory.  It turned out that 32 MBs of RAM was in fact being borrowed for the integrated video adapter such that the system was only left with 96 MBs of memory.  Even so, I still say this is workable for Windows XP Professional so it’s only fair to test desktop Linux in the same hardware configuration.  But in the interest of being thorough, I’ve decided to add a 256 MB DDR-333 (typically $20-$30) stick of memory into the test bed to test the 352-MB RAM configuration in addition to the 96-MB RAM configuration.

Since most people will require the use of some kind anti-virus protection for their Windows PC, I added PC-Cillin Internet Security Suite 2006 to the Windows test bed.  Since this would be a handicap for the Windows platform and not a pure comparison between Windows to Linux OS, I included the results of Windows without anti-virus.  In fairness, desktop Linux would also require anti-virus if it ever reached mainstream status with more than a 20% market share on the desktop, but I’ll have to leave that debate for another day so we can get on with the results.

Software specifications:

Windows Linspire SUSE
Windows XP Pro w/SP2 Linspire 5.0 OpenSUSE 10.0
MS Office 2003 w/SP2 OO.o OO.o
XP SP2 Firewall Linspire default SUSE default on
PC-Cillin ISS 2006 none none


Hardware specifications:

  • AMD Sempron 2400+ (1667 MHz Socket A) CPU
  • SIS motherboard chipset
  • 96 MBs DDR-333 RAM (Trial A)
  • 352 MBs DDR-333 RAM (Trial B)
  • 32 MBs of DDR-333 RAM allocated for integrated video
  • SIS on-board integrated video adapter
  • Ultra ATA-133 40 GB hard drive
  • 52x CD-ROM drive

Results:

As we can see from these OS boot time and application load time results, Microsoft handily beat the open source platform.  What’s more surprising is that Windows XP and Office 2003 running in 96 MBs of RAM even managed to beat OpenSUSE and OpenOffice.org 2 running in 352 MBs of RAM!  While I admit that load times aren’t the only factor for judging performance, it is a significant one.  Any software developer will tell you that load times don’t just magically shrink; it takes careful design and plenty of hard work to optimize code to be responsive.  There are those who have and will always criticize Microsoft for producing some of the world’s biggest bloatware, but they clearly don’t have the facts on their side.  There may be plenty of things to criticize Microsoft for, but bloated software isn’t one of them.

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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RE: Desktop Linux versus Windows XP shootout
Update! Linux works great if you know how to get the wireless working. After that, my oldest son switched from windows immediately on both his systems. I am stuck due windows based software I need.... (Read the rest)
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excellent comparison, apparently you really do get what you pay for  ~doolittle~ | 12/20/05
Viability Depends On Several Factors  Edward Meyers | 12/20/05
So Linux is NOT one OS...  wolf_z | 12/22/05
Its Closer to 13/14  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
Also...  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
They are the same, to Joe Average  wolf_z | 12/23/05
Really  Edward Meyers | 12/23/05
Compatibility  wolf_z | 12/24/05
Direct CD  Edward Meyers | 12/24/05
You prove that Linux isn't ready for prime-time  NonZealot | 12/22/05
Good analogy?  SGT_Spam | 12/22/05
And is this a bad thing?  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
And  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
And there is your problem  george_ou | 12/22/05
These People  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
Here is the problem with Linux Zealots  george_ou | 12/22/05
The woute by itself isn't that insulting until you compare the title  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
You really are a moron georgie  JusPassinThrough | 12/23/05
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Then Linux is doomed  NonZealot | 12/22/05
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This is default Windows  Protagonistic | 12/28/05
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Hey  tfarrell67 | 10/12/06
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What would be the point  Protagonistic | 12/28/05
RE: Windows Apps Times  RockFisher | 12/28/05
Speed-boot and Linux.  Vily Clay | 03/09/06
Given the nature of the system, I'd say Open Suse is the clear winner.  enduser_z | 12/20/05
Great point ...  George Mitchell | 12/20/05
Is his friend a system builder?  enduser_z | 12/20/05
I think we are talking about what the OEM COULD have offered ...  George Mitchell | 12/20/05
There are better sources for OEM  george_ou | 12/20/05
Choice of licenses is strictly optional?  enduser_z | 12/20/05
I'm not suggesting anything  george_ou | 12/20/05
No, really  enduser_z | 12/20/05
'She' is a college student  george_ou | 12/20/05
That would bring the cost of Windows + Office down to about $300, then.  enduser_z | 12/20/05
There's OEM Windows pricing  george_ou | 12/20/05
From the licence...  Michael Kelly | 12/20/05
Good to know.  enduser_z | 12/20/05
No need for Best Buy  Gerry_z | 12/22/05
That sounds a little too good  george_ou | 12/23/05
If you bought Office 2003 Professional for ...  ShadeTree | 12/28/05
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and on that note...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 12/20/05
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Internet or 5CD/1DVD or 1CD Min  Edward Meyers | 12/20/05
5 CD version I got last Friday  george_ou | 12/20/05
How about reviewing Debian Graphical installer (beta) install over internet  hipparchus2001 | 12/20/05
I'm pulling the 1 CD Torrent Down Now  Edward Meyers | 12/20/05
dual boot?  lwparrish | 12/21/05
Dual boot on my OWN pc  george_ou | 12/22/05
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Your ignorance continues to shine georgie.  JusPassinThrough | 12/23/05
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The efficiency issues are real ...  George Mitchell | 12/20/05
Vista is speeding up, not slowing down  george_ou | 12/20/05
If that is true ...  George Mitchell | 12/20/05
I should be testing the new CTP of Vista soon  george_ou | 12/20/05
Java ?  jasonpaul | 12/20/05
I didn't mention Mono  george_ou | 12/20/05
reference  samkass | 12/22/05
Check this software out  george_ou | 12/23/05
Integrated Software more complex?  megame | 12/20/05
Vista to decouple GUI from Kernel  D. T. Schmitz | 12/20/05
Not true  megame | 12/21/05
No need to make a hypothetical here.  enduser_z | 12/20/05
No AV for myself, friends, and family  george_ou | 12/20/05
but with limited user, they can't use flash/shockwave  hipparchus2001 | 12/20/05
I don't want them to install anything  george_ou | 12/20/05
When I installed shockwave as admin, it didn't work for other users  hipparchus2001 | 12/20/05
Never a problem for me with XP Pro.  george_ou | 12/20/05
Have they asked you for a computer as a present...  Anton Philidor | 12/21/05
Restrictions  george_ou | 12/22/05
Light-weight AV scanners are good...  Anton Philidor | 12/22/05
But Windows is faster with AV  george_ou | 12/20/05
Okay I get you left it at default...  ju1ce | 12/21/05
... and a bloated AV at that.  Anton Philidor | 12/21/05
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trounced ??? u really dont get it  zara994x | 12/23/05
good analogy  zara994x | 12/23/05
Corporations do  george_ou | 12/20/05
3 licenses with "education" Office...  Anton Philidor | 12/21/05
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Say what you will...  just^me | 12/22/05
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I tried SuSE, but it was WAY too hard to use  RogerFairmont | 12/20/05
MP3 and DVD support not a Linux problem  whieber | 12/20/05
You have links for DVD and MP3 support?  george_ou | 12/20/05
DVD/MP3 Support  D. T. Schmitz | 12/20/05
