Well said, except...
Anton Philidor | 04/19/06
|

Except what?
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
yawn
barsteward | 04/19/06
|
 
Not a disagreement...
Anton Philidor | 04/19/06
|
  
And that would be a rhetorical question
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
I don't think Microsoft is laughing...
Anton Philidor | 04/19/06
|
    
Nah, wouldn't have changed anything
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
File Formats Vs. Applications
DannyO_0x98 | 04/20/06
|
   
Good reasons abound
diogenius | 05/14/06
|

Please explain
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/19/06
|
Dang it George...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/19/06
|

Wow
Shelendrea | 04/19/06
|

Shills think alike!
Roger Ramjet | 04/20/06
|
By all means, George
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/19/06
|

That's false though
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
Sure George
Edward Meyers | 04/19/06
|
  
Give me an example
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
Let me check with my boss
bidemytime | 04/20/06
|
   
Backwards complexibility
pkr@... | 04/20/06
|
  
Show me one!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/19/06
|
   
Don, Don, Don...
#_z | 05/04/06
|
  
Don't Generalize
ZappBrannigan | 04/20/06
|
 
But his primary point remains
Michael Kelly | 04/19/06
|
  
MS Office is the most widely used format, not ODF
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
Start x before engaging y
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/19/06
|
   
Universally compatible? ROFLMAO!
Tsu Dho Nimh | 04/20/06
|
    
No real macro virus threat on OOo, either
diogenius | 05/14/06
|
 
Not completely...
Patrick Jones | 04/19/06
|
 
If the MS converter works
zdnet reader | 04/20/06
|

But so what about memory dumps?
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
You forget one of the basics
tombalablomba | 04/19/06
|
  
So me a real human that reads XML
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
  
Show me a real human that reads XML
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
Raises hand
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/19/06
|
    
So we all need to suffer then?
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
Which hurts more?
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/19/06
|
   
I tend to do
tombalablomba | 04/19/06
|
    
So that justifies making the rest of us suffer?
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
Nope
tombalablomba | 04/19/06
|
     
When you're an architect, you weigh the needs of the customer
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
If i where catering to consumers yess
tombalablomba | 04/19/06
|
     
Think time to market
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/19/06
|
     
Enterprises don't give a damn about ODF
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
They really care
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/20/06
|
   
You gotta be kidding!
jdsal989 | 04/19/06
|
    
You missed the point period
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
You're an idiot
jdsal989 | 04/19/06
|
     
jdsal989...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/19/06
|
     
tech expert? what a joke!
Scott W | 04/28/06
|
   
I do
Patrick Jones | 04/19/06
|
    
And so
Real World | 04/20/06
|
   
Imagine this (if you can)
bobjones68@... | 04/20/06
|
 
The right tool for the job
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/19/06
|
 
Sounds like many other things in life.
nucrash | 04/20/06
|
 
You're trusting _whose_ XML tokenisation?
diogenius | 05/14/06
|

Man guys, don't waste time arguing with the Dan Quail of reporters.
DonnieBoy | 04/29/06
|
I can see why
voska | 04/19/06
|

In gold?
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
George...
ju1ce | 04/19/06
|
  
Only on the read end
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
PDF isn't that slow?
ju1ce | 04/19/06
|
    
Engineering is always looking for better solutions
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
You think?
ju1ce | 04/20/06
|
 
I have another one...
ju1ce | 04/19/06
|
 
So When Is MS Going
Edward Meyers | 04/19/06
|
  
The application nor the OS has anyuthing to do with
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/19/06
|
   
ODF Is A Format
Edward Meyers | 04/19/06
|
 
I got another one...
ju1ce | 04/19/06
|
  
I got another... Damn it! When will it stop!
ju1ce | 04/19/06
|
   
Those are both binary formats
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
    
What's my point?
ju1ce | 04/20/06
|
     
Both are binary
Spacely Spacerockets | 04/20/06
|
  
Not what the TPC says
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
Apples and Nokias
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/19/06
|
    
Don't be silly
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
Make up your mind, George
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/19/06
|
  
Read the whole thread, then you'll understand
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
  
Dejavu
nizuse | 04/19/06
|
 
Slower is relative
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/19/06
|
  
C'mon
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
Believe what you will
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/20/06
|
   
Converters? Where are they George?
Tsu Dho Nimh | 04/20/06
|
 
Do the maths please
pkr@... | 04/20/06
|
  
THEY HAVE BEEN VERIFIED BY SUN!
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
   
Outta this world
pkrdk | 04/22/06
|
    
But the same data opens in 2 second in Excel
georgeou | 04/22/06
|
 
Slow is relative
voska | 04/21/06
|
 
and they still will
Scott W | 04/28/06
|

The first problem...
ju1ce | 04/19/06
|
 
They should really just use binary XML by default for load save
stevey_d | 04/19/06
|
 
