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August 20th, 2006

Vicious orchestrated assault on MacBook wireless researchers

Posted by George Ou @ 5:14 am

Categories: Defcon2006, Hardware, Mobile/Wireless, Networking, News, Security, ~Events~

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There has been a vicious orchestrated assault on researcher David Maynor and the company SecureWorks claiming that the Maynor and SecureWorks falsified their research presented at Black Hat 2006.  In a video demonstration, Maynor completely took over an Apple MacBook using a vulnerability in a third party wireless driver.  MacWorld's Jim Dalrymple was the first to regurgitate this bogus story on Thursday and followed up with "MacBook Wi-Fi hack exposed" by calling the original research a "misrepresentation".  David Chartier of "The Unofficial Apple Weblog" went as far as saying "SecureWorks admits to falsifying MacBook wireless hack".  Plenty of other media outlets were fed the same story but most of them knew better and refused to run this bogus story.  But once Digg and Slashdot ran with this story on Friday, all hell broke loose and the story has infected the blogsphere.

I was absolutely shocked when I ran across these stories on Digg.  I had personally video interviewed Maynor and his partner Jon "Johnny Cache" Ellch and these two gentlemen were very honest and straightforward.  But as soon as I read the stories, the stench began to rise.  Maynor and SecureWorks had been telling the truth the entire time and they had falsified nothing.  The only falsification going on was the stories themselves!  Not only did Dalrymple and Chartier and others like them not follow the most basic of journalism principles to at least check with the source, they apparently didn't even bother looking at the original video of David Manor released by SecureWorks.

So what exactly are Maynor and SecureWorks accused of falsifying?  They are accused of "admitting" that the wireless hack was an exploit of a third party device and a third party driver.  The only problem with this accusation is that it isn't exactly news since this is precisely what Maynor and company have been saying all along.  This was not only evident in my video interview, but it was even in Maynor's original video demonstration along with every other news report earlier this month during Black Hat.  In the first 20 seconds of the original video, Maynor bluntly states:

David Maynor: "Don't think however just because we're attacking an Apple, the flaw itself is in an Apple. We're actually using a third party wireless card".

Here's a transcript of my video interview asking about third party hardware and drivers.

George Ou: "Why would they be at fault… it would seem to me that the people that wrote the code have nothing to do with Apple"
David Maynor: "Right"
George Ou: "This is not an exploit on the AirPort card from Apple?"
David Maynor: "No"

So Maynor and SecureWorks have been telling the truth about this being a third party driver and hardware from the very beginning and they never misrepresented anything.  If anything, Maynor went out of his way to avoid implicating any issues on the part of Apple because Brian Krebs of The Washington Post reported that Apple had leaned on Maynor and SecureWorks not to disclose the fact that the default Mac wireless hardware and default drivers were in fact vulnerable as well.  When I asked Maynor about this at Black Hat, Maynor would not confirm or deny whether Apple had leaned on him or not saying that he didn't want to discuss it at the moment.  Brian Krebs who himself had been flamed by Mac enthusiasts defended himself by releasing a word-for-word transcript of an audio tape interview he had with David Maynor in his hotel room.  The transcript clearly reveals that Maynor had demonstrated the same exploit on a Mac without any third party wireless hardware!  It also turns out Maynor chose an external third party hardware wireless adapter to avoid focusing attention on possible Apple hardware and software issues which may endanger Mac users.

I'm going to f***ing kill you and your dog!

When I contacted David Maynor by email and later phoned him late Saturday night, Maynor was very disturbed by the whole incident.  He had already been receiving hate mail and even death threats at the Black Hat convention but the threats had escalated with this latest fabricated story about him falsifying his research.  In one such threat, the person stated "I'm going to f***ing kill you and your dog" to which Maynor replied "I don't have a dog".  Maynor was even more disgusted with the despicable way this story was set up and then planted in the press though I've been asked not to reveal any more details at this time.  What I can tell you is that Maynor and SecureWorks will not be taking this laying down and the fireworks will start in the next couple of days.  [Update 3/21/2007 - Apple set this whole thing up]

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    40 days of taking it lying down
    Maybe you want to update that part about them not taking it lying down and the fireworks starting in a couple of days?

