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November 30th, 2006

AMD Quad FX slaughtered by a single Intel CPU

Posted by George Ou @ 9:19 pm

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All the reviews are in for AMD's new "4×4" Quad FX dual CPU platform and it loses nearly every single real world benchmark to a single Intel CPU while consuming more than twice the electricity.  We basically see two FX-74 3.0 GHz processors getting slaughtered by a single Intel QX6700 2.66 GHz quad core processor!  Ironically, three of the four benchmark sites I link to give such contradictory glowing conclusions for the Quad FX in spite of their own data showing AMD being slaughter that Baghdad Bob would be proud.  Here are the four reviews of which only TomsHardware had a realistic conclusion that matched their actual data.

From highly optimized multi-core applications like 3D rendering and Video encoding to single threaded applications like games the AMD Quad FX either lost by a little or it lost by a lot.  AMD had its best showing in 3D Studio Max by winning one of three rendering tests by a razor thin 1% margin though it still lost every other rendering test in 3D Studio Max.  The only victory the AMD Quad FX managed to squeeze out was a razor thin victory in the synthetic benchmark CineBench though this wasn't reflected in any real world applications.  On other benchmarks like Photoshop CS, video encoders, audio encoders, and games, AMD continued to get stomped by trailing 10 to 40 percent.  The only good news for AMD was that it managed to narrow the gap in multithreaded applications though it's far from caught up in over all performance.  [Update 12/1/2006 - Here are some Vista RC2 Ultimate edition benchmarks that fair better for AMD because of Vista's support for NUMA (Non-Unified Memory Architecture) that AMD uses.  It's still not enough to catch up to the Intel QX6700 quad core system]

If we factor in overclocking, the AMD FX-74 is basically at the end of the line.  TomsHardware said that there was "virtually no overclocking margins for the FX-74 top model" and HOT Hardware said that they managed to squeeze out a pathetic 7.1% increase.  AMD has hit a thermal brick wall with their 90 nm part while Intel's Core 2 overclocks like a dream.  The top of the line Intel QX6700 has an amazing 40% overclocking margin allowing the reining performance champ to gain an extra 40% performance.  Falcon Northwest for example sells a QX6700 factory overclocked and PC guaranteed at 3.73 GHz!  The fact that Intel QX6700 beats the Quad FX at a substantially lower clock rate and the fact that the QX6700 can clock significantly higher than Quad FX means that Intel QX6700 owners will enjoy a 40 to 80 percent performance advantage when they unleash their CPU.

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From a power consumption standpoint, every benchmark showed the Quad FX PC drawing more than double the power of an Intel-based PC with the QX6700 quad core CPU.  The difference on TomsHardware wasn't as bad for AMD but the results were seriously flawed since they used the same 1000 watt power supply for both Intel and AMD arguing that it was more fair.  Using the 1000 watt power supply was the wrong decision since no one should ever be putting in a 1000 watt power supply when an efficient Active PFC 360 watt power supply is already over kill for the Intel-based PC that peaks at 260 watts.  It's not Intel's fault that AMD forces you to use a massive power supply for their Quad FX platform so why would you force that decision on the Intel PC?

Using the same expensive 1000 watt power supply for an Intel single socket PC is grossly irresponsible because you'd be throwing away a lot of energy (and money) in the form of heat which requires you to use even more energy on your AC system.  TomsHardware did did the right thing by tweaking the power management features which allowed the AMD system to come closer to Intel on idle power consumption, but the power supply decision was stupid and unrealistic.  From a power consumption standpoint, the AMD Quad FX is a the Hummer of PCs without any of the performance benefits.  It just senselessly guzzles power while delivering inferior performance on every application. 

