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May 26th, 2006

It's time to toss out your antivirus software

Posted by George Ou @ 2:01 am

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There’s been plenty of debate lately that maybe with the release of Windows Vista, we might be able to get away with not using antivirus on our computers.  Running antivirus on a personal computer is like having the bomb squad inspect a suspicious package inside the house right next to you. Well I’m about to make an even bolder assertion, that running antivirus or even additional third party security software such as firewalls on your computer makes you even less safe!  Now before you start the flaming, hear me out first.

It’s well understood in the security community that every additional piece of software on a computer system is another potential target for attack.  That’s why it comes as no surprise that another antivirus package is open to a massive attack that can affect 200 million Symantec antivirus users running Symantec Antivirus 10.x or Symantec Client Security 3.x.  This is actually nothing new and virtually every Antivirus vendor has had their share of remote exploits.  Even an extra security feature such as compressed file scanning opens the user up to additional vulnerabilities and all the major AV solutions have had their share of malformed compressed file vulnerabilities.  Just the mere act of decompressing a ZIP or ARJ file to see what’s inside of it could set off a malicious payload.

Every third party firewall product such as ZoneAlarm and Kerio have exposed the very users they’re suppose to protect to complete system level compromise.  Ironically the built in Windows XP SP2 firewall which always gets unfairly picked on has never had any remote exploits.  Sure it doesn’t provide any outbound packet filtering which is only relevant if my computer is already owned in which case any firewall could be disabled anyways, but at least it doesn’t leave me wide open to a remote attacker.  With the Windows Vista built-in firewall, outbound packet filtering is now supported but the pundits are already jumping on it because it doesn’t turn on outbound blocking for user actions by default and requires command line manipulation to access the outbound controls.  What’s left out is that the XP SP2 and Vista firewall can be centrally managed via Microsoft’s Active Directory group policy whereas the third party firewall vendors want you to buy an expensive enterprise management and policy deployment system.  But with Microsoft’s personal firewall and its superior security track record, and the fact that it doesn’t cost anything extra, one has to wonder what the point of third party firewalls is.

I’ve owned personal computers for 15 years running some form of Windows or another and I have never had any virus problems on my computer and this is consistent with every other expert user I’ve talked to.  I personally can’t stand the performance overhead and extra expense of third party security software and I simply don’t use them.  For my family computer which is used by plenty of less security-savvy users, I don’t use any antivirus or anti-spyware software on them and they never have any problems though I never let anyone else run as an administrator.  While running as a standard user isn’t always practical under Windows XP, it most definitely is practical under Windows Vista.

Windows Vista not only runs users in restricted mode, but goes as far as running all its services in restricted mode and has default outbound firewall policies in place to prevent services from making outbound connections that they have no business making in the first place.  Internet Explorer 7 under Windows Vista runs under a severely restricted jail cell and the same technique is available to all other ISVs such as Mozilla and Opera.  Along with hardware-enforced DEP which has proactively stopped the two most recent zero-day Internet Explorer 6 exploits in their tracks without the assistance of any antivirus software with updated definition, or software patch, Windows Vista is actually more secure than ever compared to an AV/AS loaded Windows XP computer.

Does this mean there is no place for antivirus scanning in the world?  No, I’ve been on record as far back as four years ago saying that gateway level scanning was the way to go and this exactly what I mean when I say "it’s time to toss out your antivirus".  This means you scan for viruses transparently at the HTTP and FTP gateway and at the SMTP mail gateway BEFORE it enters your internal network and your PC.  As an added bonus, the scanning is only done once and the cleaned file is cached at the gateway so that you’re not scanning the file on the client side thousands of times if you have thousands of users.  Since scanning viruses is such a dangerous task because the software is handling raw and potentially malicious payloads coming from the Internet, the task should only be handled in the DMZ and under a service or daemon operating in a jail cell.  Handling raw Internet files at the client level under a system level service is simply more of a liability than a benefit.  We should probably even stop antivirus scanning on the internal mail server and have all mail attachments forwarded to the DMZ gateway scanner to check the file in a jail cell before it’s handed back to the internal mail server.  Note that on TechRepublic, we’ll start doing some articles on how to implement inexpensive gateway antivirus for the home.