    Try starting out with, "I was wrong...", because you seem completely unfaz... (Read the rest)
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    Maybe ...  Vily Clay | 08/20/06
    You first.....:)  Laff | 08/20/06
    Are fanatics able to see the truth about their ?Gods? and ?God?s? goodies?  Vily Clay | 08/20/06
    Welll I have to admit that does explain some things..  Laff | 08/20/06
    Wow Laff, thanks to Jobs you don?t even have brains to think on your own ..  Vily Clay | 08/20/06
    Thats the extent of my choices? Man!!!  Laff | 08/21/06
    You Laff, as always, have only one choice ? the Jobs? one.  Vily Clay | 08/21/06
    You are a sick little puppy arent you...:)  Laff | 08/21/06
    Try this article ...it's a well written and thought out response.  Laff | 08/22/06
    You Laff, proved that you like a zombie can?t see truth.  Vily Clay | 08/22/06
    You do realize that no one cares right?  Laff | 08/22/06
    Basically what Apple does if it would be a car-manufacturer:  Vily Clay | 08/22/06
    Are you saying I over paid when I spent $50,000.00  Laff | 08/22/06
    As you see Laff, there are no reasons to worry ? you are not alone.  Vily Clay | 08/22/06
    Typical...  tangent001 | 08/23/06
    You tangent001, lost common sense-find it & pick it up, then come back (NT)  Vily Clay | 08/24/06
    Who might have beat them?  Cayble | 08/21/06
    Actiually in the past there has been times where companies  Laff | 08/21/06
    If this is true ,,,  Intellihence | 08/21/06
    It?s sad when people love a tyrant-like pathological liars ? la Jobs. (NT)  Vily Clay | 08/21/06
    Whoa horsey , you mean Bill Gates right ,,,  Intellihence | 08/22/06
    Watch the movie - "Pirates of Silicon Valley" (1999) (NT)  Vily Clay | 08/22/06
    I did...liked it. What's your point?  Laff | 08/22/06
    Same as I told before ? you are praying to a Stalin-like tyrant. (NT)  Vily Clay | 08/22/06
    Now it'sclear too me Vily......  Laff | 08/22/06
    Can Laff-fanatic question his God? Never.  Vily Clay | 08/22/06
    Laff... you're a glutton for punishment  MacCanuck | 08/22/06
    heh heh heh I am mean....  Laff | 08/22/06
    Laff thanks for proof that you?re a sheep who loves rotten Apples. (NT)  Vily Clay | 08/22/06
    If you want a picture of Gates (better than he is) ? watch "Antitrust" (NT)  Vily Clay | 08/22/06
    then why...  flintwall | 08/20/06
    Blogging is not jounalism  zmud | 08/21/06
    You are full of bologna  Cayble | 08/21/06
    Question...  brichpmr@... | 08/20/06
    As I mentioned in the blog  georgeou | 08/20/06
    OK George what does this mean? Break it down please  Laff | 08/20/06
    Read second to last paragraph  georgeou | 08/20/06
    OK....I get it now "Black Hat" heh heh heh  Laff | 08/20/06
    It's still misleading  David513b | 08/20/06
    Read second to last paragraph  georgeou | 08/20/06
    still, thats not proof  doh123 | 08/21/06
    witnesses  richvball44 | 08/26/06
    Bad judgement...  GaryRM | 08/20/06
    Something doesn't jive here...  NtroP | 08/20/06
    Attack Justified  hammeroftruth | 08/20/06
    Just stop reading here...  flintwall | 08/20/06
    And Jim was there?  georgeou | 08/20/06
    What's your point?  jragosta | 08/25/06
    like your buddy  richvball44 | 08/26/06
    Relevant quote from link  SquishyParts | 08/20/06
    What are you going to say when you're proven wrong?  georgeou | 08/20/06
    How about you?  1macgeek | 08/21/06
    I mentioned Jon in the blog  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Smear Campaign?  1macgeek | 08/22/06
    You are right of course, but....  Mikael_z | 08/22/06
    Daring Fireball Bitchslap  1macgeek | 08/22/06
    1macgeek using smoke and mirrors.  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    I suspect that George is thrilled by being....  Mikael_z | 08/23/06
    Open the Windows, it stinks in here!  Bob_39902 | 08/20/06
