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June 7th, 2006

Net neutrality and politics don't mix

Posted by George Ou @ 4:36 am

Categories: Infrastructure, Net Neutrality, Networking, Technology policy

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[Update: 12:00 AM June 9, 2006] The amount of political rhetoric coming from the Net neutrality crowd is at a fever pitch.  From MoveOn.org to SaveTheInternet.com practicing their brand of scare the public to a self-interest driven "do-no-evil" Google, the consistent message we're getting is this:  [More scare mongering here]

  • Internet Telco providers will control what you see on the net
  • There will be a two tiered Internet
  • Google or other websites might respond at a snails pace or work at all
  • Voice over IP telephony providers will be shut out

Would Google support "Search neutrality" regulation to ban search companies from providing premium search result placement at extra cost? What's needed is an intelligent and balanced debate on this topic, but the issue as represented by many in the media has been largely one sided.  Instead of seeing this as a battle of large corporations between companies like Google and AT&T, we are suppose to believe that it is just the "evil" Telco companies and the "evil" politicians they paid off opposing Net neutrality against the people.  If we are suppose to start with this premise, then we may as well not even have a debate since we've demonized any and all opposition to begin with.  [Update:  David Berlind posted a response to this].

Net neutrality is largely technological issue with very little to do with politics.  Do we honestly believe the politicians are capable of regulating the routers on the Internet when they have no clue how the Internet actually works?  This is the first time I've officially weighed in on this issue and I'm going to address this debate from a technology standpoint which has largely been missing.  I'm going to start by address the fear mongering point by point.

Internet Telco providers will control what you see on the net:
Oh really?  What part of the Internet do they control now and what services and websites are being filtered?  Sergey Brin of Google thinks that AT&T and Verizon's proposal to offer faster network performance to companies that pay more is tantamount to censorship.  But Internet Service providers are already providing traffic prioritization today in various forms and the Internet as we know it hasn't come to an end.  Anyone who's ever bought an Internet connection knows that ISPs will provide SLA (Service Level Agreements) for traffic prioritization at extra cost.

In the case of broadband access, some of us pay $15 a month for 1 mbps Internet service.  Others pay $25 a month for 3 mbps Internet service from the same ISP.  For businesses willing to fork out $90 a month, they even get to have "business class" DSL service where they get a much better ratio of backhaul throughput to the aggregate throughput of the customers sharing the same backhaul.  Oh and what about priority shipping of packages?  What is the difference between paying for priority shipping on a physical package versus an IP package?  Is this what they're referring to as "a two tiered Internet"?  Gosh imagine that!  Pay more money and get better throughput, of all the nerve!  [Update: Net neutrality extremists want to ban charges for premium services]

There will be a two tiered Internet:
Google provides better search placement for additional cost at the expense of companies who can't afford to pay, should this be illegal too?  Would Google support "Search neutrality" regulation to ban search companies from providing premium search result placement at extra cost?  Oh and what about Akamai Internet caching services?  Akamai provides premium throughput and caching to optimize content downloads for those who can afford it and if you can't, too bad.  Should this be outlawed too?

What about companies like FileShack.com?  They cap download performance for nonpaying customers at a pathetic 100 kbps while customers who pay extra get to download any content at much higher speeds.  Should we also ban them from offering two classes of service for the haves and have-nots?  Why not spread the wealth and spread the bandwidth so that everyone gets a bigger piece of the pie?  Hey let's take this to its logical conclusion and ban all forms of premium services.  Why should we have first class seating on airplanes where tons of space is "wasted" so that some poor soul like me has to be crammed in to the back of the plane?  I suppose if this were the Soviet Union, we would stop all the "inequities" so that we can all stand in line together for long periods of time while no one ever seeks to improve the status quo since there are zero incentives.

