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June 5th, 2006

Will AMD's fastest CPU be obsolete next month?

Posted by George Ou @ 1:07 am

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When I attended AMD technology day last Thursday, senior AMD managers poked fun at Intel’s NetBurst architecture and the fact that Intel will be "going back to their previous generation architecture, and that would be an improvement".  Most of the industry analysts in attendance began to laugh in the room and I couldn’t quite figure out what’s so funny and if they would still be laughing next month when Intel’s Core2 architecture is released.

I asked some senior AMD managers what they were going to do It is beginning to look more and more certain that Intel’s Core 2 architecture will "leap ahead"… when Intel releases their Core2 architecture next month and what they thought of the dire initial benchmarks posted at AnandTech and the response was "who set up the benchmarks" and more laughter ensued throughout the room.  What everyone was laughing about was the fact that Intel had actually set up the test bed for those initial benchmarks, but what’s forgotten is that AnandTech (responding to readers and critics) made Intel change certain aspects of Intel’s test bed to address perceived inequities in the first set of tests.  I say "perceived" inequities because in the end the changes didn’t make a bit of difference and the results were just as bad for AMD’s simulated FX-62 (without the faster socket and memory).  Since these results were theoretical because the actual AM2 based FX-62 with faster memory access weren’t being used and the test bed wasn’t completely independent, we couldn’t draw any decisive conclusions.

So last Friday when I saw the first set of independent benchmark results pitting a mid-end Intel E6600 "Conroe" 2.4 GHz CPU (due next month) against the just released flagship extreme edition AMD FX-62 CPU, I started wondering if AMD worst nightmare was coming true.  Intel’s ~$250 E6600 CPU annihilated AMD’s ~$1000 Extreme Edition AM2 based FX-62!  This effectively means that AMD’s flagship desktop performance CPU will be obsolete by the end of next month when Intel released the CPUs codenamed Conroe.  The 2.4 GHz Conroe E6600 CPU is a 65 watt part while Intel’s Extreme Edition Conroe CPU will operate at 2.93 GHz and still be 40 watts lower than AMD’s FX-62 which runs at 120 watt TDP.  AMD’s power advantage over Intel’s current Pentium 4 NetBurst architecture just vanished in to thin air with the introduction of Intel’s Core 2 architecture next month.

If that wasn’t enough of a beating, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes who writes for our new "Hardware 2.0" blog linked to these phenomenal overclocking feats with the Conroe 2.4 and Conroe 2.6 GHz CPUs clocking to 4.0 GHz and 4.26 GHz respectively!  I’m hearing that these kinds of numbers can be achieved with self-contained water coolers from multiple sources while the AMD FX-62 can barely get to 3.6 GHz with sub-zero temperatures.  As Adrian pointed out, even AMD’s "4×4" which is two dual core CPUs and two dual core GPUs is a stop gap measure that won’t be practical since you can do just as well with a single mid-end Conroe 2.6 GHz CPU clocked to 4.26 GHz at 1/6th the price in CPU cost.

While I’m still eager to see more independent results that replicate these results, it is beginning to look more and more certain that Intel’s Core 2 architecture will "leap ahead" as Intel’s new slogan implies.  AMD pointed out that they’ve been ahead of the game for 3 years (on most benchmarks and the results were always close) and it’s inevitable for Intel to have a slight lead once in a while.  The problem here is that this new Intel lead is not the usual leapfrogging where one competitor edges out the other, it’s a massive lead across the board!  AMD will be shifting to a 65 nm process by the end of the year and adding 128 bit floating point processors by the middle of next year though it’s not certain if they can make a massive performance gain while making a massive reduction in power consumption.

Intel on the other hand told me that they won’t be standing still and they don’t ever intend to make the same mistake of allowing the NetBurst architecture to stay around for more than 4 years again.  The Core 2 architecture will only be around for 2 more years until Intel shifts to something new.  I asked Intel’s representative if this is the kind of paranoia that would make Andy Grove proud and he laughed.  The truth of the matter is that AMD is what’s making Intel paranoid because they’ve taken a beating for the last 2 years at the hands of AMD.  Who’s going to win the processor wars doesn’t matter because this is competition at its best and the consumer is the ultimate winner with better products at lower prices so let the wars begin!