    Another Apple drone speaks  kiddpeat | 08/21/06
    Lacking an intelligent argument...  jragosta | 08/26/06
    Again misleading!  Jeffsters | 08/20/06
    Again, that doesn't exclude Apple bundled hardware  georgeou | 08/20/06
    Not true!  Jeffsters | 08/20/06
    Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about here  georgeou | 08/20/06
    OMG!  Jeffsters | 08/21/06
    Oddly enough...  zkiwi | 08/21/06
    Maybe it would help.....  jragosta | 08/26/06
    and when do pathetic Macfan  Mectron | 08/21/06
    Orchestrated?  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 08/20/06
    Yes, orchestrated  georgeou | 08/20/06
    Prove it.  NtroP | 08/20/06
    Yes, he wasn't even there  georgeou | 08/20/06
    Re: Yes, he wasn't even there  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 08/20/06
    You keep an open mind, but you don't condemn  georgeou | 08/20/06
    Re: You keep an open mind, but you don't condemn  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 08/21/06
    What?!?  frgough | 08/21/06
    A responsible security researcher ....  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    Reply to Shadetree  frgough | 08/21/06
    reply to frgough  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    So dead wrong its unreal  Cayble | 08/21/06
    Re: So dead wrong its unreal  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 08/22/06
    Hey Jose!  Cayble | 08/23/06
    Working with Apple?  Free_Thinker | 08/20/06
    You're getting ahead of yourself  georgeou | 08/20/06
    Orchestrated?  Bob_39902 | 08/21/06
    Oh, goody  jragosta | 08/25/06
    Someone's saying the emperor is naked!  kiddpeat | 08/21/06
    vicous attacks and lit cigarettes  Digsa | 08/20/06
    You're misdirecting that quote  georgeou | 08/20/06
    Nice spin  SquishyParts | 08/20/06
    And you talked with Maynor?  georgeou | 08/20/06
    not always true  doh123 | 08/21/06
    So if it wasn't directed at Mac users ,  Intellihence | 08/21/06
    How about the writers and actors, or  kiddpeat | 08/21/06
    Unacceptable , completely ,,,  Intellihence | 08/21/06
    he said users...  doh123 | 08/21/06
    Setting the tone  Gankaku | 08/20/06
    Again, that comment was directed at the commercials  georgeou | 08/20/06
    or so he claims now... NT  doh123 | 08/21/06
    You can't have one without the other  Intellihence | 08/21/06
    Still not the whole story  tracker_oz | 08/20/06
    Don't be so sure about Mac hardware  georgeou | 08/20/06
    Bias was so evident!  netzd | 08/20/06
    You admit you don't understand, yet you're willing to believe this is a lie  georgeou | 08/20/06
    Understand?  SquishyParts | 08/20/06
    Yes, we know  jragosta | 08/26/06
    Clarifying the accusations  dcharti | 08/20/06
    Explain your lie in your title and story David  georgeou | 08/20/06
    An explanation  dcharti | 08/20/06
    Again, you didn't answer why you're blatently lying  georgeou | 08/20/06
    Waiting  nECrO_z | 08/21/06
    well...  doh123 | 08/21/06
    The word is "libel"  GW Mahoney | 08/21/06
    george, you are a troll  georgep_z | 08/22/06
    Maybe this will help  dcharti | 08/22/06
    Deciphering Stuff like this is what I?m trained to d  Cayble | 08/23/06
    You're trained in this...  timyu | 08/23/06
    timyu...  Cayble | 08/23/06
    Respose to Cayble from timyu  timyu | 08/24/06
    George, you are such an MS shill.  nomorems | 08/21/06
    Re:"I'm going to f***ing kill you and your dog!"  Scrat | 08/20/06
    that was the part that made me laugh...  Monkey_MCSE | 08/21/06
    Wow! Talk about ...  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    aww, the truth hurts shade??  Monkey_MCSE | 08/21/06
    Microsoft Windows users have 90% share of the market meaning ,  Intellihence | 08/21/06
    The difference is we don't ...  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    Really?  zkiwi | 08/21/06