Thanks for the link  george_ou | 12/20/05
I think VLC www.videolan.org does both these  hipparchus2001 | 12/20/05
Solution  Tim Patterson | 12/21/05
The whole area of multimedia is fraught with peril ...  George Mitchell | 12/21/05
Theora might take over (especially if it played in a window in Firefox)  hipparchus2001 | 12/24/05
Sad, isn't it?  horusfalcon | 12/30/05
I agree...  just^me | 12/22/05
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Try Ubuntu  cyber_rigger@... | 12/20/05
its only too hard if...  doh123 | 12/22/05
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Thanks for your input  george_ou | 12/20/05
K3B  D. T. Schmitz | 12/20/05
Killer app is DVD ripper?  hipparchus2001 | 12/20/05
Actually, it's a DVD shrinker  george_ou | 12/20/05
NX  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
Game Support  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
some answers  doh123 | 12/22/05
media help  Max2008 | 01/01/06
DVD Shrink replacement  chemist109 | 12/13/06
Thanks for adding XP!  dank@... | 12/20/05
Thanks, I'll do that  george_ou | 12/20/05
Linking to this article from my "What's wrong with Linux" page...  dank@... | 12/20/05
Small error  george_ou | 12/20/05
Have you tried the keyboard shortcuts?  Michael Kelly | 12/20/05
Gnome  washburn | 12/20/05
Its Not Even A Gnome Thing  Edward Meyers | 12/20/05
Fixed...  dank@... | 12/20/05
Fixed...  dank@... | 12/20/05
I Looked At Your Page  Edward Meyers | 12/20/05
Some more missed items...  douglasids | 12/22/05
Some more issues with your assumptions  douglasids | 12/22/05
More issues with your "page"  douglasids | 12/22/05
Right On  Richard Flude | 12/20/05
Another option for the 3rd world and poor  george_ou | 12/20/05
Advocating piracy?  Richard Flude | 12/20/05
Piracy issues  george_ou | 12/20/05
You're right, except...  Anton Philidor | 12/21/05
You're kicking people when they're down  george_ou | 12/22/05
How to help.  Anton Philidor | 12/22/05
Microsoft's position  george_ou | 12/22/05
Inspector Javert?  george_ou | 12/22/05
Javert didn't recognize...  Anton Philidor | 12/22/05
Your examples are about physical theft  george_ou | 12/22/05
What I would do  george_ou | 12/22/05
Theft and making decisions affecting pplication of laws  Anton Philidor | 12/22/05
It is the definition of piracy  Richard Flude | 12/21/05
You're not "taking" anything  george_ou | 12/22/05
Stupid is what stupid does  Richard Flude | 12/22/05
Stupid is what stupid does  Richard Flude | 12/22/05
why two different office packages?  czubin@... | 12/20/05
Or KOffice or Gnome Office  joef_z | 12/20/05
Good point  bryantrv | 12/21/05
OOo loads slowly on Windows too  ovidtchr | 03/10/06
Compare Features also  stevenjoseph | 12/20/05
I NEVER litter my systray  george_ou | 12/20/05
Beleive me, even users I think are advanced can't do this  hipparchus2001 | 12/20/05
I am going to do a how-to on this one  george_ou | 12/20/05
In fairness...  Anton Philidor | 12/21/05
You Missed The Point  Edward Meyers | 12/20/05
Right Edward  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
worse than that they need cygwin/X  zara994x | 12/30/05
worse than that they need cygwin/X  zara994x | 12/30/05
You missed the point  bljilek | 12/20/05
What Version of Linspire? New Version Much Faster.  RogerFairmont | 12/20/05
It's in the blog  george_ou | 12/20/05
Intentionally unfair?  shadow_fedora | 12/20/05
I left that debate, but I didn't say you couldn't  george_ou | 12/20/05
Justification?  shadow_fedora | 12/20/05
You're free to disagree  george_ou | 12/20/05
Re:You're free to disagree  shadow_fedora | 12/20/05
...on Report  megame | 12/21/05
You didn't read the report. You skimmed  douglasids | 12/22/05
The viruses will come? When?  anonymous_coward@... | 12/21/05
Re: You're free to disagree  jobranovich@... | 12/21/05
Sorry George  Linux User 147560 | 12/21/05
Significant?  Qbt | 12/22/05
It is a worthwhile target...  Linux User 147560 | 12/22/05
Just pass on by  S.Howard-SarinZDNet Moderator | 12/20/05
But then where does that leave Desktop Linux?  george_ou | 12/20/05
What Is Desktop Linux Anyhow??  Edward Meyers | 12/20/05
I'll compromise with you and let you pick one more distro  george_ou | 12/20/05
Sure  Edward Meyers | 12/20/05
Ok, puppy it is  george_ou | 12/21/05
comparisons  axe's worst nightmare | 12/21/05
speed  zara994x | 12/21/05
Vector and Puppy  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
I already ran this test on Gentoo  NonZealot | 12/22/05
Agreed  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
Only scratches the surface?  NonZealot | 12/22/05
Re: Just pass on by  shadow_fedora | 12/20/05
ZDNet's motives  zdnet_reader | 12/20/05
It insults my intelligence  shadow_fedora | 12/20/05
Oh, it's the media's fault, eh?  S.Howard-SarinZDNet Moderator | 12/21/05
Misleading Journalists  zdnet_reader | 12/21/05
Wow, you're getting soft on me happy  george_ou | 12/22/05
Journalistic Motivation  Erik1234 | 12/22/05
zdnet_reader is a ZEALOT  NonZealot | 12/22/05
ZDNet's motives  zdnet_reader | 12/20/05
Benchmarks == reality  S.Howard-SarinZDNet Moderator | 12/21/05
Perhaps not "fair", but apposite.  Anton Philidor | 12/21/05
He should have opened up a pdf file!  whieber | 12/21/05
ZDNet:....  jgmsys@... | 12/22/05
Let's be fair to Linux  megame | 12/20/05
Linux hibernate is sort of beta which might speed things up  hipparchus2001 | 12/20/05
Who says OEM Office won't update?  george_ou | 12/20/05
I mean upgrade to a new version: Office 2010 release, you can't tradeup OEM  hipparchus2001 | 12/20/05
At those prices, who cares?  george_ou | 12/20/05
Pirated vs invalid license; what is the difference?  enduser_z | 12/20/05
And most people pay $400 for Office?  george_ou | 12/20/05
I'm not suggesting anything  enduser_z | 12/20/05
Thanks  george_ou | 12/20/05
The Average Home Consumer Will Have It Preloaded  Edward Meyers | 12/20/05
Interesting things  Yagotta B. Kidding | 12/21/05
Dell and HP offer the limited WordPerfect suite...  Anton Philidor | 12/21/05
None  3D0G | 12/22/05
One other free option  george_ou | 12/20/05
and it's true for a lot of small corporations the $400 is a no brainer  hipparchus2001 | 12/20/05
Pay by usage, no way!  george_ou | 12/20/05
Back to sleep  Yagotta B. Kidding | 12/21/05
hibernate doesn't always work with win xp  hipparchus2001 | 12/24/05
Go on, try Puppy Linux  hipparchus2001 | 12/20/05
But how fully featured is it?  george_ou | 12/20/05
don't worry about that, just say it has lower feature level  hipparchus2001 | 12/20/05
I'll try it in VMWare first  george_ou | 12/20/05
DSL  Edward Meyers | 12/20/05
Linux vs Windows  jasonpaul | 12/20/05
Scalability  Erik1234 | 12/20/05
Thank you George for your efforts  Michael Kelly | 12/20/05
Don't forget this comment  george_ou | 12/20/05
Interesting  Zalok | 12/21/05
Hey, I like Linux and FreeBSD for many things  george_ou | 12/22/05
Linux Benefits  AAWW | 12/20/05
You're not a test lab...  palmwarrior | 12/20/05
I agree  george_ou | 12/20/05
SuSE versus OpenSuSE  palmwarrior | 12/22/05
What's your application.  summitguy | 12/20/05
Boot times shootout?? You've got to be kidding.  jesusbits2@... | 12/20/05
Really, like what?  just^me | 12/22/05
$100 Windows PC  jesusbits2@... | 12/23/05
Standing journalism on its head  joef_z | 12/20/05
Let me leave you with  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
DONT NEED TO REBOOT  dwjunix | 12/20/05
No, MySQL is faster than Oracle  george_ou | 12/20/05
Progress is faster...  ju1ce | 12/21/05
To serious to see the joke  dwjunix | 12/21/05
Well...  scsi commando | 12/21/05
Well considering it's  Linux User 147560 | 12/22/05
Bad argument  IT Scion | 12/22/05
George Ou, the expert  shadow_fedora | 12/20/05
hey no need to be rude  hipparchus2001 | 12/21/05
Besides  Edward Meyers | 12/21/05
Missed the point  shadow_fedora | 12/21/05
I Umderstand The Limitations Of The Metodolgy Here  Edward Meyers | 12/21/05
Besides That  Edward Meyers | 12/21/05
