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July 17th, 2006

Who to believe on power consumption? AMD or Intel?

Posted by George Ou @ 2:38 am

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AMD is on a full marketing counter offensive after the unanimous praise heaped upon Intel's new Core2 "Conroe" desktop processor and are claiming that Intel's low-power ratings are based on a skewed metric.  AMD's reasoning is that AMD's TDP (Thermal Design Power) rating is based on maximum power draw while Intel's power rating is based more on typical power consumption and therefore exaggerated.  Furthermore, AMD argues that we must look at the whole picture by measuring the power consumed on the entire computer.  In fact at last month's press conference at AMD's headquarters, everyone was given a power meter to take home to measure power at the wall.  But does AMD's argument have any merit?  TomsHardware seems to have the answer when they measured power consumption of identical systems with the exception of AMD or Intel motherboards and CPUs.

Intel rates their new C2D Extreme x6800 processor at 75 watt TDP while AMD rates their new Athlon 64 FX-62 Extreme processor at 125 watt TDP which has a theoretical difference of 50 watts.  Since Intel uses an external memory controller on the motherboard, that theoretically translates in to an additional 20 watts of maximum power used by Intel based motherboards so the power advantage should be much smaller than 50 watts if we are to believe AMD.  Here are the actual system level measurements from TomsHardware:


* Represents power save idle mode

If we are to believe AMD's claims that Intel uses dubious TDP numbers and has more power hungry chipsets on the motherboard, then we should be seeing a difference far lower than 50 watts and perhaps even a wash.  But looking at the highlighted figures, AMD's overall power consumption was actually 66 watts higher than Intel!  This (based on TomsHardware numbers) would seem to indicate that not only is Intel NOT over exaggerating their power efficiency numbers, but they're actually being more conservative than AMD.  I threw in an overclocked Intel X6800 at a blazing 3.46 GHz for good measure and even that uses 51 watts less power than the AMD FX-62.

If that wasn't bad enough news, we also see that Intel's mid-end E6600 Core2 desktop processor at 2.4 GHz savaged the 2.8 GHz AMD FX-62 on nearly every single benchmark while costing more than three times less.  Note that these performance numbers are being echoed by every other hardware enthusiast site on the web.  If a 2.4 GHz Core2 can do that much damage, it's hard to imagine what a 3.46 or even 4 GHz Core2 can do.  The Core2 processors are already showing some really nice overclocking properties while AMD's FX line doesn't seem to have much room to clock.  When I issued the dire warning on AMD back in March, I was blasted by AMD fans for posting dubious numbers from a benchmark set up by Intel but it looks like those numbers were legitimate after all.  Considering the fact that even the $224 2.13 GHz E6400 Core2 is giving the AMD FX-62 a run for the money on many benchmarks, AMD is truly in a dire situation and they're under immense pressure to cut prices since Intel has already announced massive price cuts on their legacy Netburst CPUs.  Now with the power argument out the window, it would take a miracle to AMD back in the race.

