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June 8th, 2006

Net neutrality extremism versus common sense economics

Posted by George Ou @ 9:19 pm

Categories: Infrastructure, Net Neutrality, Networking, Technology policy

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Net neutrality extremism and free markets don't mix

What the Net neutrality extremists don't want to do is debate the specific merits of the Markey amendment and I had a difficult time of getting any of the Markey proponents to address my specific question which is: Do we want to ban all forms of priority service.  If the answer is yes, do we also ban services like:

  • Priority mail
  • Priority shipping (FedEx, UPS, USPS, etc …)
  • Priority downloads (Gamespot.com, FileShack.com)
  • Priority seating (First class seating on planes)
  • Premium search result placement or "search neutrality" (Rep. Charles Gonzales amendment proposed to do precisely this!  Companies like Google should be careful on what they wish for.)

One slippery answer I got was: Well we don't want to ban priority service or QoS (Quality of Service); we just don't want anyone to be able to charge for it.  Take this specific portion of the Markey amendment:

SECTION 201. NETWORK NEUTRALITY.

(b) IN GENERAL.—Each broadband network provider has the duty—

(3) if the provider prioritizes or offers enhanced quality of service to data of a particular type, to prioritize or offer enhanced quality of service to all data of that type (regardless of the origin of such data) without imposing a surcharge or other consideration for such prioritization or enhanced quality of service;

Everyone will want priority service since the Government has declared it free but NO ONE will offer it because there is zero incentive to do so Well if no one can charge for it, why would anyone offer the service in the first place?  What if we told FedEx or any other shipping company they can't charge for priority overnight shipping and that if they want to offer priority service, then they can't discriminate against the sender and all packages must be sent via priority shipping?  What do you think would happen to priority overnight delivery service?  The exact same thing that happens in any socialist system like the Soviet Union where lines were a mile long and service was lousy.  Under such a system, everyone will want priority service since the Government has declared it free but NO ONE will offer it because there is zero incentive to do so.  When you declare everyone gets priority service or no one gets it, the end result will always be no one gets it.

If we look the priority shipping example, I'll often go with the cheapest ground shipping method.  Of course "ground" shipping doesn't necessarily mean something is literally shipped by ground, what it really means is something is shipped by "best effort".  This means if there is room on an airplane to ship something overnight when all other priority overnight packages are already on board, then the standard priority packages will get shipped along with the priority packages.  This means I'll sometimes get my "ground shipping" package in one day and sometimes it might take up to 5 days which is still perfectly workable if I'm not willing to pay extra to get guaranteed overnight delivery.  The same thing applies to VoIP packets on the Internet.  Businesses often buy enhanced quality of service with priority packet forwarding for a set amount of data throughput today.  For those who pay for enhanced QoS, their VoIP packets may take 20 to 40 milliseconds to get to their destination.  For those who don't pay for enhanced QoS who have settled for cheaper "best effort" service, their VoIP packets may take 20 to 100 milliseconds to get to their destination.  In the typical "best effort" scenario, VoIP still works fine though the quality may range from excellent to tolerable.  In the case of enhanced QoS customers, the sound quality is almost always excellent.  This is how a free market society works; pay average prices and get average service, pay premium prices and get premium service.  So long as no one deliberately stops the packets or deliberately slows them down, everything should be perfectly legal. (more…)