Running antivirus on a personal computer is like having the bomb squad inspect a suspicious package inside the house right next to you.  No matter how careful or how good that bomb squad is, one of these days they’ll make a mistake and explode in your house.  As a matter of fact, the bad guys are deliberately rigging the bombs in a way that will blow up the house if someone tries to scan it and this is exactly what’s happening with malformed ARJ or ZIP packages.  It’s time we started thinking of antivirus activities the same way and that it’s too dangerous to be done on your personal computer or even inside the internal network.  Check that bomb before it enters the house and the end result is that we’d all be spending less money, we’d all have faster computers, and we’d all be a lot safer.

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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I block code execution for unsigned applications in Active Directory
I block code execution for unsigned applications
in Active Directory. That pretty much nullifies
every known and unknown threat which is way better
than any AV software.

Don't even start with OS X. It's so riddled with
vulnerabilities that it's not even funny.... (Read the rest)
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George, your glasses are a little fogged  whisperycat | 05/26/06
EXTREMELY well said! George? Snappy come back? (NT)  MTMacPhee | 05/26/06
Yes, it was extremely well said!  NonZealot | 05/26/06
What factual errors?  msolgeek | 05/26/06
Okay, I'll be specific  NonZealot | 05/26/06
IE the Browser  belkorin | 05/30/06
Same with KDE  NonZealot | 05/30/06
KDE  belkorin | 05/31/06
size of the Linux patches  Me_too | 11/04/07
Very well said  richvball44 | 05/28/06
George is telling us  msolgeek | 05/26/06
Nope  ccrashh2@... | 05/26/06
Go ever further  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Really - guard just the perimeter?  msolgeek | 05/26/06
LOL  ccrashh2@... | 05/26/06
Actually for the home and SOHO too  georgeou | 05/26/06
What about road warriors among us, George?  mikeald | 06/19/07
Okay...  msolgeek | 05/26/06
rephrase  Canadian falcon | 05/30/06
No, just hear me out  georgeou | 05/26/06
I've heard that one befoe.  CobraA1 | 05/26/06
Is Trend, McAfee, Symantec modern enough?  georgeou | 05/26/06
I'll second that  pkrdk | 05/26/06
ummm  Canadian falcon | 05/31/06
router  belkorin | 06/01/06
of course  Canadian falcon | 06/03/06
some good points  Scott W | 05/27/06
*hands whisperycat some windex for the eyeballs  shadowgryphon@... | 05/31/06
scanning  belkorin | 06/01/06
You have foggy class too  iom88@... | 06/30/07
I've got a word .doc for you  Robert Crocker | 05/26/06
Geoge's hit count is down again!  linux_for_me | 05/26/06
Uh, you didn't even read the blog  georgeou | 05/26/06
Yes I did......  linux_for_me | 05/26/06
Ah, but you can build one with Linux for $30  georgeou | 05/26/06
LOL...No,you got me there!  linux_for_me | 05/27/06
Forks  DownRightTired | 06/18/07
overhead  belkorin | 05/30/06
You're right about the software.  Anton Philidor | 05/26/06
Worsening the problem  Anton Philidor | 05/26/06
You would be surprised...  IndianaTux | 05/26/06
Oh, and, FYI  IndianaTux | 05/26/06
umm...  belkorin | 05/30/06
Better solution  NonZealot | 05/30/06
Time to toss out Office?  Robert Crocker | 05/26/06
Even Linux?  D. T. Schmitz | 05/26/06
Run Linux AV as the transparent proxy and virus scanner  georgeou | 05/26/06
exactly  ccrashh2@... | 05/26/06
They don't just eat your food  georgeou | 05/26/06
I catch your drift  D. T. Schmitz | 05/26/06
Norton is like putting the infantry ahead of the tanks!  osreinstall | 05/27/06
That's called Authenticode policies  georgeou | 05/31/06
This would be a good system  osreinstall | 06/01/06
who decides..?  belkorin | 06/01/06
I decide what goes on my computer.  osreinstall | 06/01/06
Who decides is you  georgeou | 06/02/06
George...  zkiwi | 05/26/06
How is this a Windows problem?  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Well it certainly isn't a Linux or OSX problem  whisperycat | 05/26/06