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Even if I'm a regular user and buyer of AMD CPU, I have to admit that today Intel is back to the top and that it is AMD chasing to gain back this place. However as somebody was telling in another mess... (Read the rest)
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Well George...  Arnout Groen | 07/17/06
And to make sure  Arnout Groen | 07/17/06
Not really, that was included in the results  georgeou | 07/17/06
That's funny for not helping much how is it  Bill F. | 07/17/06
Die shrinks don't automatically translate in to a big dip  georgeou | 07/17/06
Not identical on the extreme products  georgeou | 07/17/06
Haha..AMD caught in their own gimmick!!  Prognosticator | 07/17/06
Depends....  Arnout Groen | 07/17/06
Agree, but..  Prognosticator | 07/17/06
I agree as well...  Arnout Groen | 07/17/06
Wasn't much of an upper hand  georgeou | 07/17/06
Maybe George...  Arnout Groen | 07/18/06
Where in the world do you get your pricing?  georgeou | 07/18/06
Appology George...  Arnout Groen | 07/18/06
And what mistake did I make?  georgeou | 07/18/06
George...  Arnout Groen | 07/18/06
That Pentium D is slower, so what?  georgeou | 07/18/06
Ehh George....  Arnout Groen | 07/24/06
Tom's hardware = intel fanboys  Canadian falcon | 07/17/06
Are these your numbers, George?  linux_for_me | 07/17/06
As I said in the blog  georgeou | 07/17/06
Who are you? Or think you might be? Ha!  Cayble | 07/17/06
When Goerge speaks, I'm a sceptic.  linux_for_me | 07/18/06
FX not a good example  t_mohajir | 07/17/06
EE line is hard to get a hold of  georgeou | 07/17/06
The only reason Intel has slashed...  ju1ce | 07/17/06
It was not that far behind on performance  georgeou | 07/17/06
DDR2  Canadian falcon | 07/17/06
I only believe the power company  nucrash | 07/17/06
Well another interesting thing...  ju1ce | 07/17/06
Intel extreme almost as good as AMD's most frugal part!  georgeou | 07/17/06
Thing is George...  ju1ce | 07/17/06
Wow if it was power consumption that mattered  Bill F. | 07/17/06
Why Crusoe Died!!!  nucrash | 07/17/06
Pentium M killed the Crusoe  georgeou | 07/17/06
That was the nail in the coffin.  nucrash | 07/17/06
AMD still owns 4 sockets and above  georgeou | 07/17/06
too bad no FX60 was used  Canadian falcon | 07/17/06
I said AMD's most energy efficient parts, FX-60 would be worse  georgeou | 07/18/06
...???  Canadian falcon | 07/18/06
Who cares?  jsharsky-3@... | 07/17/06
Geraldo Ownz j00  nucrash | 07/17/06
Toms Hardware  jboyd@... | 07/17/06
Everyone is reporting same numbers  georgeou | 07/17/06
no , i think  not of this world | 07/18/06
Cafe Standards for IT?  wmlundine | 07/17/06
At LAST!! Intel surpassed an older AMD processor wink !!!  michael_t | 07/17/06
AMD AM2-based FX-62 is "old"?  georgeou | 07/17/06
They came out a few months before the duo and they use  michael_t | 07/17/06
FX-62 only came out last month  georgeou | 07/17/06
Athlon 64 FX62 vs New chip  Canadian falcon | 07/17/06
You're part right  georgeou | 07/17/06
still based on 31/2 year old tech  Canadian falcon | 07/17/06
its the same thing....  doh123 | 07/18/06
Price pressure?...not!  techboy_z | 07/17/06
The truth...  techboy_z | 07/17/06
Again, everyone else is running the same numbers  georgeou | 07/17/06
Fallacious conclusion...  techboy_z | 07/17/06
The past is a good indication of reputation  georgeou | 07/17/06
Perhaps...  techboy_z | 07/18/06
so what you are saying....  JoeMama_z | 07/17/06
Well...  zkiwi | 07/17/06
These are every bit 64 bit enabled  georgeou | 07/17/06
EM64T =/ 64 bit  Canadian falcon | 07/17/06
EM64T is copied from AMD manual  georgeou | 07/18/06
first specs disprove that  Canadian falcon | 07/18/06
I think...  zkiwi | 07/18/06
Running a server farm, then it matters  WiredGuy | 07/17/06
So now power doesn't matter?  georgeou | 07/17/06
planning on upgrading more than 5 computers? it matters...  JoeMama_z | 07/17/06
Every little bit helps  WiredGuy | 07/17/06
It's not just a "little bit"  georgeou | 07/17/06
You miss understood me....  JoeMama_z | 07/17/06
AMD x Intel  jurgislasevicius@... | 07/17/06
George, when will these new processor ship?  WiredGuy | 07/17/06
Late July  georgeou | 07/17/06
The faster?  professordnm | 07/17/06
AMD vs INTEL  tsantossantos@... | 07/17/06
Sorry you feel that way  georgeou | 07/17/06
Amd vs Intel  tsantossantos@... | 07/17/06
It's not just power consumption, it's performance as well  georgeou | 07/17/06
Power Specs  Dr Blog | 07/17/06
Over a 32 bit only Intel processor on certain tasks, maybe  georgeou | 07/17/06
You don't need to. PlanetX64 did it for you.  osreinstall | 07/19/06
The story is on the front page.  osreinstall | 07/20/06
Thanks  georgeou | 07/21/06
Whom to believe  lsatenstein@... | 07/17/06
jeez, wake up...choose carefully what to compare...  gogomete | 07/18/06
2 month release difference is not much  georgeou | 07/18/06
They do and they don't  nucrash | 07/18/06
4x4 is questionable  georgeou | 07/18/06
FX-2 was designed for and BEAT the Penium4s.  michael_t | 07/18/06
Only if you want to wait 2 years  georgeou | 07/18/06
I don't know if the next gen is two years away; I sure  michael_t | 07/18/06
Is this George Ou or Chicken Little?  bidemytime | 07/18/06
See my thumb...  nucrash | 07/18/06
Dunce  bidemytime | 07/18/06
Oh, don't start me on THG  nucrash | 07/19/06
Take a seat George  Robert Crocker | 07/18/06
Intel had Microsoft...  nucrash | 07/18/06
AMD didn't have Dell  Robert Crocker | 07/18/06
Nice to see Intel back on track.  D. W. Bierbaum | 07/18/06
Agreeing with George is making me ill!  Reverend MacFellow | 07/18/06
Actually a positive thing  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 07/22/06
AMD knows innovation  mr fox | 08/18/06
Intel back in the business  xtophekoo | 11/03/06

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