    How does it sound religious?  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    You don't?  georgep_z | 08/22/06
    To georgep_z:  rapson | 08/22/06
    Well...  zkiwi | 08/22/06
    I only know what Apples says publicly ...  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    I wouldn't guarantee that statement  John Zern | 08/21/06
    To an extent I imagine you are right....however  Laff | 08/21/06
    Ok, now you crossed the f#*$^* line buddy  Scrat | 08/22/06
    Actually Monkey, your statement holds true  Scrat | 08/22/06
    Re: "As for your comment about jihadists"  Scrat | 08/22/06
    first,thats not an OS patch...  doh123 | 08/21/06
    ...I can't even find the words to describe it...  Hitparader | 08/21/06
    Not the first time  Hitparader | 08/21/06
    I can understand them Mac users  lamp299 | 08/21/06
    When your self esteem is in your OS?  Cayble | 08/23/06
    Sadly, you have it backwards  jragosta | 08/26/06
    Maybe...  jragosta | 08/25/06
    They just don't understand  TonyMcS | 08/20/06
    Disagree......  Laff | 08/20/06
    Oh Tony...  Jeffsters | 08/20/06
    Oh Jeff  TonyMcS | 08/20/06
    Even Bigger vast ocean of non-technical beings on PCs -NT  raycote | 08/21/06
    Oh Jeffer, stop with the absurdity please  Scrat | 08/21/06
    waiting & waiting & waiting to be let loose on Macs- we are waiting? - NT  raycote | 08/21/06
    Absurdity?  Jeffsters | 08/21/06
    TonyMS Troll Alert  ewelch | 08/20/06
    That's TonyMcS  TonyMcS | 08/20/06
    most mac users don't have to be technical though..  Monkey_MCSE | 08/21/06
    TonyMcS you lucky guy! -living in a world where everything you know is true  raycote | 08/21/06
    Wow  TonyMcS | 08/21/06
    anecdotal evidence does not a fact make  CMKRNL | 08/21/06
    Talk about non-technical  TonyMcS | 08/21/06
    simple - figure it out yourself.  CMKRNL | 08/22/06
    Re: They just don't understand  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 08/20/06
    wink  TonyMcS | 08/20/06
    You aren't the only one  CMKRNL | 08/22/06
    thats the problem  doh123 | 08/21/06
    They don't understand  timpin1@... | 08/22/06
    Actually  CMKRNL | 08/22/06
    Vicious Attack? DESERVED! Death threats? No.  jbelkin | 08/20/06
    Stop spreading these lies  georgeou | 08/20/06
    stab comments  SquishyParts | 08/20/06
    Apple's Response:  Jeffsters | 08/20/06
    Hmmm - why not deny it?  TonyMcS | 08/20/06
    Logical Fallacy  tangent001 | 08/21/06
    What?  Jeffsters | 08/21/06
    BTW...  Jeffsters | 08/21/06
    Someone's lying  MacKeyser | 08/21/06
    Re: Stop spreading these lies  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 08/20/06
    Mac users don't take this as a joke ,  Intellihence | 08/21/06
    Was there an election ...  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    Apple bites dog!!!  Len Rooney | 08/20/06
    Explain the lies against them  georgeou | 08/20/06
    Dog Fight  Len Rooney | 08/21/06
    You missed the facts  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Corroboration?  Len Rooney | 08/21/06
    Because you don't know all the facts  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Ok then...  zkiwi | 08/21/06
    You don;t know all the facts  nomorems | 08/21/06
    Stop being so dramatic  Len Rooney | 08/21/06
    the reason why...  doh123 | 08/21/06
    Not a lighted cigarette  Bob_39902 | 08/21/06
    TRUTH is the FIRST VICTIM...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 08/21/06
    Missing the facts  Gankaku | 08/21/06
    Ou = Dvorak ?  MacCanuck | 08/21/06
    Correction  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Correction  nomorems | 08/21/06
    actually...  doh123 | 08/21/06
    Couple problems with your statements  georgeou | 08/21/06
    You're full of it George  MacCanuck | 08/22/06
    I don't know when the original was posted...  nomorems | 08/22/06