Gotta love the ignorant happy  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Hmmm...  zkiwi | 05/26/06
You show your ignorance of Windows  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Here's an idea...  zkiwi | 05/26/06
I can no longer help you zkiwi  NonZealot | 05/27/06
Go ahead  zkiwi | 05/27/06
Wow, what a rebuttal!!!  NonZealot | 05/27/06
zkiwi  toadlife | 05/27/06
For you and toadlife  zkiwi | 05/27/06
zkiwi  toadlife | 05/27/06
toadlife...  zkiwi | 05/27/06
assume much?  toadlife | 05/27/06
So...  zkiwi | 05/27/06
So?  toadlife | 05/28/06
Well...  zkiwi | 05/28/06
restricted user rights in windows...  belkorin | 05/30/06
Restricted rights work just fine  NonZealot | 05/30/06
ok, i'll bite  richvball44 | 05/28/06
I don't mind telling you  NonZealot | 05/28/06
Non Zealot? not  dimonic | 11/29/06
It's Linux users WINING again wink  jsargent | 05/26/06
I can assure you it's more likely to be up to date  georgeou | 05/27/06
Why not at the ISP?  kwwall@... | 01/09/08
Nice FUD  RocketEater | 05/26/06
I suggest that...  zkiwi | 05/26/06
Either will work  georgeou | 05/26/06
I'm not sure you can be right...  zkiwi | 05/26/06
Sounds like you're not going to believe me one way or another  georgeou | 05/26/06
Ok  zkiwi | 05/27/06
Simply because  zkiwi | 05/26/06
"Under control" doesn't mean "eradicate"  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Windows is easily securable  NonZealot | 05/26/06
If Windows is...  zkiwi | 05/26/06
I'll use the same reply  NonZealot | 05/26/06
I don't know why you think  zkiwi | 05/26/06
Simple Answers for Simple Minds  Dragon74 | 05/27/06
And because it is the biggest target  zkiwi | 05/27/06
George says it is  Robert Crocker | 05/26/06
Then George is wrong on that one  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Running Word in Vista as a standard user mitigates issues  georgeou | 05/26/06
Ok  zkiwi | 05/26/06
You are mixing up "safe modes"  NonZealot | 05/26/06
*sigh*  zkiwi | 05/26/06
Vista is in "safe" mode out of the box  georgeou | 05/26/06
I'd dispute the sandbox is safe theory  zkiwi | 05/26/06
Dispute with what? Your opinion?  georgeou | 05/26/06
You make it seem like  zkiwi | 05/26/06
Princess Bride  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/26/06
Wrong, every Windows virus could have been stopped with user controls  georgeou | 05/26/06
That isn't true  zkiwi | 05/26/06
I spent 4 days researching WMF  georgeou | 05/26/06
Ok then...  zkiwi | 05/27/06
You are so clueless it's sad  georgeou | 05/27/06
So George...  zkiwi | 05/27/06
Last time  georgeou | 05/27/06
And...  zkiwi | 05/27/06
Vista will lie to legacy code  georgeou | 05/28/06
Don't waste your time, George  Mark Miller | 05/28/06
Mark...  zkiwi | 05/28/06
Don't have a Anti Viri application too toss...use a MAC:)  Laff | 05/26/06
And Macs are immune to viruses??  Pazman | 05/26/06
A "vulnerability" does not equal an "exploit" does it?  Laff | 05/26/06
and ignorance doesn't equal protection does it?  georgeou | 05/26/06
Equivocation  Harry Bardal | 05/26/06
Interesting premise!  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Well.....  Laff | 05/26/06
Agreed  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Key fact that most Apple users ignore  toadlife | 05/26/06
Very nice toadlife!  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Lock Down  Harry Bardal | 05/26/06
Harry, I just figured it out!  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Toad and Non.....wait just a minute here....  Laff | 05/26/06
Certainly  toadlife | 05/27/06
Real world exploits? Name a few please...a few that  Laff | 05/26/06
It's time to toss out your antivirus software  TTGIT Guy | 05/26/06
Sounds like you didn't read jack  georgeou | 05/26/06
George...  zkiwi | 05/26/06
Wrong! George got BOTH of us to read it!  nerdnick | 05/26/06
jack?  richvball44 | 05/28/06
Am I too late for the flame war  nucrash | 05/26/06
No; always a chance to watch...  Anton Philidor | 05/26/06