I did.  shadow_fedora | 12/21/05
Why are you like this?  megame | 12/21/05
Because  shadow_fedora | 12/21/05
and full of rubbish  waylander | 12/21/05
Can you think of something intelligent to say?  shadow_fedora | 12/21/05
again this is oversimplistic  hipparchus2001 | 12/24/05
But this is what test was about  megame | 12/22/05
Sorry, but it is fair to windows...  Wight13 | 02/21/07
Windows got it's user/market share through...  Wight13 | 02/21/07
Net Effect  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
2K v. Knoppix  D-cat | 12/29/05
was a valid comparison from my perspective  ~doolittle~ | 12/21/05
linux xp boot  zara994x | 12/21/05
I do concur with that as well  ~doolittle~ | 12/21/05
Look who's talking  scsi commando | 12/21/05
What a shallow little boy you are. Show us your results.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/22/05
Then enlighten all of us  IT Scion | 12/22/05
IT Scion  D. T. Schmitz | 12/22/05
Someone at LXer doesn't like you  dtfinch | 12/20/05
OUch!  ~doolittle~ | 12/21/05
Hello, PEOPLE!!!  Yagotta B. Kidding | 12/21/05
Yet despite those tradeoffs  Michael Kelly | 12/21/05
Half Bad  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
Puppy is pretty fast, but it's a little crude  george_ou | 12/21/05
VMWare?  ju1ce | 12/21/05
No, just prelim testing of Puppy  george_ou | 12/21/05
Puppy  Edward Meyers | 12/21/05
So I should be trying Vector Linux?  george_ou | 12/21/05
Vector Would Be More Polished  Edward Meyers | 12/21/05
Trouble installing in VMWare HD  george_ou | 12/22/05
Why Even Bother With VMWARE  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
yeah but it does come with firefox and a host of apps  hipparchus2001 | 12/24/05
hmmm  zara994x | 12/24/05
All good points  george_ou | 12/21/05
suse  zara994x | 12/21/05
This is an Average Joe Test  nucrash | 12/22/05
Default clean installs aren't fair comparisons?  IT Scion | 12/22/05
of course not  zara994x | 12/22/05
Great post (NT)  ju1ce | 12/21/05
Generalizations.  Anton Philidor | 12/21/05
Hobby  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
Better and worse hobbies.  Anton Philidor | 12/21/05
Draft  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
implications  ~doolittle~ | 12/21/05
Why is there (hot) air?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 12/22/05
Paraphrasing Bill Cosby:  Anton Philidor | 12/23/05
Hey Hey Heyyyyyyyyy!  D. T. Schmitz | 12/25/05
Meaningless points for Joe Six pack and Desktops.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/22/05
Reading for content  Yagotta B. Kidding | 12/22/05
Yes right.  wendor | 12/22/05
You belong to the extreme fringe  xyz10_z | 12/25/05
You belong to the extreme fringe  xyz10_z | 12/25/05
Viva SuSE!  laredoflash@... | 01/02/06
Monopoly abuse.  anonymous_coward@... | 12/21/05
But Linux code IS openly published  Michael Kelly | 12/21/05
Unfortunately, there are hold backs.  Narg | 12/21/05
How does what MS do effect Linux or open source?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/22/05
Georgie, your really starting to grow on me  zmud | 12/21/05
I don't think it necessarily needs to be written differently  Michael Kelly | 12/21/05
Windows and Linux  Napua | 12/21/05
good article, security is an issue  ~doolittle~ | 12/21/05
Follow on KDE Advisory  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
LinuKS  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
This is not *The* Desktop Linux  felipec | 12/21/05
What about us mere mortals?  george_ou | 12/21/05
And what was the purpose of your test?  Anton Philidor | 12/21/05
Do we know that for a fact?  Michael Kelly | 12/21/05
Pre-installed SuSE?  Anton Philidor | 12/21/05
Distros don't matter  Spacely Spacerockets | 12/22/05
Well said.(nt)  IT Scion | 12/22/05
Things as they are  felipec | 12/21/05
Mere mortals can?  george_ou | 12/21/05
To a user Suse is Linux  Spacely Spacerockets | 12/22/05
Re: us mere mortals?  jobranovich@... | 12/21/05
And you know everything?  george_ou | 12/22/05
Re: And you know everything?  jobranovich@... | 12/25/05
please consider ..please sell me the box  zara994x | 12/25/05
it might be intresting, but why?  megame | 12/26/05
it might be intresting, but why?  megame | 12/26/05
More than mere mortals  mactolinux | 12/22/05
And you expect Joe Six Pack to do all this???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/22/05
desktop linux vs windows xp  zara994x | 12/21/05
slowest software selection  dtfinch | 12/21/05
software selection  zara994x | 12/21/05
ssh and X  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
X  zara994x | 12/21/05
points well taken!  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
But Wait Give it 6 months!  bubba555 | 12/21/05
fluxbox vs xp  zara994x | 12/21/05
fluxwhat?  Narg | 12/21/05
the point  zara994x | 12/21/05
You make his point for him wonderfully  wendor | 12/21/05
point again  zara994x | 12/21/05
Nope  wendor | 12/21/05
yep wender  zara994x | 12/21/05
config  zara994x | 12/21/05
So True !!  dwjunix | 12/21/05
apples and oranges  zara994x | 12/21/05
Hold Your Fire!  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
desktop linux vs windows xp  zara994x | 12/21/05
I didn't claim to be a Linux expert  george_ou | 12/21/05
apples and oranges  zara994x | 12/21/05
One Liners  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
more  zara994x | 12/21/05
more  zara994x | 12/21/05
desktop linux vs windows xp- one sorry article  zara994x | 12/21/05
Win98 runlevel 3!  megame | 12/22/05
A Couple of Points Here  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
Corrections...  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
You have no clue what end users want  NonZealot | 12/22/05
It's Important  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
Now you are talking server, not end-user desktop  NonZealot | 12/22/05
The Home User Might  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
xp runlevel 3 linux vs Xp  zara994x | 12/22/05
I enjoyed your article  NonmaskableInt | 12/21/05
apples and oranges  zara994x | 12/21/05
Thanks, but only non-technical for Linux  george_ou | 12/21/05
a few points  zara994x | 12/21/05
a few honest questions  zara994x | 12/22/05
non-technicals like yourself  jobranovich@... | 12/21/05
We all have our areas of expertise  george_ou | 12/21/05
Give yourself a chance and keep an open mind  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
should you be testing desktop systems then?  barsteward | 12/23/05
should you be not be blogging on what you know about then??  barsteward | 12/23/05
great point  zara994x | 12/23/05
when u do learn more linux  zara994x | 12/23/05
try this george  zara994x | 12/23/05
XPee is never that fast  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 12/21/05
Just a very long response to the test happy  tombalablomba | 12/21/05
Thanks for your comments  george_ou | 12/21/05
Super response- much better than mine!!  whieber | 12/21/05
Multitasking  davidr69 | 12/21/05
Linux just isn't ready for other reasons.  theoldman59 | 12/21/05
That's a catch 22  george_ou | 12/21/05
Hmmm, I wonder  tombalablomba | 12/21/05
I think he means without emulators  george_ou | 12/21/05
Emulator indeed it was  tombalablomba | 12/22/05
Funny MS Office runs faster in VMWare under Linux host  george_ou | 12/22/05
Funny MS Office runs faster in VMWare under Linux host  george_ou | 12/22/05
it could  tombalablomba | 12/22/05
Just checked it  tombalablomba | 12/22/05
You are quite correct, no emulators plus. . .  theoldman59 | 12/22/05
software  zara994x | 12/21/05
Did you really look?  Linux User 147560 | 12/21/05
STEPHEN SARIN!!! WOULD YOU GUY'S PUT THE STUPID  Linux User 147560 | 12/21/05
OK  S.Howard-SarinZDNet Moderator | 12/24/05
.  Linux User 147560 | 12/27/05
Thank you!  Linux User 147560 | 12/27/05
All wonderful except  theoldman59 | 12/22/05
Who are the industry leaders?  Linux User 147560 | 12/22/05
You have a point, and it works against Linux  theoldman59 | 12/22/05