Functionality
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
I think we should have Murphy make one up called...
ju1ce | 04/19/06
|

'make one up' is the key word
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
Really George...
ju1ce | 04/19/06
|
  
Funny, I was going to say the same about you.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/19/06
|
  
Here here
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
 
what about...
Scott W | 04/28/06
|
 
Yes it is closed
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
the real reason
lostarchitect | 04/19/06
|

There's OEM plus T&S editions
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
better, but not free.
lostarchitect | 04/19/06
|
  
My time is not free
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
a new test?
lostarchitect | 04/19/06
|
    
It's just my opinion, but...
zkiwi | 04/19/06
|
     
me too..
lostarchitect | 04/19/06
|
    
I'd like to see that, too!
jdsal989 | 04/19/06
|
     
see below
lostarchitect | 04/19/06
|
   
Did you miss his point about people scraping by?
zkiwi | 04/19/06
|
    
People scraping by copy MS Office
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
they do.
lostarchitect | 04/19/06
|
     
that's measuring with two measures
tombalablomba | 04/19/06
|
     
mm... condoning piracy now??????
barsteward | 04/19/06
|
     
It's always been my position
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
Hypocracy rules George
barsteward | 04/19/06
|
     
Oh but it is fair
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
There's a cheap version of Office...
Anton Philidor | 04/19/06
|
     
We already had a long discussion on this Anton
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
Other reason for Microsoft to be lenient...
Anton Philidor | 04/19/06
|
     
Anton and George - hypocrites of greatest kind
barsteward | 04/20/06
|
    
MS office slow?
stevey_d | 04/19/06
|
    
So your point is OO is not mature.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/19/06
|
     
Well...
zkiwi | 04/19/06
|
     
No, Sun said that, not me
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
George, I'm glad you're affluent
ebrke | 04/20/06
|
    
How about $100 for Office?
Anton Philidor | 04/20/06
|
   
Remember that when MSO trashes a large document
diogenius | 05/14/06
|
    
Isn't that hearsay?
georgeou | 05/25/06
|
 
Why Bother
LazLong | 04/19/06
|
  
What's sad is that MS Office works better with Crossoover
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
You sure seem to have a lot of extra time...
dragosani | 04/20/06
|
 
Hmmm more maths to be done
pkr@... | 04/20/06
|
 
Legally licensed to use though?
tbuccelli | 04/21/06
|
Reasons why i think there should be ODF
tombalablomba | 04/19/06
|

Responses
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
It's a shame
jdsal989 | 04/19/06
|
  
Right, and you do?
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
responses
tombalablomba | 04/19/06
|
  
Responses
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
Geroge the troll?
Fred Fredrickson | 04/19/06
|
   
Some Responses
tombalablomba | 04/19/06
|
    
You have some legitimate questions and I will ask Microsoft
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
Let's agree upon this
tombalablomba | 04/20/06
|
     
Hmm, Brian Jones might disagree with point #1...
Scrat | 04/20/06
|
     
Hey thanks, I'll see if he wants to (or can) comment
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
     
Old news
Anti_Zealot | 04/20/06
|
    
FYI
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/20/06
|
   
Universal format
Scott W | 05/01/06
|
   
Let's stop and correct something here
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
 
Beyond rediculous
mosborne | 04/20/06
|
 
Widespread is not the same as universal
RudyTome2 | 04/20/06
|
 
My respones to yours
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
So...
zkiwi | 04/19/06
|

Good point, that was Sun's response
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
Well, ok
zkiwi | 04/19/06
|
  
Don't go changing the subject
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
Huh?
zkiwi | 04/19/06
|
    
MS Office runs better in Linux than OpenOffice.org on Linux
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
And also...
zkiwi | 04/19/06
|
    
Again, you make some big and wrong assumptions
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
     
This just sounds like doublespeak
zkiwi | 04/19/06
|
     
Now you're just starting being argumentative for no good reason.
georgeou | 04/20/06
|

Because Office started on Mac
Fred Fredrickson | 04/19/06
|
 
I think you made an error
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
  
Strange I also had Office for Mac in '87~89
LazLong | 04/20/06
|
  
Not me.
Fred Fredrickson | 04/20/06
|
This is much better informed than the original article
stevey_d | 04/19/06
|

Hold on now
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
lousy format..
stevey_d | 04/20/06
|
Why ODF doesn't matter.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/19/06
|

bad argument
lostarchitect | 04/19/06
|
 
It isn't an argument, it's just the way it is.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/19/06
|
  
I think you need to look harder then
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|