I didn't say STOP using AV, I said toss out the AV  georgeou | 05/26/06
You confused some of us George  WiredGuy | 05/26/06
Well... Toss out the AV usually means...  nucrash | 05/26/06
Exactly what I'm proposing!  georgeou | 05/26/06
proposing  richvball44 | 05/28/06
No, just use an old PC  georgeou | 05/30/06
Trend  belkorin | 06/06/06
Irresponsible Journalism  CriticalThinker | 05/26/06
RTFA  nucrash | 05/26/06
But AV scanning IS done at the gateway and in the DMZ  georgeou | 05/26/06
Not journalism  rapson | 05/26/06
Heh heh heh....now if my opinion is that George does NOT  Laff | 05/26/06
a goat by any other cheese  not of this world | 05/27/06
Dad doesn't live here  georgeou | 05/27/06
wow that was a good one  toxicfreak | 05/26/06
superior security track record  lwvirden | 05/29/06
Really?  toadlife | 05/29/06
Same tired MS bashers can't admit...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/06
Really?  zkiwi | 05/26/06
Then try it yourself.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/06
Yes, but then you  zkiwi | 05/26/06
BRILLIANTLY put!!  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Erm...  zkiwi | 05/26/06
Can't  JDThompson | 05/26/06
and..  belkorin | 06/06/06
Same tired MS defenders can't admit...  Robert Crocker | 05/26/06
And you base this on your own tests of Vista?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/06
I base this on years...  Robert Crocker | 05/26/06
Yeah, I had a 57 Ford that was horrible  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/06
You sir, are an ignoramous  Robert Crocker | 05/26/06
*buzz*  zkiwi | 05/26/06
Wrong  pkr@... | 05/29/06
Admin Rights removal at MS  barsteward | 05/26/06
Beta 2 looks very promising!  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Please call back when the product ships  WiredGuy | 05/26/06
Make the punishment fit the crime.  TN-Limey | 05/26/06
Unarmed = safer than armed. Yeah, right.  ejhonda | 05/26/06
No A/V is better than no brains...  jbrinkman1966 | 05/26/06
Spoken right out of the ivory tower.  ejhonda | 05/30/06
For the last time, READ THE BLOG  georgeou | 05/26/06
Utopia versus Reality  ejhonda | 05/30/06
Again, that isn't the only defense  georgeou | 05/30/06
sounds like a lot of trouble...  belkorin | 06/06/06
As much as it pains me, I agree with George here....  linux_for_me | 05/31/06
glaring loophole?  shraven | 05/26/06
Ok good catch  georgeou | 05/26/06
Toss out AV's  rcrumb@... | 05/26/06
I run my family as standard users  georgeou | 05/26/06
Out of the Box  Harry Bardal | 05/26/06
What on earth are you so upset about?  NonZealot | 05/26/06
He'll complain either way  georgeou | 05/26/06
confusion!  richvball44 | 05/28/06
Gateway AV is for everything  georgeou | 05/29/06
Why the whining?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/06
Vista is secure "out of the box" until  barsteward | 05/26/06
all you have to do  barsteward | 05/26/06
which reminds me  richvball44 | 05/28/06
Gee no Anti-virus on George's computer?  rupaa62 | 05/26/06
no, read the blog first  georgeou | 05/26/06
no Anti-virus on George's  ebsoloway@... | 05/29/06
If the planets all line up on the 5th day of the...  Gasman_z | 05/26/06
Good idea for a product, then  ccrashh2@... | 05/26/06
Running as standard user mitigates that  georgeou | 05/26/06
.bat  richvball44 | 05/28/06
That won't work under a standard user  georgeou | 05/28/06
Works for you, me and our ilk  Gasman_z | 05/31/06
Signed drivers will autoinstall  georgeou | 05/31/06
Outbound matters ...  SlammerDev | 05/26/06
I don't run Real player on my PC, it's not a problem  georgeou | 05/26/06
And no MS programs phone home????  barsteward | 05/26/06
Only if you ask them to  georgeou | 05/26/06
If that is true...  zkiwi | 05/26/06
So what if they do?  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Your choice to have spyware  barsteward | 05/26/06
ok, but...  belkorin | 06/06/06
Huh?  nizuse | 05/28/06
phone home  belkorin | 06/06/06
Throwing away the Firewall is like leaving open the door to the house!  jsargent | 05/26/06