Simple  Linux User 147560 | 12/22/05
Not so simple  theoldman59 | 12/22/05
Do you drive a car or own one?  Linux User 147560 | 12/22/05
well, at least you know what the right tool for the right job is  ~doolittle~ | 12/25/05
Comparison  chromeronin | 12/21/05
haha I find it humorous  jackie40d@... | 12/21/05
Try running Open Office on Windows  FallGuy7254 | 12/21/05
Linux vs Windows XP  done@... | 12/21/05
Very good point!  george_ou | 12/21/05
Linux apps are the biggest problem overall.  Narg | 12/21/05
Isn't that what RPMs are all about?  Michael Kelly | 12/21/05
RPM doesn't work for everything  george_ou | 12/21/05
RPM Is Broke  Edward Meyers | 12/21/05
RPM Is Broke  done@... | 12/22/05
Go Over To Source Forge  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
"Commerical" software - defined  done@... | 12/22/05
And  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
Yast  D. T. Schmitz | 12/21/05
And yum  Richard Flude | 12/24/05
Dissapointed  tombalablomba | 12/22/05
TomB  D. T. Schmitz | 12/22/05
Are you using an installer?  NetArch. | 12/21/05
I tried - believe me I tried..  done@... | 12/22/05
I just did a quick Google....  NetArch. | 12/23/05
definitely use whatever package manager for your distro  ~doolittle~ | 12/21/05
Windows has been faster since NT 4.0  Narg | 12/21/05
Faster than What??!  JuggerNaut_z | 12/21/05
Thanks!  NonmaskableInt | 12/21/05
WinXP Pro versus Linux  bravogulf_z | 12/21/05
"facts" vs what George Ou "knows"  lwparrish | 12/21/05
Completely out of context  george_ou | 12/21/05
bad recommendations  lwparrish | 12/21/05
Most people don't have this problem  george_ou | 12/21/05
Most people you know??  lwparrish | 12/21/05
Lab VS Real life - Completely different  AuzzieBob | 12/21/05
Depends on what junk you load  george_ou | 12/21/05
Depends on what junk you load  Protagonistic | 12/22/05
Reboot for static IP? Are you kidding?  george_ou | 12/21/05
I'm certainly not kidding!!  JuggerNaut_z | 12/21/05
Have not had that problem  george_ou | 12/21/05
First impressions count  wendor | 12/21/05
more to the point  zara994x | 12/21/05
LOL  wendor | 12/22/05
anecdotal  zara994x | 12/22/05
Study?  wendor | 12/22/05
study  zara994x | 12/22/05
Linux wins but openoffice loses  dimonic | 12/21/05
Why not have experts tune?  wendor | 12/21/05
network  zara994x | 12/21/05
Hundreds  wendor | 12/21/05
post  zara994x | 12/21/05
which OS *needs* post-install tuning.  wendor | 12/22/05
Both Do  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
tuning  zara994x | 12/22/05
plug-and-pray  ~doolittle~ | 12/23/05
Why not have experts tune?  Protagonistic | 12/22/05
fine tuning xp?  corticus | 12/22/05
Why not have experts tune?  wendor | 12/22/05
The facts don't back you up  george_ou | 12/21/05
boot  zara994x | 12/21/05
You just didn't bother to read  george_ou | 12/22/05
SO what are the real numbers using just defaults?  B.O.F.H. | 12/22/05
yes i did read  zara994x | 12/22/05
boot  wendor | 12/22/05
boot  zara994x | 12/22/05
boot ...login  zara994x | 12/22/05
facts  zara994x | 12/21/05
your facts don't apply to this case  wendor | 12/22/05
A Nit  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
A Nit  wendor | 12/22/05
Its the title, the wording, and the text block  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
flawed premises  zara994x | 12/22/05
flawed premises  zara994x | 12/22/05
Who cares about boot times?  tharbour1 | 12/21/05
With you  D. T. Schmitz | 12/22/05
George Ou wants you to waste money  lwparrish | 12/21/05
Apple  D. T. Schmitz | 12/22/05
Who cares about boot times?  tharbour1 | 12/21/05
Just every non-techie user in the world.  IT Scion | 12/22/05
linux V Windows perfomance.Who Cares?  tharbour1 | 12/21/05
BeOS versus Windows XP!  JuggerNaut_z | 12/21/05
BeOS?  wendor | 12/22/05
George Ou... how do you respond?  Linux User 147560 | 12/21/05
Forgot to add  Linux User 147560 | 12/21/05
Forgot to add... again!  Linux User 147560 | 12/21/05
Since the hard drive is the bottleneck nowadays  Michael Kelly | 12/22/05
I agree  Linux User 147560 | 12/22/05
One problem  george_ou | 12/22/05
clue -PLEASE GET ONE  zara994x | 12/22/05
Here's YOUR clue.  wendor | 12/22/05
Of that 93%  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
tweaking  zara994x | 12/22/05
a clue 4 u  zara994x | 12/22/05
Exactly  wendor | 12/22/05
linspire  zara994x | 12/22/05
linspire  wendor | 12/22/05
I replied to this post...  Linux User 147560 | 12/22/05
And you don't think this helps Windows?  george_ou | 12/27/05
Never said it didn't  Linux User 147560 | 12/27/05
the stock response  zara994x | 12/22/05
target customers  wendor | 12/22/05
desktop definition  zara994x | 12/22/05
I am amazed that there are still people who try to use reason  michael_t | 12/21/05
point  zara994x | 12/21/05
I am sure that even a customized SUSE  michael_t | 12/22/05
but  zara994x | 12/22/05
performing meaningful tasks with default install  jobranovich@... | 12/27/05
The point is...  ye | 12/24/05
So you pitch an old OS against a new What about vista  jailer1 | 12/21/05
Why not?  megame | 12/26/05
Goerge is a self declared novice  ZMarjan | 12/22/05
Novice  D. T. Schmitz | 12/22/05
Baseball  D. T. Schmitz | 12/22/05
self-declared novice  zara994x | 12/22/05
Comparison app incorrect  putt1ck | 12/22/05
Wait a minute???  ejcrist | 12/22/05
Dude who pays you?  Laff | 12/22/05
Properly configured system a must  dmhspam | 12/22/05
It's default configurations versus default  george_ou | 12/23/05
As the saying goes  DannyO_0x98 | 12/22/05
I call BS again  voska | 12/22/05
Another non-starter from George  Chad_z | 12/22/05
Microsoft is baddly bloated  voska | 12/22/05
Microsoft is baddly bloated  voska | 12/22/05
Making a full and fair comparison  grstanley0 | 12/22/05
pointless drivel  corton | 12/22/05
pointless  D. T. Schmitz | 12/22/05
Desktop Linux versus Windows XP shootout  Protagonistic | 12/22/05
The next carrot is out there now, Folks  NonCartoonist | 12/22/05
Hey, I use Linux  george_ou | 12/22/05
Sorry, George, you're the referee  NonCartoonist | 12/22/05
Good analogies  george_ou | 12/22/05
convert..great!  zara994x | 12/22/05
One very useful thing we owe George for !!!  zara994x | 12/22/05
Ou - weee!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 12/22/05
Loading/Boot times?? - Who cares?!?  CxO_trainee | 12/22/05
I'll tell you who cares  wendor | 12/22/05
Boot times  Protagonistic | 12/22/05
Obviously a slanted test  mackerel | 12/22/05
You're measuring maximum potential  Michael Kelly | 12/22/05
Test is Bogus from the Get GO  larrybum | 12/22/05
Stability?!?  jmccormick79 | 12/22/05
Okay George, after tuning...  Linux User 147560 | 12/22/05
It's no longer a coding issue  Michael Kelly | 12/22/05
Someone needs to repackage Linux then  george_ou | 12/22/05
There is...  Linux Advocate | 12/22/05
Beg to differ with this one George.  Linux User 147560 | 12/22/05
You can set up / on FAT  Michael Kelly | 12/22/05
Good to know!  Linux User 147560 | 12/22/05
init 3  zara994x | 12/22/05
Suse targets  wendor | 12/22/05
use it  zara994x | 12/22/05
mainly  zara994x | 12/22/05
Its Already Been Tweaked  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
yea  zara994x | 12/22/05
slick..super  zara994x | 12/22/05
SUSE Has Already Been Repackaged  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
Windows does HW detection on startup too...  ye | 12/24/05
another, sadly, typically overly simplistic bot response  zara994x | 12/24/05
I was...  ye | 12/24/05
please..just answer  zara994x | 12/24/05
Standard Linux fanboi reponse: Ad Hominem  ye | 12/24/05
nothin personal..u just cant answer  zara994x | 12/24/05
Unable to answer or chose not to answer?  ye | 12/24/05
dialog vs name calling and one-liners  zara994x | 12/25/05
It's the Linux fanboi's who...  ye | 12/26/05
It does?  Linux User 147560 | 12/27/05
repackage SUSE linux you mean  hipparchus2001 | 12/26/05
Mainstream desktop software  jcbick | 12/22/05