That is your choice
Patrick Jones | 04/19/06
|

Why YOU don't matter
LinuxIzTehPwn | 04/20/06
|
 
***Warning*** Zealotry detected
Scrat | 04/21/06
|

Why ODF does matter.
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
my quick real word test
lostarchitect | 04/19/06
|

oops, should be real "world" test
lostarchitect | 04/19/06
|
The main issues are user lock in and control
palmwarrior | 04/19/06
|

Baloney!!!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/19/06
|
 
Are you incapable of replying to the right message?
Fred Fredrickson | 04/19/06
|

That's the religion thing
eb276 | 04/19/06
|

Please find me the hardware that's 100 times faster
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
 
George, it was nice that you tried OpenOffice.
palmwarrior | 04/20/06
|
  
You completely missed the point then
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
   
You're getting way too much free work out of me...
palmwarrior | 04/20/06
|
    
Why Netscape failed
Arthas | 04/21/06
|
ODF articles moot?
just_a_guy | 04/19/06
|

I'm just offering a reality check.
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
Reality check let me laugh
toxicfreak | 04/20/06
|
  
If reality bites toxic, look out for approaching dentures...
Scrat | 04/21/06
|
   
scrat you bring nice idea but
toxicfreak | 04/21/06
|
 
Not my reality
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|

There are many perspectives ...
mwagner@... | 04/20/06
|
 
But I think that's the point
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
can't trust Microsoft
Eduardo_z | 04/19/06
|

They've given legal assurances with the new Office XML format
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
sorru MR Ou
toxicfreak | 04/20/06
|
  
It's not even about trust of suing...
ju1ce | 04/20/06
|
  
NONSENSE
mwagner@... | 04/20/06
|
 
Read the fine print
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/20/06
|
It seems to me...
JDThompson | 04/19/06
|

Here's why
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
Why bother with it [ODF]?
JDThompson | 04/19/06
|
  
They can't, at least not with this version
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
   
They couldn't with the old versions
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/20/06
|
    
damn.. you just killed that thread....
barsteward | 04/20/06
|
   
Correct phrasing
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
  
That would be a valid argument if...
nucrash | 04/20/06
|
This OU clown obfuscates the argument
j.m.galvin | 04/19/06
|

Try some argument
TonyMcS | 04/19/06
|
 
Punctionation?
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
  
Spelling
TonyMcS | 04/19/06
|
 
re: try some arguement
barsteward | 04/20/06
|
Let the users decide!
nomorems | 04/19/06
|

The users have decided
georgeou | 04/19/06
|
 
And one picked ODF, so give it a rest (nt)
Fred Fredrickson | 04/19/06
|
 
In your world, do pigs fly?
jeff_knx | 04/20/06
|
  
He's going under the assumption...
ju1ce | 04/20/06
|
 
Look again
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
ODF
tracy anne | 04/19/06
|
Why I use OOo
CobraA1 | 04/19/06
|
Is Data (format) Slow?
LazLong | 04/19/06
|
Best Georgism ever
Richard Flude | 04/19/06
|

Microsoft Office binary formats
stevey_d | 04/20/06
|
 
Oh, you too have noticed the MS compatibility flaw
zdnet reader | 04/20/06
|
In a word, no
jorwell | 04/20/06
|

Never happy jorwell
Roger Ramjet | 04/20/06
|
 
On the contrary
jorwell | 04/20/06
|
  
OO clear winner on price for avg user
zdnet reader | 04/20/06
|
   
Or to put it another way
jorwell | 04/25/06
|
  
Please explain
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
Since when
Roger Ramjet | 04/20/06
|
George in all seriousness just how big a stipen does MS
Laff | 04/20/06
|

I wonder how he'll spin this one...
chemist109 | 04/20/06
|
 
George won't respond (or now maybe he will)
nizuse | 04/20/06
|

Dumb questions
georgeou | 04/22/06
|
ODF should be like IGES is for CAD
zmud | 04/20/06
|

Couldn't have said it better myself.
IndianaTux | 05/09/06
|
This is not journalism
not of this world | 04/20/06
|

This is journalism
zdnet reader | 04/20/06
|
George, you are dizzy.....
linux_for_me | 04/20/06
|
George, you should be very careful...
bidemytime | 04/20/06
|
Media Bias at its Worst
D. T. Schmitz | 04/20/06
|

For this
tombalablomba | 04/20/06
|
Ou gives you half the story - MSFT's half
Chad_z | 04/20/06
|
casting aspersions
dotkayk@... | 04/20/06
|
How clueless can you be.
hulse_kevin | 04/20/06
|

You got it EXACTLY RIGHT !
zara994x | 04/25/06
|
Good job getting hits with flamebait, George Ou
jeff_knx | 04/20/06
|

Difference between zealot (you) and non zealots (George)
NonZealot | 04/20/06
|
 
Chastising for flamebait, not for using MS
jeff_knx | 04/20/06
|
  
So Sun is lying about 100 x slower too?
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
   