    Then explain this:  jragosta | 08/25/06
    Pulling out the old personal attack line  crunchewy | 08/21/06
    I think the folks at Secure Works  nomorems | 08/21/06
    So I'm still confused...  Bugbyte | 08/21/06
    Ah...okay  Bugbyte | 08/21/06
    The reason stated for not ....  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    Good questions  georgeou | 08/21/06
    The abuse is all deserved  tic swayback | 08/21/06
    Sad  georgeou | 08/21/06
    If you want to be treated in a professional manner...  tic swayback | 08/21/06
    So what's your excuse for calling this "deserved"?  georgeou | 08/21/06
    You're reading too much into it  Robert Crocker | 08/21/06
    Why is this unfair?  tic swayback | 08/21/06
    obnoxious children?  Real World | 08/22/06
    Fair enough  tic swayback | 08/22/06
    Not a Mac user, but... deserved!  GW Mahoney | 08/21/06
    The person that your acusing of an ....  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    For the record, he actually stated this was "theoretical"  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Oh that's too rich.  Robert Crocker | 08/21/06
    No, it's for the record  georgeou | 08/21/06
    A bit of an exageration.....  tic swayback | 08/21/06
    Where's the beef George?  tic swayback | 08/21/06
    The person I'm accusing admitted as much  tic swayback | 08/21/06
    Gross mistatement of the facts.  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    You still haven't answered my question  tic swayback | 08/21/06
    I would never presume to tell a Mac ...  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    Too late, you already did  tic swayback | 08/22/06
    Not so fast!  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    Oh, I get it, you were congratulating us  tic swayback | 08/22/06
    Another gross mischaracterization of ...  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    Now I'm confused  tic swayback | 08/22/06
    For the record....  nomorems | 08/21/06
    We are well aware on the PC side that ...  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    So...  zkiwi | 08/21/06
    RE: Ziwi  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    You don't however respond to  zkiwi | 08/21/06
    The answer to what Apple is doing is in ...  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    So...  zkiwi | 08/22/06
    Zkiwi are you having reading comprehension ...  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    Yeah right  zkiwi | 08/22/06
    That's horsemanure  MacKeyser | 08/21/06
    Go back and read the news about ...  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    I'm ShadeTree, I believe everything I read  tic swayback | 08/22/06
    When the facts come out and they will ....  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    OK...this seems to me as much to do about not much at all  Laff | 08/22/06
    Will you hold yourself to the same standard  tic swayback | 08/22/06
    I will indeed apologise if what I said was ...  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    Regardless....  tic swayback | 08/22/06
    They won't be the ones that ...  ShadeTree | 08/23/06
    Then why haven't they warned Apple?  tic swayback | 08/23/06
    Glock 27  iwasbannedatci | 08/21/06
    And you wonder why Apple fanatics are ridiculed?  ejhonda | 08/21/06
    Shout at the mirror  Bob_39902 | 08/21/06
    A few questions  tangent001 | 08/21/06
    Well, details will come out soon  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Their mistake was the misleading headlines  buran | 08/21/06
    The Mistake was from the Journalist who printed the article  mrlinux | 08/21/06
    You're missing the rest of the story  georgeou | 08/21/06
    You're missing the rest of the story  mrlinux | 08/21/06