niche ? the sound and fury  zara994x | 12/24/05
Who cares how quickly it loads  dougbatchelder | 12/22/05
Consumers care  wendor | 12/22/05
ummm  IT Scion | 12/22/05
If George Ou does not understand how  michael_t | 12/22/05
You seem upset  NonZealot | 12/22/05
shares  zara994x | 12/22/05
No such thing as shares in "Linux"  NonZealot | 12/22/05
linux  zara994x | 12/22/05
Funny that  stepfeb | 12/22/05
Point out where I called him a name  NonZealot | 12/22/05
Funny that  stepfeb | 12/22/05
Funny that  stepfeb | 12/22/05
I am annoyed by  michael_t | 12/22/05
define "acceptable"  CobraA1 | 12/22/05
Want to see lightning fast reboots?  Steve Z | 12/22/05
Boot vs. Reboot  wendor | 12/22/05
Consider how booting process differs between Windows and Linux  SGT_Spam | 12/22/05
One more thing...  SGT_Spam | 12/22/05
non-tech users  wendor | 12/22/05
right..but even more and bigger diff in boot  zara994x | 12/23/05
MSerry Xmas to you and all - "OPEN" office's, bring on a competitor!!!!!  zdnet reader | 12/22/05
Open Microsoft software  george_ou | 12/22/05
Don't get discouraged and eat the $100 PC. They're only good with BBQ sauce  zdnet reader | 12/24/05
I'm a Linux Desktop User and George Ou is Right  eliwap | 12/22/05
linux ?  zara994x | 12/22/05
Depends on the setup for low-end  ~doolittle~ | 12/24/05
knoppix...  ~doolittle~ | 12/24/05
Why is this in the NEWS section?(nt)  el1jones | 12/22/05
Linux is not being compared to Windows here  ChazzMatt | 12/22/05
As far as consumers care, they are  wendor | 12/22/05
Honestly  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
Exactly  wendor | 12/22/05
non techi response to article  rohn_z | 12/22/05
I know you would argue differently  georgep_z | 12/22/05
Setting up xp  deowll | 12/22/05
Right on  rcb_z | 12/22/05
booting..  zara994x | 12/23/05
desktop use  rcb_z | 12/25/05
where to begin ?  zara994x | 12/25/05
where should *I* begin  rcb_z | 12/25/05
Correction: Linux boot process is doing different...  ye | 12/26/05
Something to think about  Steve Z | 12/22/05
ZDNet is a disgrace to Journalism and I.T.  IT-sys | 12/22/05
I feel really bad... not  S.Howard-SarinZDNet Moderator | 12/24/05
Get Real  bigpicture | 12/22/05
What's The Point  bigpicture | 12/22/05
Choosing Linux  stepfeb | 12/22/05
Puppy Linux  georger457@... | 12/22/05
Farines from George? haha  rarsa | 12/22/05
Puppy's Stats  Edward Meyers | 12/22/05
Why won't Windows load on this system?  ye | 12/24/05
George's fariness? haha  rarsa | 12/22/05
Not sure that I would recommend this...  ye | 12/24/05
George's fairnes? haha  rarsa | 12/22/05
Well, if your O?S Crashes all the time..  xkmail | 12/22/05
There's 1 thing useful out of this after all...  IT-sys | 12/22/05
A True Shootout!  robertandrade@... | 12/22/05
Superb  D. T. Schmitz | 12/24/05
not sure *I* like  D. T. Schmitz | 12/24/05
Insult  D. T. Schmitz | 12/24/05
Load times? FPS?  GeekBoy_z | 12/23/05
You mean like this?  george_ou | 12/24/05
Compare apples with apples, George  pierrejvr | 12/23/05
comparison assumptions  zara994x | 12/23/05
X comparison to Xp gui  zara994x | 12/23/05
Looks like you are the clueless one.  toadlife | 12/24/05
u gotta be kidding  zara994x | 12/24/05
I thought we were talking about DESKTOP linux?  toadlife | 12/25/05
u gotta be kidding--Cygwin/X ???  zara994x | 12/24/05
I think you might need some sun  toadlife | 12/25/05
by all means speak  zara994x | 12/25/05
by all means speak  zara994x | 12/25/05
Speak what?  toadlife | 12/25/05
Speak what?  toadlife | 12/25/05
ok ..tell us all ..application server  zara994x | 12/24/05
sure  toadlife | 12/25/05
terminal sevices  zara994x | 12/25/05
Simple but Telling - Windows Wins  jpr75_z | 12/23/05
Have You Been Reading The Comments  Edward Meyers | 12/23/05
Yes!!!  robertandrade@... | 12/23/05
Again, stop comparing a crippled XP machine  george_ou | 12/24/05
wow..u gotta be kiddin..how long does it take ou to get it??  zara994x | 12/24/05
wow..u gotta be kiddin..how long does it take ou to get it??  zara994x | 12/24/05
codebase  zara994x | 12/24/05
LOL, actually George it does!  Linux User 147560 | 12/27/05
Can you read?  robertandrade@... | 12/23/05
chump...george , PLEASE let a guru tune the suse box  zara994x | 12/23/05
silly..supercomputers..linux champ hands down  zara994x | 12/23/05
Windows Wins... At what cost?  ~doolittle~ | 12/23/05
It just goes to show ...  mwagner@... | 12/23/05
Linux is a mess  rcb_z | 12/23/05
do u have any thing specific?  zara994x | 12/23/05
Linux is a mess  rcb_z | 12/23/05
noob--u obviously are  zara994x | 12/23/05
zara  D. T. Schmitz | 12/23/05
yea  zara994x | 12/23/05
They won't get it...  Edward Meyers | 12/23/05
SUPER  D. T. Schmitz | 12/24/05
Still Won't Install  Edward Meyers | 12/24/05
Supercomputing desktop  megame | 12/26/05
bring order to chaos  ~doolittle~ | 12/25/05
Good Lord  D. T. Schmitz | 12/23/05
George is trying to crash the ZDnet server! (nt)  ~doolittle~ | 12/24/05
Oh the Humanity!  D. T. Schmitz | 12/23/05
Scaredy Cats  D. T. Schmitz | 12/23/05
Weren't you the one who recommended Prelink?  Edward Meyers | 12/23/05
Who me?  D. T. Schmitz | 12/24/05
Not the real issue...  broper | 12/24/05
Interesting point  D. T. Schmitz | 12/24/05
This is just dishonestly freakish  smchris | 12/24/05
A supposedly serious article?  smchris | 12/24/05
Not a serious article  smchris | 12/24/05
Oh, so only load times determine how fast an OS is? (sigh)  HypnoToad | 12/24/05
nothing proven because it cant be  zara994x | 12/24/05
Nope, but they are easy to test against  megame | 12/26/05
linux ?  zara994x | 12/26/05
Just for the record: It doesn't matter.  ye | 12/26/05
irrelevant  zara994x | 12/27/05
toad--speak what?  zara994x | 12/27/05
George !!!! This just in, Xp wins install time !!!  zara994x | 12/24/05
You're a really sore loser...  ye | 12/24/05
say something please?????  zara994x | 12/24/05
I did: You're a very sore loser.  ye | 12/24/05
what is telling  zara994x | 12/24/05
I will sorehead  osreinstall | 12/24/05
joke  zara994x | 12/24/05
Whatever dude  osreinstall | 12/24/05
another cluless post  zara994x | 12/24/05
You are a clueless sorehead zara.  osreinstall | 12/24/05
sorehead ? not interested in name calling  zara994x | 12/24/05
You speak of OS quality  osreinstall | 12/25/05
Why do you think it's fair to compare...  ye | 12/26/05
yammering ?  zara994x | 12/26/05
We know exactly which servers: The default ones.  ye | 12/26/05
The reason you are sick of it, is because you are a zealot.  osreinstall | 12/26/05
the default services  zara994x | 12/26/05
As given in the article: OpenSUSE 10.0  ye | 12/26/05
turning off services  zara994x | 12/26/05
Benchmark  zara994x | 12/26/05
Hey moron I told you I never said all  osreinstall | 12/26/05
hey moron?  zara994x | 12/26/05
A little bit about TTY's...  ye | 12/26/05
more about ttys  zara994x | 12/26/05
How long are you going to harp on this.  osreinstall | 12/26/05
Why did I know that you'd continue making excuses?  ye | 12/26/05
harping  zara994x | 12/26/05
That dog wont hunt.  osreinstall | 12/26/05
Why are the differences important?  ye | 12/26/05
Hey you 3!  Linux Advocate | 12/27/05
They are important because that was criteria of the test.  osreinstall | 12/27/05
optimize them both  zara994x | 12/26/05
Go ahead...I look forward to your results.  ye | 12/26/05
Re: remote desktop ..vnc..hello..THEY DO NOT SCALE  ye | 12/27/05
I'm thinking that...  ye | 12/27/05
why the differences are important  zara994x | 12/26/05
They are not important...  ye | 12/26/05
Why did I know that you'd continue making excuses?  ye | 12/26/05
once again why the differences are important  zara994x | 12/26/05
differences..i'll put up..u can just  zara994x | 12/26/05
remote desktop ..scale for one ..ha ha ha!  zara994x | 12/27/05
you're thinking?  zara994x | 12/27/05
What you're doing is...  ye | 12/27/05
No..what u r doing..  zara994x | 12/27/05
NOT MULTIUSER--SINGLE USER  zara994x | 12/27/05
linux advocate--boot differences  zara994x | 12/27/05