I love this...
ju1ce | 04/20/06
|
    
No, smaller sheets don't magically mean they're faster
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
     
Maybe you need a different system then
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
   
Actually let get facts straight here
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
 
Maybe non zealot but definite idiot
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
I have to agree, George!
mwagner@... | 04/20/06
|

NO - you need Read/Write
zdnet reader | 04/20/06
|
I have a fast computer - ODF is no problem
WiredGuy | 04/20/06
|

You haven't opened up a 200 meg file every 10 minutes yet (NT)
ju1ce | 04/20/06
|

I'm glad you have a Sh*t hot computer.
zdnet reader | 04/20/06
|

I don't think it would help
Lazarus777 | 05/02/06
|
What about the Microsoft Religion?
Rick_K | 04/20/06
|

George is neutral remember? (NT)
ju1ce | 04/20/06
|
 
LMFAO
Rick_K | 04/20/06
|

Great comparison.
nizuse | 04/20/06
|
Boring...
tero_t_vaananen@... | 04/20/06
|

Duh gee george.. It's because ZDNet pays per blog.
ju1ce | 04/20/06
|
 
No, I'm full time staff
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
  
Oh.. well in that case...
ju1ce | 04/20/06
|
  
aaah the reason for troll blogs
barsteward | 04/20/06
|
   
Nothing has changed
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
    
how-to articles
stevey_d | 04/20/06
|
     
Great feedback!
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
Yes, we need a open document standard designed by Independent global group
zdnet reader | 04/20/06
|
Market is now deciding in favor of ODF, now that it's out and in the news .
jeff_knx | 04/20/06
|
What real difference does it make?
peterlwu@... | 04/20/06
|

$1000? That won't buy you 100 times the CPU power
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
 
Not even 150k would do it either... (NT)
ju1ce | 04/20/06
|
5 -100 times less efficient???
zara994x | 04/20/06
|

Would you like me to spell that out for you?
georgeou | 04/21/06
|
 
Numbers
zara994x | 04/21/06
|
 
George, perhaps you are so fast at entering data
Update victim | 04/26/06
|
  
did it occur to you
zzz1234567890 | 04/28/06
|
   
Cherry picking
Blog Wasteland | 05/26/06
|

Margin of error
solri | 04/21/06
|
 
margin
zara994x | 04/21/06
|
death of office
Stan_Krute | 04/20/06
|
STATMAN created his own stat - again. That's dirty George.
zdnet reader | 04/20/06
|

And you can speak for Sun?
georgeou | 04/20/06
|
 
STATMAN created his own stat - again. That's dirty George. Again AgainAgain
zdnet reader | 04/20/06
|
  
Hurry Up George - snowbase thinning
zdnet reader | 04/21/06
|
MONEY!!!!
plon | 04/21/06
|
Framing
swhiser | 04/21/06
|
Fun
jeff_knx | 04/21/06
|
GPL M$ XML
zara994x | 04/21/06
|
Non Sequiturs
zara994x | 04/21/06
|
amused
Bite Me_Ax_Moron | 04/22/06
|

editor
Bite Me_Ax_Moron | 04/22/06
|
Speed!
neutro511@... | 04/23/06
|
ODF is dead with no ROI
theoldman59 | 04/24/06
|

why is it all or nothing with everyone?
CMKRNL | 04/26/06
|

Here is some ROI for you
Lazarus777 | 05/03/06
|
Do u ever think before u type George ?
zara994x | 04/24/06
|

WordPerfect, or was that Perfect Words?
zdnet reader | 04/24/06
|
IN Essence ..George and M$ Embrace ODF
zara994x | 04/26/06
|
Why ODF?
Update victim | 04/26/06
|
The Religion of ODF George HAS It..
zara994x | 04/26/06
|
George, let the market to decide which is the best word processor.
plon | 04/27/06
|
The "Religion" = Open Standards + OpenSource
zara994x | 04/28/06
|
It is not about which is better
tero_t_vaananen@... | 05/04/06
|
Disinformation.
plons1 | 05/05/06
|
Disinformation.
plons1 | 05/05/06
|
Yes it does...Sorry George
linux_for_me | 05/05/06
|
Step out of the "Office"
Robert Crocker | 05/05/06
|
Reasons to use ODF
georgep_z | 05/05/06
|
Yeah, why should you use standards anyway?
stmueller | 05/08/06
|
Binary OpenDoc solves your problem ??
hcmarchezi@... | 05/09/06
|
I hope they pay you lots of money....
merlin747 | 05/10/06
|
What if MS-Office simply doesn't do the job?
diogenius | 05/14/06
|
No names George?
Blog Wasteland | 05/26/06
|
I can think of three very important reasons to use OOo
heres_johnny | 04/23/07
|