    Like I said, that will come out  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Like I said, that will come out  mrlinux | 08/21/06
    Maybe he has the facts ....  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    Heck no!  nomorems | 08/21/06
    If the Cult of the Mac had to wait ...  ShadeTree | 08/21/06
    Well, considering...  zkiwi | 08/21/06
    I call BS here  Robert Crocker | 08/21/06
    I'll second that... (nt)  el1jones | 08/21/06
    Will you apologize when it does come out?  georgeou | 08/21/06
    George holding onto evidence?  nomorems | 08/22/06
    I called BS on your "I can't disclose"  Robert Crocker | 08/22/06
    I call BS on you calling BS  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    Shadetree... neither do you...  MacCanuck | 08/22/06
    Shadetree - read the whole thing  Robert Crocker | 08/22/06
    Orchestrated or not you need not look any ....  ShadeTree | 08/23/06
    He's too busy....  jragosta | 08/26/06
    That sounds purposefully obscure  MacKeyser | 08/21/06
    COMMERCIALISM , click, click, anyone ?  Intellihence | 08/21/06
    Simple Question here, George  mike_ohanlon | 08/21/06
    Read the links to Krebs  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Re: Read the liinks ...  mike_ohanlon | 08/21/06
    I'll take that as a "No" wink  GW Mahoney | 08/21/06
    SImple Question here, George V2  mike_ohanlon | 08/21/06
    This is too ShadeTree  mrlinux | 08/21/06
    This is too ShadeTree  mrlinux | 08/21/06
    You posted this reply twice to the ...  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    No....  James T. Kirk | 08/21/06
    Re: blog vs news  mike_ohanlon | 08/21/06
    I have the facts to back up the headlines  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Then why not wait until then...  zkiwi | 08/21/06
    just don't trust  MacKeyser | 08/21/06
    Who orchestrated the assault?  Robert Crocker | 08/21/06
    In due time  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Taking legal council first??  barsteward | 08/21/06
    Due when?  Robert Crocker | 08/22/06
    Re: blog vs news  mike_ohanlon | 08/21/06
    George  mrlinux | 08/21/06
    Blog... or news  Jim888 | 08/21/06
    and I quote "SecureWorks admits to falsifying MacBook wireless hack"  el1jones | 08/21/06
    Again, what makes you think Apple didn't lean on them?  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Do you perchance...  zkiwi | 08/21/06
    Again Logical Fallacy  tangent001 | 08/21/06
    fair and balanced, indeed  rmac897 | 08/22/06
    Because we don't live in fantasy land like you?  jragosta | 08/25/06
    I Was Not Under The Impression...  prwexler@... | 08/21/06
    They wanted to kill him and his dog  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Well...  zkiwi | 08/21/06
    Stop telling that lie  georgeou | 08/21/06
    Then who was it directed at?  zkiwi | 08/22/06
    I don't get that either  tic swayback | 08/22/06
    Please explain  jragosta | 08/25/06
    Sorry to Say, but...  prwexler@... | 08/21/06
    George - Play by your own rules!  tdibble | 08/21/06
    I have proof, but have to hold for a few days  georgeou | 08/21/06
    oh i get it now george...  Monkey_MCSE | 08/21/06
    Then SHUT UP  MacKeyser | 08/21/06
    The George Ou double standard  GW Mahoney | 08/21/06
    Why do you assume there is only one exploit  georgeou | 08/21/06
    I don't assume  GW Mahoney | 08/21/06
    no, it doesn't  MacKeyser | 08/21/06
    Because  jragosta | 08/25/06
    Mac's Defenders  Media-Ted@... | 08/21/06
    The obvious response to your post is...  zkiwi | 08/21/06
    This is a canard  GW Mahoney | 08/21/06
    Distasteful  tangent001 | 08/21/06
    Problem here  Boot_Agnostic | 08/21/06
    People don't refuse to take things "laying down", George.  labarker | 08/21/06
    Ok there George....  merlin747 | 08/21/06
    So much heat...so little light  otokichi | 08/21/06
    In defense of George...  heres_johnny | 08/21/06