[Update: 2:10 PM] David berlind wonders whether Intel has forever neutralized AMD’s integrated memory controller advantage.

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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It's curious, why Intel is playing hide and seek  sharikou | 06/05/06
Nope, got some facts wrong  georgeou | 06/05/06
More Ou-Stats?  Robert Crocker | 06/05/06
its not design issues  doh123 | 06/06/06
Well, it certainly isn't a marketing issue  MerryOtter | 06/06/06
but  doh123 | 06/07/06
it's not marketing  mk76 | 06/07/06
Intel's Dual Core Layout isn't that good  nucrash | 06/05/06
"4x4 will pin Intel permanently at half of AMD's performance."  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 06/05/06
George, please read the news  sharikou | 06/05/06
That's true! I'm sensing "vaporware" from Intel.  Grayson Peddie | 06/05/06
Some blogs...just dont seem right...at all.  Cayble | 06/05/06
Did you miss the newer benchmarks?  sharikou | 06/05/06
Wow. That?s a huge stretch..And not journalism  Cayble | 06/05/06
Agree!  ck123 | 06/06/06
Message has been deleted.  myfevertoy | 10/22/06
Any sources besides your own blog?  billywill | 06/05/06
My blog serves as an archive of links to various news  sharikou | 06/05/06
trying to create traffic for your blog?  ck123 | 06/06/06
EVERYTHING IS JUST SPECILATION  jimiznhb | 06/09/06
EVERYTHING IS JUST SPECULATION  jimiznhb | 06/09/06
Intel Is No Longer An Innovator  rjriley | 06/05/06
What a JOKE!!! Ha!  Cayble | 06/05/06
you hit nail on the head  sykandtyed | 06/05/06
More Disinformation?  linux_for_me | 06/05/06
Feh... 98 percent indeed. Typical Penguinista...  Wolfie2K3 | 06/05/06
Read the post again.  TheHonestTruth | 06/05/06
Overclocking  3D0G | 06/05/06
Let's wait and see!  Reverend MacFellow | 06/05/06
George, You're asking the wrong question.  Letophoro | 06/05/06
I agree  fnash | 06/05/06
Stop twisting the dates  georgeou | 06/05/06
So, replace six with two. Who cares? Just ask/answer the question.  Letophoro | 06/05/06
Obsolete for the price  georgeou | 06/06/06
Stop shifting your argument and answer the question.  Letophoro | 06/07/06
FSB is not a problem  ck123 | 06/07/06
I LOVE semantics  flatliner | 06/12/06
Time will tell  CobraA1 | 06/05/06
Core2 only half the equation  ITTech001 | 06/05/06
4x4 will pin Intel at half of AMD performance  sharikou | 06/05/06
two processors is not double the speed  quantumstate | 06/05/06
two processor (or cores) nearly 2x the speed  baldwinleo@... | 06/05/06
Quad Core and XP  Zaphiris | 07/31/06
Tired of corporate hype  dragosani | 06/05/06
Not Intel stats  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 06/05/06
Not off the shelf hardware  dragosani | 06/05/06
Hand picked doesn't help stock clock performance  georgeou | 06/06/06
Remember the Pentium III 1.3GHz  dragosani | 06/07/06
You're really really wrong  georgeou | 06/09/06
Amen Brother  Kamikaze_Ohka | 06/06/06
Competition is always good, but  georgeou | 06/06/06
close scores  tommcd64 | 06/05/06
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AM2  BamBamm | 06/05/06
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ummm...  BamBamm | 06/05/06
George Ou makes me wonder  sharikou | 06/05/06
TRUE!!  BamBamm | 06/05/06
You make me wonder...  Cayble | 06/06/06
AMD still kind on SMP servers  Sxooter_z | 06/05/06
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again..  mockylock | 06/05/06
Speak 4 yourself!  BamBamm | 06/05/06
BTW:  BamBamm | 06/05/06
um..  mockylock | 06/05/06
Well...  BamBamm | 06/05/06
Intel's fraudulent behaviour lends itself no credibility  sharikou | 06/05/06
