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June 8th, 2006

Net neutrality extremism versus common sense economics

Posted by George Ou @ 9:19 pm

Categories: Infrastructure, Net Neutrality, Networking, Technology policy

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[Updated 6/18/2006 2:00 AM] In my last blog, I stated that "Net neutrality and politics don't mix" and tried to move the debate beyond fear mongering but no one answered the call to answer some tough questions.  Organizations like MoveOn.org and companies like Google have latched on to a tiny portion of the Net neutrality bill in congress such as the Markey amendment and have hijacked the definition of Net neutrality.  They'll have you believe that if you oppose Markey or amendments like it, then you are for destroying the Internet by allowing the big evil Telcos to control what you see on the Internet or degrade competitor's services to monopolize the market.  But nothing could be further from the truth since the existing Net neutrality bill in congress without Markey's amendment mandates FCC oversight for all complaints within 90 days with fines of up to $500,000 per infraction.  Even before any talk of Net neutrality, the FCC slapped down Madison River Communications for blocking Vonage VoIP service with a $15,000 fine.

To scare the public, the Markey proponents have brought up the case of Craigslist and Cox Interactive which our own Tom Foremski has reported.  The problem is that the Craigslist incident has little to do with Net neutrality because it's all about a software bug in Authentium which Cox is using for security purposes [Upadate: This is actually a problem with Craigslist].  This has nothing to do with any of the amendments like Markey because all of them have provisions that have to allow for security software.  For example, my own ISP will block any infected PC that attempts to infect other computers on the Internet.  Foremski writes: "Craigslist has approached Authentium several times to get it to stop blocking access by Cox internet users but it has been unresponsive"  [Upadate: This is actually a problem with Craigslist and has nothing to do with Cox or Authentium].  Well if that's the case, that sounds like a civil lawsuit against Authentium for lost business over the course of recent months.  That has nothing to do with Net neutrality.  Hypothetically speaking, if there was a patch available from Authentium but Cox for some reason chose not to implement it because they have their own classified services, then that would fall under the existing bill's provisions for FCC oversight.  But even now, nothing prevents Craigslist from suing Cox interactive and Authentium [Upadate: Since this is a problem with Craigslist itself, it explains why no legal action was taken](more…)