Dude...  Linux User 147560 | 12/27/05
challenge # 2 put up or Shu% up shootout  zara994x | 12/27/05
linux user ..yea..looks like a "get the facts" forum  zara994x | 12/27/05
linux lost what? being a victim of malware?  ~doolittle~ | 12/24/05
Yo!  D. T. Schmitz | 12/24/05
detail ..stick to the issues  zara994x | 12/24/05
manners  zara994x | 12/27/05
Riiiiigggghhhtttt...  ye | 12/27/05
The incompetent don't know Linux  zdnet_reader | 12/24/05
Rational  wendor | 12/27/05
I already benched both.  osreinstall | 12/24/05
wow ..i get no such data  zara994x | 12/24/05
wow ..i get no such data  zara994x | 12/24/05
Must be different hardware  osreinstall | 12/25/05
illogical..just observations  zara994x | 12/25/05
Yes you are very illogical.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
lab? you are a lab now?  zara994x | 12/25/05
Run along now.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
dude..let the clustering community know  zara994x | 12/24/05
dude..let the clustering community know  zara994x | 12/24/05
This was a desktop enviroment test.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
yea..but was it even a test ?  zara994x | 12/25/05
Mine was a test. You are cheerleading.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
????  zara994x | 12/25/05
Your obsessed religious one.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
samba..no big deal!  zara994x | 12/25/05
Making up test that do not mean squat.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
tests that mean nothin osreinistall  zara994x | 12/25/05
They would probably go faster on BSD.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
purpose in dialog  zara994x | 12/25/05
Not with you bucko.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
religious ? you are = you're  zara994x | 12/25/05
Yes you are. And contractions are not mandatory.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
tests ? the topics were boot time and app launches osreinstall  zara994x | 12/25/05
Have you read the article?  osreinstall | 12/25/05
confused  zara994x | 12/25/05
Have you ever been to the races?  osreinstall | 12/25/05
been to the races -- Do u get it now osreinstall ???  zara994x | 12/25/05
You are very stupid.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
hilarious! a linux box with NO services..  zara994x | 12/25/05
80 Seconds- You are full of it  Edward Meyers | 12/25/05
More Hilarious. You thinking a client needs them.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
Hey Ernie Meyer. I am talking Distros here.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
Those Are Distros  Edward Meyers | 12/25/05
NO services says osinstall ..u said it , not me!!! too funny!!!  zara994x | 12/25/05
Meyer, a distro is a full install.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
You always take everything literally.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
1 1/5 minutes to boot ? joke..make us all laugh  zara994x | 12/25/05
You are not only stupid, but you are also crazy.  osreinstall | 12/25/05
i am stupid and crazy ???  zara994x | 12/25/05
darn it..i misspelling!!!!  zara994x | 12/25/05
o no, bad grammar !!!!  zara994x | 12/25/05
o no, bad grammar !!!!  zara994x | 12/25/05
You said all services not me.  osreinstall | 12/26/05
A desktop kernel?  zara994x | 12/26/05
Never made it to desktop butthead..  osreinstall | 12/26/05
butthead..profound  zara994x | 12/26/05
put up or shut %p ..X app server..open challenge  zara994x | 12/26/05
put up or shut %p ..X app server..open challenge  zara994x | 12/26/05
put up or shut %p ..X app server..open challenge  zara994x | 12/26/05
BUHAHAHAHAHA!!!  osreinstall | 12/26/05
wow.. more depth of thought ..buhahahah  zara994x | 12/26/05
linux on X= heavywight champ Xp= middleweight pretender  zara994x | 12/26/05
Challenge met:  ye | 12/27/05
challenge not even close to met  zara994x | 12/27/05
The topic was a desktop enviroment you linux jihadist.  osreinstall | 12/27/05
yes desktop was the topic  zara994x | 12/27/05
remote desktop ..vnc..hello..THEY DO NOT SCALE  zara994x | 12/27/05
challenge not even close to met ..remote desktop --ALLOWS A USER  zara994x | 12/27/05
Challenge Met  ye | 12/27/05
dear ye..what are u thinking?  zara994x | 12/27/05
X app server challenges ..none met  zara994x | 12/27/05
Challenge Met. Just because you...  ye | 12/27/05
ye u have meet no challenge ..just vague generalities  zara994x | 12/27/05
Challenge Met.  ye | 12/27/05
challenge .. not met..because u can't  zara994x | 12/27/05
real comparison benchmarks - linux wins?  ~doolittle~ | 12/24/05
Real easy Doolittle  osreinstall | 12/24/05
XP does boot faster, but real benchmarks...  ~doolittle~ | 12/24/05
Ubuntu is your best bet to date.  osreinstall | 12/24/05
Can't  D. T. Schmitz | 12/25/05
You're off by more than a YEAR...  rock06r | 12/26/05
You're off by more than a YEAR...  rock06r | 12/26/05
please, find some recent benchmarks and post them  ~doolittle~ | 12/26/05
Merry Christmas George  hipparchus2001 | 12/24/05
Merry Christmas Hipparchus2001  D. T. Schmitz | 12/24/05
Merry Christmas Dietrich  hipparchus2001 | 12/25/05
FI  D. T. Schmitz | 12/25/05
MSerry Xmas George, and order some fries with that Xmas $100PC bargain  zdnet reader | 12/24/05
He-he, you could have happy  george_ou | 12/25/05
Now you're talkin' George  zdnet reader | 12/25/05
why you'll be helping your buddy buy that 1 Gig Flash memory New Year?  zdnet reader | 12/26/05
Who is this guy?  Archie.Arevalo | 12/25/05
Reviewer Belongs On Childrens TV  dr_aaagh | 12/26/05
You haven't been following it  george_ou | 12/26/05
please define  zara994x | 12/26/05
Do it yourself...  ye | 12/26/05
George can you post Puppy times. Agreed it is basic  hipparchus2001 | 12/26/05
Comparing apples and oranges ...  fdediego | 12/26/05
Comparing apples and oranges ...  fdediego | 12/26/05
boot speed does not necessarily equal bloat  mobrien_12@... | 12/26/05
Interesting but useless data...  fdthomson@... | 12/27/05
Could you show more BIAS, please!!!!  ONEstar | 12/27/05
Answers  wendor | 12/27/05
You know nothing about linux  pescorilo | 12/27/05
Install options  wendor | 12/27/05
What do you know about LINUX?  pescorilo | 12/27/05
Linux  wendor | 12/27/05
how doe sssh and iptables et al ?  zara994x | 12/27/05
Unneeded stuff  wendor | 12/28/05
unneed stuff = bloat ?  zara994x | 12/29/05
unneeded stuff = bloat ?  zara994x | 12/29/05
807 posts...  Anton Philidor | 12/27/05
I'll call it a day  tombalablomba | 12/27/05
RE: Meyer, a distro is a full install.  Linux User 147560 | 12/27/05
Not really  osreinstall | 12/27/05
Not chicken no need to prove you wrong.  Linux User 147560 | 12/27/05
Yea Sure. SeeYa later.  osreinstall | 12/27/05
And thanks for making the other guy's point as well as proving  Linux User 147560 | 12/27/05
and a very difficult point to make! ha ha  zara994x | 12/27/05
That other guy was bring up services Joe Sixpack would never use.  osreinstall | 12/27/05
where do u get your data  zara994x | 12/27/05
..strangely silent  zara994x | 12/27/05
Remote desktop is a very rare task  osreinstall | 12/27/05
app servers  zara994x | 12/27/05
Wow, this has been quite an interesting dialog...  Linux User 147560 | 12/27/05
Funny how not one single Windows guy  Linux Guy 1000 | 12/28/05
I don't recall anyone but Linux fanboi's...  ye | 12/28/05
Well if look into some of the  Linux Guy 1000 | 12/28/05
name callers...  zara994x | 12/28/05
You started it.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
details  zara994x | 12/28/05
I gave you some details but you don't like that either.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
Examples please...  ye | 12/28/05
Still waiting...  ye | 12/29/05
Yes, please do.  ye | 12/28/05
Still waiting...  ye | 12/29/05
You and I engaged before  osreinstall | 12/28/05
the thread of logic???  zara994x | 12/28/05
What you missing is...  ye | 12/28/05
what ? huh? u never read the article..wow!  zara994x | 12/28/05