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hmm..  mockylock | 06/05/06
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Intel was on top for a while  quantumstate | 06/05/06
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Sure it's possible...  Kamikaze_Ohka | 06/06/06
Rehashing  CommSoft | 06/05/06
they  mockylock | 06/05/06
Unfortunately...  CommSoft | 06/05/06
So what's not true?  georgeou | 06/05/06
George, it's about verifiability  sharikou | 06/05/06
trying to cheat for blog traffic again?  ck123 | 06/06/06
Also makes one ask about last 2 years  spark555 | 06/05/06
Response  georgeou | 06/05/06
Obsolete I doubt it  kjgslg@... | 06/05/06
advantage  Scott W | 06/05/06
You completely mischaracterized history  georgeou | 06/05/06
Excellant point about future AMD against current Intel  sykandtyed | 06/05/06
Stock ownership  georgeou | 06/05/06
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Who's getting personal?  georgeou | 06/05/06
Good Luck  CommSoft | 06/06/06
So you think I'm telling the truth so I'm biased?  georgeou | 06/06/06
The posts are odd!! Here is why.  Cayble | 06/06/06
These were independent tests  georgeou | 06/06/06
I suspect thats correct  Cayble | 06/06/06
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Right  loydc1@... | 06/05/06
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Yes, all current P4 and FX CPUs are obsolete  georgeou | 06/05/06
P4 was obsolete when it was first introduced.  Letophoro | 06/05/06
Not when the P4 scaled to 3+ GHz  georgeou | 06/05/06
I stand by my statement.  Letophoro | 06/06/06
performance is a product of efficiency and frequency  georgeou | 06/06/06
I said prototype, and I meant it.  Letophoro | 06/06/06
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George  BamBamm | 06/05/06
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As an enthusiast, I'm salivating  georgeou | 06/05/06
golden samples?  giskard | 06/06/06
So what if it's golden samples?  georgeou | 06/06/06
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BIG DIFFERANCE  BamBamm | 06/05/06
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Why?  BamBamm | 06/05/06
Ok...  Mixotic | 06/05/06
How most games work.  Joel R | 06/05/06
Since all gamers are created equal....  Mixotic | 06/05/06
Gamers seem...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 06/05/06
There is a difference between lag and no lag  Cayble | 06/05/06
What a wonderful strawman you built!  Joel R | 06/15/06
You THINK that's all you see...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 06/05/06
And yes, the human eye CAN tell the difference.  Joel R | 06/05/06
Nice seeing you post again  georgeou | 06/05/06
Wrong about that  georgeou | 06/05/06
FPS  eb276 | 06/05/06
ZDnet = Fox Tech News  Mixotic | 06/05/06
Elaborate game of "Tag"  jasonp@... | 06/05/06
Conroe slower than Pentium 4 XE in multitasking  sharikou | 06/05/06
X86 wars  xstep | 06/05/06
Geeee-orge Ewe = Wintel Lapdog (nt)  Nix_0S_Fan | 06/05/06
We'll see how the price/performance really pans out...  BitTwiddler | 06/05/06
Power  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/05/06
Again, everyone uses TPD  georgeou | 06/05/06
TDP? George Ou needs to get some basic education on that  sharikou | 06/05/06
You have no credibility  georgeou | 06/05/06
trying to say??  jacec | 06/05/06
George Ou, you are comprehension impaired?  sharikou | 06/05/06
You're quoting total system power consumption  georgeou | 06/05/06
George, get educated, you are making youself a fool here  sharikou | 06/05/06
Somehow, that reminds me of the pot and the kettle.  Letophoro | 06/05/06
Conroe chipset uses 23.1 watts  sharikou | 06/06/06