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Great analogy  MWSherman | 06/08/06
Ugh. Terrible Analogy.  mmasnick | 06/09/06
You're confusing this with the last mile debate  georgeou | 06/09/06
I don't think so...  mmasnick | 06/09/06
How is "Soviet Style," extremist?  nucrash | 06/09/06
Socialists  warghoul | 06/09/06
Re: Socialists  amc78 | 06/09/06
What does the NRA or the Christian Coalition Know...  nucrash | 06/09/06
Alternatives are not bogus  voska | 06/09/06
And your being obtuse.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/09/06
Translation  John L. Ries | 06/09/06
No..  nucrash | 06/09/06
If the content providers (i.e. the source) are asking for more bandwidth  Artstar | 06/09/06
In otherwords... Like in say...  nucrash | 06/09/06
Not quite  mmasnick | 06/09/06
Regulations against truckers?  nucrash | 06/09/06
Trucks of a certain brand?  mmasnick | 06/09/06
Excellent  tliggins | 06/16/06
Wrong..  hchaudh1 | 06/09/06
USPS  Chad Strunk | 06/09/06
Same idea  georgeou | 06/09/06
There is no last-mile monopoly  MWSherman | 06/09/06
Sorry; the anaolgy fails  JDThompson | 06/09/06
What monopoly?  georgeou | 06/09/06
Maybe in *YOUR* part of the country  JDThompson | 06/09/06
Dear Moron, STFU!!!  nucrash | 06/09/06
Rural needs to adopt WiMax and Wi-Fi  georgeou | 06/09/06
Let's turn it around  JDThompson | 06/12/06
You got it backwards  georgeou | 06/12/06
More foolish analogies from George  red_wolf@... | 06/12/06
Priority service would be fine...  Patrick Jones | 06/09/06
exactly!  warghoul | 06/09/06
Repeat after this  georgeou | 06/09/06
Lame  none none | 06/09/06
That's clueless  georgeou | 06/09/06
Re: That's clueless  none none | 06/09/06
An Answer  nucrash | 06/09/06
Priority is not needed on a webpage  georgeou | 06/09/06
clarification  none none | 06/10/06
I even have the power to distribute video  georgeou | 06/10/06
I think that what this is all about  ebrke | 06/09/06
You missed my blog then  georgeou | 06/09/06
George, there's a problem with your assumptions.  Letophoro | 06/09/06
It's all about the ring tones darnit.  Zoraster | 06/09/06
Yours is a more accurate analogy  WiredGuy | 06/09/06
You're completely mistaken  georgeou | 06/09/06
I'm not mistaken.  Letophoro | 06/09/06
I don't even think you read page 3  georgeou | 06/09/06
Actually, I have - several times  Letophoro | 06/09/06
Ah, you read the first paragraph, we're getting somewhere.  georgeou | 06/09/06
So, government regulation is indeed what you want.  Letophoro | 06/09/06
Well then you're finally clear, you want socialism  georgeou | 06/09/06
George, my twelve year old can hold a more cogent argument than you.  Letophoro | 06/12/06
That wouldn't work  nucrash | 06/09/06
Who gets to decide  tobias2143@... | 06/09/06
NOT the user.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/09/06
If users decide to accept a paid service...  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
Re: If users decide to accept a paid service...  none none | 06/09/06
If it were the telcos paying more...  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
Fear Mongering?  wmlundine | 06/09/06
Yes, and Costco is heaven compared to the Soviet union  georgeou | 06/09/06
Competition drives, You lived through the alternative  nucrash | 06/09/06
Gas prices is all about supply for a couple of reasons  georgeou | 06/09/06
George, I can actually agree with you wholeheartedly on this one.  Letophoro | 06/09/06
ANWR is just one of the reasons  georgeou | 06/09/06
what a joke  big0mar | 06/10/06
Message has been deleted.  big0mar | 06/10/06
Communism and Capitalism  aldisp@... | 06/29/06
You Do have a Right to Take Offense  mejohnsn | 06/30/06
Repost  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/09/06
So what you're saying here is....  voska | 06/09/06
AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS PROTECTS US  jrhcod | 06/09/06
This isn't  warghoul | 06/09/06
Net Neutrality?  jrhcod | 06/09/06
Market? What market?  JimSatterfieldW | 06/09/06
Lots of People Forget this. Ou is not Alone.  mejohnsn | 06/30/06
Extra, dedicated pipes  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
Re: Extra, dedicated pipes  none none | 06/09/06
The telcos are providing television services  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
No, the priority ratio limitation compromise is critical  georgeou | 06/09/06
Matching cable.  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
I agree with you, but what about the compromise on page 3?  georgeou | 06/09/06
Might be technically feasible...  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
Responses  georgeou | 06/09/06
How will it work?  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
You're still missing point on Multicasting and Caching  georgeou | 06/09/06
Definitely need more information.  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
Easy to do  georgeou | 06/09/06
it seems to me  tobias2143@... | 06/09/06
I'm not sure your arguement is sound.  TheCrystalBall | 06/09/06
Trust but verify  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
That is BS  wangjks | 06/09/06
Innovation does need a push sometimes  Artstar | 06/09/06
Ask yourself that question  georgeou | 06/09/06
The ISP industry has survived thus far on...  Artstar | 06/09/06
What do you think my proposal on page 3 does?  georgeou | 06/10/06
I read it  Artstar | 06/10/06
So it's simple, you're for a socialist system  georgeou | 06/10/06
Yes, he's in jail  ebrke | 06/12/06
The Law  JimSatterfieldW | 06/12/06
Hey, wait a minute: your response is 'Knee-jerk', too.  mejohnsn | 06/30/06
Daylight (published metrics) and Competition  Chad Strunk | 06/09/06
Daylight good for everything  georgeou | 06/09/06
Then there's the weeds...  Chad Strunk | 06/09/06
Read the part about the fines and ratio limits  georgeou | 06/09/06
It's getting to the fine that I'm worried about.  Chad Strunk | 06/12/06
The law states that ALL complaints must be vetted  georgeou | 06/19/06
Technology advances are not over ...MESH  ggibson1 | 06/09/06
The telcos are already fighting this  timbc | 06/09/06
George keeps interjecting politics  timbc | 06/09/06
Nothing to read here - please moveon.org  wonsil@... | 06/10/06
Good one George ...  IanX | 06/09/06
Thank you  georgeou | 06/09/06
Oops  rapson | 06/09/06
It's tough  georgeou | 06/09/06
Utility?  jshaw4343 | 06/09/06
Again, you don't have 3 ways to get water  georgeou | 06/09/06
only one choice for internet  jshaw4343 | 06/09/06
Don't worry about QoS, worry about ratios  georgeou | 06/09/06
Where in the hell do you live?  nucrash | 06/09/06
There are pockets of area that only have 1  georgeou | 06/09/06
Close but wrong analogy  ryan8403 | 06/09/06
Ok, fair questions  georgeou | 06/09/06
DUH  big0mar | 06/10/06
Dont be a corporate puppet  big0mar | 06/10/06
Regulation vs Gauging  rickman@... | 06/10/06
You need to listen to George  wonsil@... | 06/10/06
Thank Ou  wonsil@... | 06/10/06
You're welcome  georgeou | 06/10/06
Subject started with AOL plan on emails  ramunno | 06/11/06
We already pay for faster connections and better quality of service  d6564 | 06/16/06
Is there reallycompetition among ISPs?  AES2 | 06/18/06
In most places, yes  georgeou | 06/19/06
Can you fix something  jaddison@... | 06/29/06
It can be un-done in the next Congress  WiredGuy | 06/29/06

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