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Great analogy  MWSherman | 06/08/06
Ugh. Terrible Analogy.  mmasnick | 06/09/06
You're confusing this with the last mile debate  georgeou | 06/09/06
I don't think so...  mmasnick | 06/09/06
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Translation  John L. Ries | 06/09/06
No..  nucrash | 06/09/06
If the content providers (i.e. the source) are asking for more bandwidth  Artstar | 06/09/06
In otherwords... Like in say...  nucrash | 06/09/06
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Regulations against truckers?  nucrash | 06/09/06
Trucks of a certain brand?  mmasnick | 06/09/06
Excellent  tliggins | 06/16/06
Wrong..  hchaudh1 | 06/09/06
USPS  Chad Strunk | 06/09/06
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There is no last-mile monopoly  MWSherman | 06/09/06
Sorry; the anaolgy fails  JDThompson | 06/09/06
What monopoly?  georgeou | 06/09/06
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You got it backwards  georgeou | 06/12/06
More foolish analogies from George  red_wolf@... | 06/12/06
Priority service would be fine...  Patrick Jones | 06/09/06
exactly!  warghoul | 06/09/06
Repeat after this  georgeou | 06/09/06
Lame  none none | 06/09/06
That's clueless  georgeou | 06/09/06
Re: That's clueless  none none | 06/09/06
An Answer  nucrash | 06/09/06
Priority is not needed on a webpage  georgeou | 06/09/06
clarification  none none | 06/10/06
I even have the power to distribute video  georgeou | 06/10/06
I think that what this is all about  ebrke | 06/09/06
You missed my blog then  georgeou | 06/09/06
George, there's a problem with your assumptions.  Letophoro | 06/09/06
It's all about the ring tones darnit.  Zoraster | 06/09/06
Yours is a more accurate analogy  WiredGuy | 06/09/06
You're completely mistaken  georgeou | 06/09/06
I'm not mistaken.  Letophoro | 06/09/06
I don't even think you read page 3  georgeou | 06/09/06
Actually, I have - several times  Letophoro | 06/09/06
Ah, you read the first paragraph, we're getting somewhere.  georgeou | 06/09/06
So, government regulation is indeed what you want.  Letophoro | 06/09/06
Well then you're finally clear, you want socialism  georgeou | 06/09/06
George, my twelve year old can hold a more cogent argument than you.  Letophoro | 06/12/06
That wouldn't work  nucrash | 06/09/06
Who gets to decide  tobias2143@... | 06/09/06
NOT the user.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/09/06
If users decide to accept a paid service...  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
Re: If users decide to accept a paid service...  none none | 06/09/06
If it were the telcos paying more...  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
Fear Mongering?  wmlundine | 06/09/06
Yes, and Costco is heaven compared to the Soviet union  georgeou | 06/09/06
Competition drives, You lived through the alternative  nucrash | 06/09/06
Gas prices is all about supply for a couple of reasons  georgeou | 06/09/06
George, I can actually agree with you wholeheartedly on this one.  Letophoro | 06/09/06
ANWR is just one of the reasons  georgeou | 06/09/06
what a joke  big0mar | 06/10/06
Message has been deleted.  big0mar | 06/10/06
Communism and Capitalism  aldisp@... | 06/29/06
You Do have a Right to Take Offense  mejohnsn | 06/30/06
Repost  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/09/06
So what you're saying here is....  voska | 06/09/06
AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS PROTECTS US  jrhcod | 06/09/06
This isn't  warghoul | 06/09/06
Net Neutrality?  jrhcod | 06/09/06
Market? What market?  JimSatterfieldW | 06/09/06
Lots of People Forget this. Ou is not Alone.  mejohnsn | 06/30/06
Extra, dedicated pipes  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
Re: Extra, dedicated pipes  none none | 06/09/06
The telcos are providing television services  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
No, the priority ratio limitation compromise is critical  georgeou | 06/09/06
Matching cable.  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
I agree with you, but what about the compromise on page 3?  georgeou | 06/09/06
Might be technically feasible...  Anton Philidor | 06/09/06
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You're still missing point on Multicasting and Caching  georgeou | 06/09/06
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it seems to me  tobias2143@... | 06/09/06
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The ISP industry has survived thus far on...  Artstar | 06/09/06
What do you think my proposal on page 3 does?  georgeou | 06/10/06
I read it  Artstar | 06/10/06
So it's simple, you're for a socialist system  georgeou | 06/10/06
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The Law  JimSatterfieldW | 06/12/06
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Daylight (published metrics) and Competition  Chad Strunk | 06/09/06
Daylight good for everything  georgeou | 06/09/06
Then there's the weeds...  Chad Strunk | 06/09/06
Read the part about the fines and ratio limits  georgeou | 06/09/06
It's getting to the fine that I'm worried about.  Chad Strunk | 06/12/06
The law states that ALL complaints must be vetted  georgeou | 06/19/06
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George keeps interjecting politics  timbc | 06/09/06
Nothing to read here - please moveon.org  wonsil@... | 06/10/06
Good one George ...  IanX | 06/09/06
Thank you  georgeou | 06/09/06
Oops  rapson | 06/09/06
It's tough  georgeou | 06/09/06
Utility?  jshaw4343 | 06/09/06
Again, you don't have 3 ways to get water  georgeou | 06/09/06
only one choice for internet  jshaw4343 | 06/09/06
Don't worry about QoS, worry about ratios  georgeou | 06/09/06
Where in the hell do you live?  nucrash | 06/09/06
There are pockets of area that only have 1  georgeou | 06/09/06
Close but wrong analogy  ryan8403 | 06/09/06
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DUH  big0mar | 06/10/06
Dont be a corporate puppet  big0mar | 06/10/06
Regulation vs Gauging  rickman@... | 06/10/06
You need to listen to George  wonsil@... | 06/10/06
Thank Ou  wonsil@... | 06/10/06
You're welcome  georgeou | 06/10/06
Subject started with AOL plan on emails  ramunno | 06/11/06
We already pay for faster connections and better quality of service  d6564 | 06/16/06
Is there reallycompetition among ISPs?  AES2 | 06/18/06
In most places, yes  georgeou | 06/19/06
Can you fix something  jaddison@... | 06/29/06
It can be un-done in the next Congress  WiredGuy | 06/29/06

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