    I actually defended Apple in my video interview  georgeou | 08/21/06
    I thought I was fairly balanced on the topic  mrlinux | 08/22/06
    seriously  doctorSpoc | 08/22/06
    Even Krebs almost admits it  rwahrens1952 | 08/21/06
    Again, where was the story changed?  georgeou | 08/21/06
    you keep missing the point  rwahrens1952 | 08/21/06
    How did you know if they hid this fact?  georgeou | 08/21/06
    How did you know if they hid this fact?  georgeou | 08/21/06
    How did you learn of it if they tried to hide that fact?  georgeou | 08/21/06
    read this  rwahrens1952 | 08/22/06
    It changed...  rwahrens1952 | 08/21/06
    Learn to read  jragosta | 08/26/06
    MacBook wireless Hack  dasprem@... | 08/21/06
    Just Another Windows Hack  Cosmix | 08/21/06
    Oh but there may very well be an Apple flaw in this  georgeou | 08/21/06
    This is total crap  MacKeyser | 08/21/06
    put up / shut up  g_ludlow | 08/22/06
    Oh, so now its just 'may' be an Apple flaw...  flintwall | 08/22/06
    Read the whole blog  georgeou | 08/26/06
    Not likely  jragosta | 08/27/06
    Wow. And people insult Windows users  John Zern | 08/21/06
    talk about calling the kettle black  rwahrens1952 | 08/21/06
    HAHAHAHAHAHA.................................  ITJames5000 | 08/21/06
    Apple my a$$.........................  ITJames5000 | 08/21/06
    Ladies and Gentlemen  Len Rooney | 08/21/06
    No Drink Needed  Mectron | 08/22/06
    Everybody should read http://daringfireball.net/  sigma2 | 08/21/06
    Specific Link  tic swayback | 08/22/06
    Vicious orchestrated assault on MacBook users  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 08/22/06
    This must be embarrassing for you, Ou.  timyu | 08/22/06
    Too much hype  Thrudheim | 08/22/06
    That wasn't in transcript  georgeou | 08/22/06
    Quoting you!  Thrudheim | 08/22/06
    And there's more  rmac897 | 08/22/06
    You know the difference between "driver" and "hardware"?  georgeou | 08/22/06
    Just a guess...  tangent001 | 08/22/06
    Your guess is wrong.  ShadeTree | 08/22/06
    Re; Your guess is wrong  mike_ohanlon | 08/22/06
    So be it...  tangent001 | 08/22/06
    Unjustifiable extrapolation?  zkiwi | 08/22/06
    Completely justified!  ShadeTree | 08/23/06
    Are the drivers you are fixing . . .  Thrudheim | 08/23/06
    Atheros, Broadcom, Marvel, Ralink and Intel ....  ShadeTree | 08/23/06
    Interesting, since  Thrudheim | 08/23/06
    Then why....  jragosta | 08/26/06
    Don't bet on it  georgeou | 08/22/06
    if you know so much, explain this  Thrudheim | 08/22/06
    Ok, Ou, come clean, joke's over.  timyu | 08/22/06
    Proof to come shortly....HA!!!  NoPumpGas | 08/22/06
    Shades of Wimpy...  tic swayback | 08/22/06
    George what about your missleading title???  doctorSpoc | 08/22/06
    Especially considering...  jragosta | 08/26/06
    So that makes it true?  georgeou | 08/26/06
    At least....  jragosta | 08/27/06
    Try reading the second part of the blog.  georgeou | 08/26/06
    That's right  jragosta | 08/27/06
    How to cover one's A**  tangent001 | 08/23/06
    Does it sound to anyone else...  Userama | 08/23/06
    Yep.  jragosta | 08/26/06
    More, more, more  tic swayback | 08/23/06
    And even more  tic swayback | 08/23/06
    George, they're taking it lying down  dgtruckses | 08/26/06
    No, but you are  georgeou | 08/26/06
    At least he passed third grade - did you?  jragosta | 08/27/06
    Time to quit announcing security breaches...  Boomslang | 08/27/06
    Eight days and counting  jragosta | 08/28/06
    yeah,  JetJaguar | 08/28/06
    If you think....  jragosta | 08/30/06
    14 days and counting  MacKeyser | 09/03/06
    Yes, it is  jragosta | 09/05/06
    Where is it?  jragosta | 09/08/06
    40 days of taking it lying down  GW Mahoney | 09/29/06

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