130?  nucrash | 06/06/06
you are wrong  ck123 | 06/07/06
June 5, major DELL customer switches to HP for AMD64  sharikou | 06/05/06
Too little...and obviously too late  Cayble | 06/06/06
Intel Profits to Tumble!!!!  WiredGuy | 06/05/06
Intel's wishful thinking  sharikou | 06/05/06
P4 should have died long ago  georgeou | 06/05/06
What about the lost profits?  WiredGuy | 06/05/06
Intel's extreme edition 2.93 GHz processor isn't cheap  georgeou | 06/05/06
Any "EE" processor will cost around $1000 from Intel  ajole | 06/08/06
E6600 is mid to low-end  georgeou | 06/08/06
Intel non Conroe prices dropping like a rock  Cayble | 06/11/06
The Dan Quale of journalist publishes doom and gloom stories about AMD  DonnieBoy | 06/17/06
Samsung switches from Intel to AMD for UMPC  sharikou | 06/05/06
Why is everyone whining over facts?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/05/06
FX60 is obsolete now!!!  nucrash | 06/05/06
Pentium D is a value "SUV" processor  georgeou | 06/05/06
You said P4 should have died long ago  sharikou | 06/05/06
Yup, but $130 is a good price  georgeou | 06/05/06
You need to consider the total cost of ownership  sharikou | 06/05/06
6 excuses are pretty much the same one  nucrash | 06/05/06
HOW MUCH DOES INTEL PAY YOU?  loydc1@... | 06/29/06
Some good news from Intel....after  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 06/05/06
Where do you get 5 years?  georgeou | 06/05/06
Corrections and more Info  nucrash | 06/05/06
Excellent insight  georgeou | 06/05/06
Ahh.. rough times  nucrash | 06/06/06
well put sir  loydc1@... | 06/29/06
PC are obsolete  kjgslg@... | 06/05/06
Intel controlled benchmark @ Tomshardware  sharikou | 06/05/06
jmusto@pctb.com  jmusto@... | 06/05/06
Dual core is good for licensing in most cases  georgeou | 06/05/06
George Ou, you really need to read news  sharikou | 06/05/06
I did, but you're twisting the numbers  georgeou | 06/05/06
What Oracle did is equivalent to MS now  sharikou | 06/05/06
I don't think you get it yet  georgeou | 06/05/06
meaning of the word equivalent  jacec | 06/06/06
ZD Net lapdog for Intel and Microsoft  dtillman | 06/05/06
Let me get this straight  TonyMcS | 06/05/06
Reading OU's "articles" can only make me feel saddented by  michael_t | 06/05/06
In George's defense...  WiredGuy | 06/05/06
But Intel stopped  hawkeyeaz1 | 06/05/06
Intel is beating AMD with lower clock rates  georgeou | 06/05/06
George, clockspeed increase buys little  sharikou | 06/05/06
clockspeed  humble99 | 06/05/06
George... OU  Uralbas | 06/05/06
Conroe fragged by Athlon 64 X2 in multitasking  sharikou | 06/05/06
sharikou FRAGGED by reality  Cayble | 06/09/06
you know nothing of business  Scott W | 06/06/06
RSS a single Blog Article?  JetJaguar | 06/06/06
I'll submit this request  georgeou | 06/06/06
AMD still owns the desktop performance/price war  ajole | 06/08/06
Did you forget the Pentium D 2.66?  georgeou | 06/08/06
so what  turtleboy211 | 06/10/06
with a 533 fbs !  loydc1@... | 06/29/06
AMD/Linux WHINERS!!!!  ITJames5000 | 06/09/06
Are these "new" intels only 32 bit cpu's?  wizzzer | 06/15/06
First, these are 64 bit. Second, who uses 64 bit?  georgeou | 06/19/06
First, these are 64 bit. Second, who uses 64 bit?  loydc1@... | 06/29/06
The Intel shills come out of the woodwork...  realitycheck101 | 06/16/06
Will George Ou buy a CLUE?  realitycheck101 | 06/19/06
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Message has been deleted.  slack9999 | 07/13/06
About time  sscarfo | 07/16/06
Propaganda  Joe Knows | 09/15/06
Re: Large Dell customers switch to AMD  ger_forum@... | 08/16/07

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