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Competition  Fandorin | 06/07/06
Ignoring reality.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
I don't know why the telcos are favoring consumers...  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
You missed the main point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Different issue.  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
It's the only issue.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Huh?  Shelendrea | 06/07/06
Only one choice  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Further...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
There's two customers here  NetArch. | 06/07/06
And both pay based on bits moved.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Again, it's "best effort" No Axe  georgeou | 06/07/06
No_Ax, I agree with you here...  NetArch. | 06/07/06
No_Ax, I agree with you here...Edit  NetArch. | 06/07/06
No limitations  Tim Patterson | 06/07/06
So a cable company monopoly is better?  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
Since you have DSL, you might want to check into resellers  toadlife | 06/07/06
Missing the point  Mike Page | 06/07/06
Additional pipes  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
You pay it all in the end - and only the accountants come out ahead  johnay | 06/07/06
Not if I don't use the service.  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
Maybe still missing the point  Mike Page | 06/07/06
Stopping at your first sentence  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
Question  Mike Page | 06/07/06
The telcos have been outshouted...  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
No, the telcos are lying through their teeth.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Message has been deleted.  slack9999 | 07/13/06
Did you read the part about BitTorrent  georgeou | 06/07/06
WRONG!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
There's no service in some areas because of the lack of population  georgeou | 06/07/06
Tell that to the people living in cites along the east coast.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
What does that have to do with Net neutrality?  georgeou | 06/07/06
Ou da Man!  KingPlayer | 06/07/06
Thanks, sorry for the midnight typo  georgeou | 06/07/06
Good analysis.  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
It is not about the money.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Not about "anything...on the net".  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
180 degrees backwards...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Please check again.  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
No, that is George's take and he is dead wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Great disinformation campaign.  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
Yes you have it wrong, from start to finish.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
That pipe does not now exist.  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
And Google foots the bill.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
The Problem That I See With That...  ThunderVamp9 | 06/07/06
The bits have to reach you...  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
And that has already been paid for.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
If the telcos are lying...  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
Too much spin is making you dizzy.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
You're looking at a billing method.  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
It is NOT about the billing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Message has been deleted.  slack9999 | 07/13/06
The Invisible Bureaucrat  DannyO_0x98 | 06/07/06
Clean water and politics don't mix.  Henry Miller | 06/07/06
Nice one  luke_sg | 06/07/06
Actually, it was the eco-nuts that killed people with dirty water  georgeou | 06/07/06
And the same nuts trying to ban Chlorine here in the USA  georgeou | 06/07/06
That's already being done today with bottled water  georgeou | 06/07/06
"No one is suggesting...  Henry Miller | 06/08/06
I Guess That Ends it!  wmlundine | 06/07/06
They got slapped down last year  georgeou | 06/07/06
Bad analogies  Roger Ramjet | 06/07/06
See: 180 degrees backwards. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Additional, dedicated lanes  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
Extending bad analogies  Roger Ramjet | 06/07/06
No, the lanes are already there, you can't use them.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
You're making the assumption...  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
Who is assuming anything?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Again, see BitTorrent  georgeou | 06/07/06
Where is this free market?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Not that they are getting a free ride...  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
HOW???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Message has been deleted.  slack9999 | 07/13/06
Not how the Internet works  georgeou | 06/07/06
Why are they terrified then?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Because the proposals...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 06/07/06
Where you went wrong John...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
You're entitled to "best effort" only  georgeou | 06/07/06
One more time George...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Still the wrong issue  bidemytime | 06/07/06
That's the way it has always been  georgeou | 06/07/06
You ae trying to change your argument and it won't work.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
No, I'm trying to raise the debate beyond the scare stories  georgeou | 06/07/06
Straw man argument  bidemytime | 06/07/06
Again, read my blog on the part about bittorrent  georgeou | 06/07/06
Tell you what...  bidemytime | 06/08/06
Answer was in blog but I'll answer again  georgeou | 06/08/06
Thanks for coming clean  bidemytime | 06/08/06
You're playing dirty while being ignorant of the facts  georgeou | 06/09/06
Nice try, George.  bidemytime | 06/09/06
I see you're not capable of answering the question  georgeou | 06/09/06
T-3 is a DS-3  NetArch. | 06/07/06
More info  NetArch. | 06/07/06
Message has been deleted.  slack9999 | 07/13/06
Miss a paycheck from Microsoft?  OhMyGosh | 06/07/06
No_Ax=1, George Ou=0  bidemytime | 06/07/06
Almost exactly spot on  NetArch. | 06/07/06
It's the Last Mile!  Chad Strunk | 06/07/06
Did you miss the part about the $500,000 fine?  georgeou | 06/07/06
Hmm, $23 million income per day, $500K fine.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
That's per infraction and they have to stop immediately  georgeou | 06/07/06
Sorry I disagree...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
When did I say I supported tossing out the rulings?  georgeou | 06/07/06
Nor did I, wonder why they are trying then?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
I don't care what the telcos want, I'm talking about policy  georgeou | 06/07/06
Message has been deleted.  slack9999 | 07/13/06
Pintos and Explorers  Chad Strunk | 06/08/06
Last Mile = Natural Monopoly?  NetArch. | 06/07/06
Couldn't agree with you more!  Chad Strunk | 06/08/06
Let's look at history for a second.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
Again, what does that have to do with more regulations?  georgeou | 06/07/06
The Telcos are not telling the truth  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
You keep changing the subject and not answering my question  georgeou | 06/07/06
Define what you call prioritization.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/08/06
What?  georgeou | 06/08/06
Absolutely not!  NetArch. | 06/08/06
George, check out what your colleague Tom Foremski is saying  NetArch. | 06/07/06
net neutrality  tswanson@... | 06/07/06
Have you ever built a VoIP LAN?  georgeou | 06/07/06
So then how does IM voice chat work so well?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
It doesn't always work well  georgeou | 06/07/06
And you are being obtuse.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/07/06
So you're for the Republican version of the bill then?  georgeou | 06/07/06
$15,000! Good heavens! The brutes!  JDThompson | 06/07/06
Oh no! Not that!  bgx90 | 06/09/06
That's $500,000 per infraction  georgeou | 06/09/06
Your point?  bgx90 | 06/09/06
No, it's all, only, and entirely about billing.  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
Connecticut authorizes AT&T television...  Anton Philidor | 06/07/06
QOS on the packet or the customer?  red_wolf@... | 06/08/06
So you'll ban all forms of tiered services then?  georgeou | 06/08/06
No, No, No  NetArch. | 06/08/06
Then we agree then  georgeou | 06/08/06
Why should there be prioritization at all?  bgx90 | 06/09/06
Wrong question  georgeou | 06/09/06
That didn't answer anything  bgx90 | 06/15/06
Single point fixation... relax George  red_wolf@... | 06/08/06
You keep dodging my question  georgeou | 06/08/06
Topic fixation... the topic is "dodging"  red_wolf@... | 06/09/06
That's called socialism  georgeou | 06/09/06
Who's dodging now?  red_wolf@... | 06/12/06
Can I buy a monopoly, please?  curmudgeon1 | 06/08/06
Did you read the part about the half million dollar fine?  georgeou | 06/08/06
My fear is telcos changing their pricing scheme  Feldon | 06/08/06
who is paying you for this  wangjks | 06/09/06
Source of confusion  bgx90 | 06/09/06
Net neutrality and policy DO mix  amacd | 06/10/06
net neutrality isn't about bandwidth  ncrichards | 06/11/06
You don't know what you are talking about  georgeou | 06/11/06
The problem is a company selling what it doesn't have  bgx90 | 06/15/06
But who pays the least and uses the most bandwidth  georgeou | 06/15/06

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