I can see how insecure Linux fanboi's...  ye | 12/28/05
a conclusion is an example ?  zara994x | 12/28/05
Yes...  ye | 12/28/05
Thank you,  george_ou | 12/28/05
monolithic "linux" does not exist  zara994x | 12/28/05
Stop taking this so personally...  ye | 12/28/05
truth  zara994x | 12/28/05
I'll say you're not defending anything...  ye | 12/28/05
rhce  zara994x | 12/29/05
hmmm, i wonder  tombalablomba | 12/28/05
No kidding?  ye | 12/28/05
osreinstall  zara994x | 12/28/05
Whatever disinfo specialist.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
huh ? put up  zara994x | 12/28/05
The minute details do not matter.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
here's your 15 second linux boot to runlevel 5..SO WHAT ????  zara994x | 12/28/05
Challenege # 3 ..lets' have some fun..fastest to slowest boot  zara994x | 12/28/05
Now you give details  osreinstall | 12/28/05
the machine wont matter  zara994x | 12/28/05
You might want to tell the hardware folks that.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
The point is Windows is faster than linux on equal hardware.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
Well you Windows  Linux Guy 1000 | 12/28/05
Post the hardware setup or shutup.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
Sir  Mr. Peabody | 12/28/05
Are you the Church Lady?  osreinstall | 12/28/05
Ah!  Mr. Peabody | 12/28/05
And a crybaby too.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
A crybaby?  Mr. Peabody | 12/28/05
Yes you are a crybaby.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
I have no master  Mr. Peabody | 12/28/05
You are a piece of work.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
the name callers  zara994x | 12/28/05
Pot Kettle Black zara  osreinstall | 12/28/05
Like I said  Mr. Peabody | 12/28/05
Mapquest said you are full of it.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
Really?  Mr. Peabody | 12/28/05
Yes Really  osreinstall | 12/28/05
So is mine  Mr. Peabody | 12/28/05
Are you still whining? You casted the first stone.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
29 sec to kde gui ...the test is just one fixed lie after another  zara994x | 12/29/05
An observation  drew1313 | 12/28/05
I find it difficult to believe...  ye | 12/28/05
Finding files  tombalablomba | 12/28/05
Finding files on Linux is slow too...  ye | 12/28/05
Depends on the desktop environment you use  tombalablomba | 12/29/05
You're not comparing similar tasks...  ye | 12/29/05
You're right  tombalablomba | 12/30/05
I run my Linux systems  Mr. Peabody | 12/28/05
Ditto!  Linux is FUN! | 12/28/05
I would like to try Limitx  DuBob1234 | 12/28/05
I would like to try Limitx  DuBob1234 | 12/28/05
Work or Home  bbaxley@... | 12/28/05
Yea, but  drew1313 | 12/28/05
get linux info from linux people  zara994x | 12/28/05
Try (K)ubuntu then  tombalablomba | 12/28/05
Doncha just love zealots!  bstreet | 12/28/05
Linux Desktop slow?  tspencer@... | 12/28/05
Well when I reboot  drew1313 | 12/28/05
Why so many reboots  Boot_Agnostic | 01/01/06
Compare Apples to Apples: Compare Oo on both platforms  escoles@... | 12/28/05
apps on X  zara994x | 12/28/05
There you go again making excuses...  ye | 12/28/05
first comment of the day ye..wrong!!!!! as usual  zara994x | 12/28/05
He didn't use FC4...  ye | 12/28/05
the point is oo  zara994x | 12/28/05
Just because you have a beta...  ye | 12/28/05
beta  zara994x | 12/28/05
00 2.0.1  zara994x | 12/29/05
BFD? The Linux fanboi's...  ye | 12/29/05
BFD? The Linux fanboi's...  ye | 12/29/05
opensource ??  zara994x | 12/29/05
ye ... abiword vs Office  zara994x | 12/29/05
The open source community...  ye | 12/29/05
The open source community...  ye | 12/29/05
I don't recall saying that it wasn't fair...  ye | 12/29/05
The deductive reasoning of george ou !!!  zara994x | 12/29/05
The deductive reasoning of george ou !!! ooops ..corrected version  zara994x | 12/29/05
excuses ?  zara994x | 12/28/05
The Linux fanboi's need to choose...  ye | 12/28/05
choice? stop the sweeping generaliztions  zara994x | 12/28/05
Now who is generalizing  osreinstall | 12/28/05
So is Vista...  ye | 12/28/05
00 beta  zara994x | 12/28/05
I don't care...all I want is for you to pick a position...  ye | 12/28/05
my oo position  zara994x | 12/28/05
OO is not beta...  ye | 12/28/05
i have 00 2.0.0 beta  zara994x | 12/28/05
And the rest of the world has OO 2.0 RELEASE  ye | 12/28/05
2.0.0  zara994x | 12/29/05
2.0 is not beta...  ye | 12/29/05
wow.. i got an idea ..i think i'll believe my eyes  zara994x | 12/29/05
Just because you're using a beta doesn't mean...  ye | 12/29/05
OO is faster on Windows than on Linux  osreinstall | 12/28/05
save the effort  zara994x | 12/28/05
The truth hurts  osreinstall | 12/28/05
what?  zara994x | 12/28/05
They are clean installs.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
clean installs ?  zara994x | 12/28/05
I don't dual boot  osreinstall | 12/28/05
hardware  zara994x | 12/28/05
Hardware and what software to give you a number.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
Those would...  washburn | 12/28/05
good points  zara994x | 12/28/05
Sad but true  opensourcepro | 12/28/05
Win XP boot-up time is a facade  eisen6 | 12/28/05
Linux "load times"  dimonic | 12/28/05
init 3  zara994x | 12/28/05
Or a retail customer  osreinstall | 12/28/05
u dont know xfree from xorg how u gonna tweak "linux"??  zara994x | 12/28/05
I do not see the retail public adopting your baby.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
well now ,who does know linux, you or I ?  zara994x | 12/28/05
So you say.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
guilty as charged! :)) My Linux is 35 seconds  Rick S._z | 12/28/05
well osreinstall  zara994x | 12/29/05
hey rick ...29 secs from grub to kde.. duron 800  zara994x | 12/29/05
Re: well osreinstall  osreinstall | 12/29/05
specs kde  zara994x | 12/29/05
Well you might as well stop posting your results then.  osreinstall | 12/29/05
specs ..i gave them all  zara994x | 12/29/05
All right. Be that way.  osreinstall | 12/29/05
All right then  zara994x | 12/29/05
boot process  zara994x | 12/28/05
Hardware  osreinstall | 12/28/05
the real problem is u dont know  zara994x | 12/28/05
X vs xp gui ..it's no contest..ko first round.. X wins  zara994x | 12/28/05
You are full of it  osreinstall | 12/28/05
put up or shut up.. give us your app server on default xp  zara994x | 12/28/05
I already put up  osreinstall | 12/28/05
u put up an xp app server ? ha ha ha  zara994x | 12/28/05
Come'on tell the rest  osreinstall | 12/28/05
35 sec boot  zara994x | 12/28/05
Still not detailed enough  osreinstall | 12/28/05
fc4 28 second boot time  zara994x | 12/28/05
fc4 21 sec runlevel 5 startup  zara994x | 12/28/05
28 seconds after optimizing Linux?  ye | 12/28/05
28 sec  zara994x | 12/28/05
28 sec  zara994x | 12/28/05
Stripped down...that's the problem...  ye | 12/28/05
twm ..full funtionality  zara994x | 12/28/05
That is better.  osreinstall | 12/28/05
So let me see if I've got this right...  ye | 12/28/05
comparable processes osreinstall  zara994x | 12/28/05
no..u dont have it right  zara994x | 12/28/05
getting it right  zara994x | 12/28/05
You didn't read me right  osreinstall | 12/28/05
valid test ?  zara994x | 12/28/05
All you've been able to demonstrate is...  ye | 12/28/05
Then why is KDE the default?  ye | 12/28/05
kde  zara994x | 12/28/05
why kde ?  zara994x | 12/28/05
what i have been able to show  zara994x | 12/28/05
What you've shown is that a Linux system that...  ye | 12/28/05
why kde 2 ..  zara994x | 12/28/05
KDE is the default because...  ye | 12/28/05
stripped down  zara994x | 12/28/05
kde is the default because  zara994x | 12/28/05
The problem is that you've...  ye | 12/28/05
The question is: Why did they decide...  ye | 12/28/05
stripping and bloat  zara994x | 12/28/05
xp stability  zara994x | 12/28/05
why did they decide..again  zara994x | 12/28/05
You keep avoiding the question...  ye | 12/28/05