Did you read the blog?  georgeou | 05/26/06
What are viruses really?  tero_t_vaananen@... | 05/26/06
Again, I didn't say STOP using AV  georgeou | 05/26/06
You're kidding, right?  Robert Crocker | 05/26/06
You can't argue with a MS security expert !!!!  barsteward | 05/26/06
It's called standard user access and restricted run time.  georgeou | 05/26/06
Catch-22  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/26/06
Excellent post  toadlife | 05/26/06
Not if we lock the users down.  georgeou | 05/26/06
Know your audience  NonZealot | 05/26/06
Ah but it's for you  georgeou | 05/26/06
bits  richvball44 | 05/28/06
Remember George...  toadlife | 05/26/06
Firefox has some catching up to do on Vista  georgeou | 05/26/06
What is "code?"  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/26/06
Forbes? I'll take that as a complement  georgeou | 05/26/06
Forbes writers are clueless about technology  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/26/06
Vista firewall prevents services from communicating  georgeou | 05/26/06
Cuidado!  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/26/06
Igotta S. Ay  NonZealot | 05/26/06
irony  toadlife | 05/26/06
dude, youre slow  richvball44 | 05/28/06
Good catch  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/26/06
mmmmm  barsteward | 05/26/06
"You Can't Patch The User"  belkorin | 06/06/06
I did and Vista still needs work.  linux_for_me | 05/26/06
Vista is still ... just software  tero_t_vaananen@... | 05/26/06
It was escalation, I know ....  yurthlr@... | 05/26/06
George is absolutely correct!  cppsolutions | 05/26/06
yes, and please bring me my straightjacket  rstran | 05/26/06
Okie dokie...  zkiwi | 05/26/06
re: Okie dokie...  cppsolutions | 05/27/06
Actually...  zkiwi | 05/27/06
How do you know?  frgough | 05/26/06
Let's get serious here!  rskaggs@... | 05/26/06
Let's get serious here!  rskaggs@... | 05/26/06
Alternate entry vectors?  George Macoukji | 05/26/06
Not just network level protection, but defense in depth  georgeou | 05/26/06
Provocative title but not really the story  Langalibalene | 05/26/06
Defense in depth  georgeou | 05/26/06
But in the real world  ballscrew bob | 05/26/06
RE: systems need no protection from virus and etc.  muffquentin | 05/26/06
You have some good points  JDThompson | 05/26/06
We need a FW/AV gateway scanner appliance  georgeou | 05/26/06
I still say  JDThompson | 05/26/06
When?  T1Oracle | 07/25/07
George Ou on virus applications on Windows  jattas@... | 05/26/06
Interesting comparison.  nizuse | 05/28/06
Did you implement any of my alternative solutions?  georgeou | 05/30/06
anyone who has to ask  A.Lizard | 05/26/06
Then tell me why third party firewalls put me at risk?  georgeou | 05/26/06
Other than  zkiwi | 05/26/06
must be all our imaginations then that it's worked  georgeou | 05/26/06
Seems to be a pattern  NonZealot | 05/27/06
It is indeed a pity that  zkiwi | 05/27/06
Links please!!  NonZealot | 05/27/06
Links?  zkiwi | 05/27/06
zkiwi, you are HILARIOUS!!!  NonZealot | 05/27/06
Hilarious?  zkiwi | 05/27/06
And just because you have been fortunate  zkiwi | 05/27/06
I've been fortunate too  NonZealot | 05/27/06
And yet...  zkiwi | 05/27/06
perhaps  richvball44 | 05/28/06
Hey George! Runnin' around the house...  nerdnick | 05/26/06
Intel has the solution, George  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/26/06
Be careful with that  georgeou | 05/26/06
Truth in Blogvertising  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/26/06
So whose gateway are users supposed to do all this scanning on?  Zogg | 05/26/06
No, build one with Linux  georgeou | 05/26/06
Linux would be my solution, yes.  Zogg | 05/26/06
Then I'd have a horrible user experience  georgeou | 05/26/06
*burp*  zkiwi | 05/26/06
Compared to the "lovely" experience of getting Hacked?  Zogg | 05/27/06
I prefer another option  NonZealot | 05/27/06
No AV at all? Hmmm...  Zogg | 05/28/06
You prove my point  NonZealot | 05/28/06
I don't think I'm following you...  Zogg | 05/28/06
Let me explain further  NonZealot | 05/28/06
I am sorry but  Linux Advocate | 05/29/06
Bad advice from George  elliotg@... | 05/26/06
This isn't the only way  georgeou | 05/26/06
Personally...  JDThompson | 05/28/06
Nice!  xstep | 05/26/06
Patience  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/26/06
Here's why  georgeou | 05/26/06
We do have linux protecting us.  sw_bugs | 05/30/06
It's time to toss out George Ou.  Mr. Roboto | 05/26/06
He does need a rest  ballscrew bob | 05/26/06
I think you're missing the point  georgeou | 05/26/06
I must nitpick  toadlife | 05/28/06
Don't need IPSEC for Vista  georgeou | 05/29/06
Neato  toadlife | 05/29/06
Jeeezeeus george  ballscrew bob | 05/26/06
Jeeezeeus Bob, sounds like you didn't even read the blog  georgeou | 05/26/06
Quite easy ehh ?  pkrdk | 05/27/06
There's no AVG exploits on the list  Greenknight_z | 05/27/06
One Problem George  Dragon74 | 05/27/06
Good question  georgeou | 05/27/06
Its time to Toss out your AV software  robbie_dolev@... | 05/27/06
You forgot the other lines of defenses  georgeou | 05/27/06
when  richvball44 | 05/28/06
Here are your answers  NonZealot | 05/28/06
Macs and 'PeeCees'.  georgeou | 05/28/06
PC components seem reliable enough to me  Zogg | 05/28/06
Not PCI-X, that's a different older standard  georgeou | 05/28/06
You guys are amazing!  Cardinal_Bill | 05/27/06
Right..  xstep | 05/27/06
Because I just came on board  georgeou | 05/27/06
Well, then I appluad you!  xstep | 05/28/06
That's great  georgeou | 05/28/06
Interesting  Mark Miller | 05/27/06
Thanks, I've mentioned NTFS in a different discussion  georgeou | 05/27/06
George still in lala land!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 05/27/06
WHAT REALLY GEORGY IS TELLING:  theo_durcan | 05/28/06
That would be illogical, because...  Zogg | 05/28/06
Watch your headings  TonyMcS | 05/28/06
Better to run grandma and the kids as standard user  georgeou | 05/28/06
Then please detail  zkiwi | 05/28/06
Running Linux as the gateway can be the cheapest solution  georgeou | 05/28/06
Real world  TonyMcS | 05/29/06
There's no way I'd let kids have admin rights  georgeou | 05/30/06
Vista lies to legacy code?  JDThompson | 05/28/06
It's not that bad  georgeou | 05/28/06
Or, you know, you could just buy Macs  pjane | 05/29/06
Wrong axe  pkr@... | 05/29/06
Simply the best way to go is wink  x3dre@... | 05/29/06
That could be done with proper partition restrictions  georgeou | 05/29/06
But the mere fact of  x3dre@... | 05/30/06
DVDs are too slow  georgeou | 05/30/06
Once the OS is loaded  x3dre@... | 05/30/06
I never buy the "once it's loaded argument"  georgeou | 05/30/06
Have you tried it though?  x3dre@... | 05/30/06
That's Life  Dr_Zinj | 05/30/06
seems like a lot more  belkorin | 06/01/06
About time you joined the wave!  sw_bugs | 05/30/06
Only after you switch into *BSD, UNIX or Linux ....  michael_t | 05/30/06
Message has been deleted.  belkorin | 05/31/06
follow the money George  ttocsmij | 09/26/06
time to toss out antivirus  rosarysrj@... | 09/26/06
virus' are the biggest money spin since the internet!  mitchc@... | 11/15/06
Some more huckstering for MS  lcdix@... | 11/29/06
It's time to toss out your antivirus software  hrosita@... | 11/29/06
I am confused by this talk  njroy55 | 11/29/06
Not all viruses enter through the network  ron@... | 11/29/06
Antivirus Software  lstell@... | 11/29/06
Just Let The Walk In?  johnford@... | 11/29/06
Toss out your anti virus software ??  andrew.gilmour | 11/30/06
one more time George  DownRightTired | 06/18/07
Too much overhead? NOD32. (NT)  butler360 | 06/20/07
gateway antivirus for home?  ZDNetReader1 | 07/23/07
Not practical  RDrr | 02/11/08
RE: It's time to toss out your antivirus software  red_ragtop | 02/12/08
RE: It's time to toss out your antivirus software  javacodeitordrinkit | 10/08/08
What about infected CDs, DVDs, & USB flash drives?  steveklein | 05/12/09
I block code execution for unsigned applications in Active Directory  georgeou | 08/21/09

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