Yes, you are exaggerating...  ye | 12/28/05
take the mystery out of it  zara994x | 12/28/05
what do u lose ?  zara994x | 12/28/05
xp 4 months  zara994x | 12/28/05
4 month figure  zara994x | 12/28/05
read ahead an read ahead early services  zara994x | 12/28/05
RE: xp 4 months  ye | 12/29/05
zara, you are going at it wrong for the masses.  osreinstall | 12/29/05
wrong for the masses?  zara994x | 12/29/05
That makes sense!  drew1313 | 12/28/05
Using Adobe Color Management  Rick S._z | 12/29/05
Mr. Ou first Thank you  Mr. Peabody | 12/28/05
Interesting  tero@... | 12/28/05
Mandriva/Mandrake 2006 versus 10.1  Rick S._z | 12/29/05
Re:Mandriva/Mandrake 2006 versus 10.1  tero@... | 12/29/05
Glad to hear you've used Mandriva-2006  Rick S._z | 12/29/05
It is already in my To-Do list  tero@... | 12/29/05
It is already in my To-Do list  tero@... | 12/29/05
It is already in my To-Do list -  tero@... | 12/29/05
So WindowsXP beats Linux in boot up? And this is big how?  Linux User 147560 | 12/28/05
So WindowsXP beats Linux in boot up? And this is big how?  tracy anne | 12/30/05
Is the booting time the only measurement we employ ?  Alireza A. | 12/28/05
Actual consumers  wendor | 12/28/05
These are very good points  tracy anne | 12/30/05
god points ?  zara994x | 12/30/05
Biased  xequence | 12/28/05
What madness is this?  baje_iceman | 12/28/05
SUSE=55 seconds? I load SERVER+DESKTOP faster!  Rick S._z | 12/28/05
yes..reality  zara994x | 12/28/05
It is a typical SUSE Linux startup as...  ye | 12/28/05
what?  zara994x | 12/28/05
hey ..here's a fantastic idea  zara994x | 12/28/05
reality..how about a dose for a change?  zara994x | 12/28/05
Linux vs Windows  rtarol | 12/29/05
Based on actual Corporate experience or application...  rtarol | 12/29/05
Based on actual Corporate experience or application...  rtarol | 12/29/05
Based on actual Corporate experience or application...  rtarol | 12/29/05
Litthle substance  fw12 | 12/29/05
Little substance  fw12 | 12/29/05
Why Suse/Kde ? A little dose of reality ..No Brainer!  zara994x | 12/29/05
Article is biased towards M$  jurkovichr@... | 12/29/05
Not a fair test for comparison  jurkovichr@... | 12/29/05
30 seconds to kde gui fc4 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! woooooot!!!  zara994x | 12/29/05
29 seconds to kde gui fc4!!!!! wooooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  zara994x | 12/29/05
Could desktop linux really be this fast ?? 29 sec -kde/ fedora core 4 ..  zara994x | 12/29/05
Same as My Results  Mustang1943@... | 12/29/05
your results  zara994x | 12/29/05
clean XP?  netguru_z | 12/29/05
Yes, don't load so much junk in the first place  george_ou | 12/29/05
fair what ?  zara994x | 12/29/05
dont load junk ? u mean scrap xp, right ?  zara994x | 12/29/05
dont load junk ? u mean scrap xp, right ?  zara994x | 12/29/05
autoexec.bat ...kde  zara994x | 12/29/05
Gnome startup speed!! ..shut off the splash screen !!!  zara994x | 12/29/05
REAL app times for the Real linux desktop..we are not suffering  zara994x | 12/29/05
I get different times  rgood@... | 12/29/05
Just for fun  Linux User 147560 | 12/29/05
challenege #4 tell me what's wrong with my Linux Desktop  zara994x | 12/30/05
Nothing at all. It was a comparison test.  osreinstall | 12/30/05
well..look at my app times  zara994x | 12/30/05
I asked u for compelling reasons that woudl make me inxtall Xp  zara994x | 12/30/05
I overlooked this.  osreinstall | 12/30/05
nothin compelling there for me !  zara994x | 12/30/05
fine desktop..and it's secure  zara994x | 12/30/05
The only reason would be  Linux User 147560 | 12/31/05
Games ..yes ..but tuxgames and transgaming  zara994x | 12/31/05
More than just games Bubba. Try a whole ecosystem.  osreinstall | 12/31/05
And yet with all that speed  Linux User 147560 | 12/31/05
RE: More than just games Bubba. Try a whole ecosystem.  Linux User 147560 | 12/31/05
You are not safe either with ceramic steel matrix.  osreinstall | 12/31/05
you again ?  zara994x | 12/31/05
you again ?  zara994x | 12/31/05
wow ..every time u say anything abotu lx, u display amazing ignorance  zara994x | 12/31/05
dude..just sit down  zara994x | 12/31/05
we dont care because u are a nooob who will never know  zara994x | 12/31/05
Distinguish X from linux per se..just once  zara994x | 12/31/05
Whatever you say zaraboy.  osreinstall | 12/31/05
whatever u say osmangler  zara994x | 12/31/05
You were not paying attention again.  osreinstall | 12/31/05
hmmm guess u messed it up  zara994x | 12/31/05
osmangler--get the krenel-devel package  zara994x | 12/31/05
osmangler ..it was my ex-wife tripping over computer junk  zara994x | 12/31/05
Great experiment  Boot_Agnostic | 12/30/05
Of Course Linux is Slower  RimaDog@... | 12/30/05
ut on xp vs quake 3 on linux --  zara994x | 12/30/05
TWM and FLUXBOX SMOKE XP TO GUI from Login! YIPEEEE!!!!!!!!  zara994x | 12/30/05
TWM and FLUXBOX SMOKE XP TO GUI from Login! YIPEEEE!!!!!!!!  zara994x | 12/30/05
Then Gimp on linux loads faster than adobe pshop 7 on XP !!!!!!!!  zara994x | 12/30/05
countless examples of linux apps launching faster..so what??  zara994x | 12/30/05
challenge # 5  zara994x | 12/31/05
The mythical suse box..never a reality  zara994x | 12/31/05
osmangler ..unorganized thoughts ?  zara994x | 12/31/05
Hey Tourette's Boy you going to make a New Years Resolution?  osreinstall | 12/31/05
new year's res? sure..use xp even less  zara994x | 12/31/05
how about u ? like take a class in symbolic logic?  zara994x | 12/31/05
and btw it's "rm -rf / not rm /* "  zara994x | 12/31/05
No I didn't.  osreinstall | 12/31/05
not on linux/unix idiot..throw yer dos in the garbage where it belongs.  zara994x | 12/31/05
so what? u have to descend into the directory compuker  zara994x | 12/31/05
Here, I dug it up for ya!  osreinstall | 12/31/05
yea..sorry it needs to say  zara994x | 12/31/05
yea ..it's wrong osmangler  zara994x | 12/31/05
" rm -r /* " will leave u up all night smart guy  zara994x | 12/31/05
rm -r /* works for BSD  osreinstall | 01/01/06
wrong again...andu meant it for linux not bsd ..and what shell ?  zara994x | 01/01/06
BSD is a Unix evolvement.  osreinstall | 01/01/06
file system ? shuuuuush osmangler  zara994x | 01/01/06
this just in: osmangler says linux on clusters can never work!  zara994x | 01/01/06
this just in: osmangler says "linux on web..o no!"  zara994x | 01/01/06
In defence of Linux  Max2008 | 01/01/06
In defence of Linux  Max2008 | 01/01/06
In defence of Linux  Max2008 | 01/01/06
In defence of Linux  Max2008 | 01/01/06
Well, at least this article got you posters talking  Boot_Agnostic | 01/01/06
Too much time on your hands  Autodoc99 | 01/01/06
Too much time on your hands  Autodoc99 | 01/01/06
tweaks for linspire?  zara994x | 01/01/06
Abiword on Linux , 2 sec ..M$ word on Xp , 3 sec ..clearly Linux is faster  zara994x | 01/02/06
A question about the test  hoozafrizitz | 01/02/06
What a JOKE of an article!  MikeMelancholic | 01/02/06
What a JOKE of an article!  MikeMelancholic | 01/02/06
Interesting comparison  Anti_Zealot | 01/03/06
Excellent "Real World" Comparison  keymonkey | 01/03/06
Real World ?  zara994x | 01/03/06
I wonder how well UNIX would do ...  mwagner@... | 01/17/06
just a thought on XP versus Linspire  rldc1_2000@... | 01/18/06
The XP "Slowdown" Effect  jason.p.vos@... | 01/27/06
Linux should stop "impressing" Windows users!  patoo | 01/27/06
great  hsinghal | 02/05/06
I still prefer Linux  rtarol | 02/24/06
synaptic  nighttiger@... | 03/09/06
who republished this spew!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 03/09/06
Linux Boots Complete and Faster, XP Cheats  resteb | 03/10/06
Linux good for personal use, not anything else  chris.schoen@... | 03/15/06
what we'll never know...  tfarrell67 | 10/12/06
had to add...  Wight13 | 02/21/07
RE: Desktop Linux versus Windows XP shootout  ITsupportGuy | 09/09/07
RE: Desktop Linux versus Windows XP shootout  DuBob1234 | 07/31/09

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