From a price standpoint, the Quad FX is priced competitively at $1000 for a pair of FX-74 dual core CPUs while a single Intel QX6700 quad core CPU costs $1000.  The QX6700 is in high demand so street prices are currently hovering around $1100.  The problem with the AMD Quad FX is that you'll need a significantly more expensive motherboard that supports two CPU sockets.  At present time, the only Quad FX motherboard available is the ASUS L1N64-SLI WS dual socket mother board which lists for $350 [UPDATE 12:50 AM - $480 is what most sites are quoting which probably sounds closer to what a dual socket motherboard costs].  The motherboard isn't too bad if it's actually $350 since it gives you 12 SATA ports, dual Gigabit LAN, 10 USB 2.0, and four PCI Express slots two of which are x16 graphics slots.  You'll have to ask yourself if you actually need 12 SATA hard drives and two graphics cards.  I should remind people that anyone who bought a thousand dollar SLI pair of graphics cards two months ago are kicking themselves now because a single NVIDIA 8800 GTX graphics adapter today offers superior performance while costing far less.  Sure you can go with two 8800 GTX controllers but the current games really won't deliver that much more bang and prices will only go down in the future while performance goes up.  There's also nothing to prevent you from getting two graphics cards with an Intel based system.  <next>

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Testers had it wrong?
Right, intel lied about their quad core in the begining with a dual (dual core) CPU. How lame was that? If you have to lie about something because you need to sell your product then what?

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Posted by: usernamez Posted on: 09/28/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Intel keeps missing the boat with me  toadlife | 11/30/06
Intel is switching to a new architecture then  georgeou | 11/30/06
The future...  Information_z | 12/04/06
AMD likely playing catch-up for the next 10 yrs  Prognosticator | 12/01/06
I expect AMD will do what Intel did...  Badgered | 12/01/06
AMD has kicked Intel for the last 4-5 years  jinko | 12/01/06
WOW!!! An intelligent post.  darreno1 | 12/01/06
Exactly the HYPE I expected from George...  BeGoneFool | 12/01/06
Give the guy a bit of benefit...  jtmodel | 12/01/06
AMD is 90 to to 65, Intel is 65 going to 45  georgeou | 12/01/06
AMD might as well go from 90 to 45 nm.  osreinstall | 12/02/06
Hi, maybe you can check this link from Ptoo.  FADS_z | 12/01/06
Yeah, all those testers had it wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/01/06
Be Gone Fool!!!  Cayble | 12/02/06
Yeah right, Keep up your wishful thinking.  osreinstall | 12/02/06
Where was George when P4D was out?  graphicsgod | 12/09/06
Weighing in on the QuadFX  nucrash | 12/01/06
Quad FX is built on NVIDIA chipset  georgeou | 12/01/06
AMD smokes AMD too  t_mohajir | 12/01/06
AMD just starting to get to 65 nm  georgeou | 12/01/06
Intel just starting to get to Core 2.  Robert Crocker | 12/01/06
Your numbers are wrong  georgeou | 12/01/06
No, you are looking at the wrong numbers  graphicsgod | 12/09/06
what???  sp1tf1re | 12/06/06
Hype? I would Hope Not!  D. T. Schmitz | 12/01/06
Cowbook...  A_Pickle | 12/01/06
Last I checked.  nucrash | 12/01/06
Almost  D. T. Schmitz | 12/01/06
GW  D. T. Schmitz | 12/01/06
This article reads like an Intel press release...  Letophoro | 12/01/06
Reading it, I kind of felt that way too  Badgered | 12/01/06
better  Protector | 12/01/06
Older? You're saying faster isn't better?  georgeou | 12/01/06
off the topic of quad cores  boxmonkey | 12/02/06
Better  jeff@... | 12/02/06
Hang on!  Vivek Nair | 12/01/06
hang on  crcraft@... | 12/01/06
Consuming Electricity?  Stuka | 12/01/06
Geez.  jtmodel | 12/01/06
Wall-plug  D. T. Schmitz | 12/02/06
Power  jeff@... | 12/02/06
And three years ago  Michael Kelly | 12/01/06
show me a ******** gamer  samcurry | 12/01/06
You said it, IF IT MAKES YOUR COMPUTER GO FASTER  georgeou | 12/01/06
Apples to Oranges...wait for AMDs 65nm...due this month  techboy_z | 12/01/06
You mean as Intel moves to 45 nanometers?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/01/06
The truth is, AMD had their 15 minutes of fame...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/01/06
 Linux User 1 | 12/01/06
 osreinstall | 12/01/06
Prices?  Patrick Jones | 12/01/06
Very high prices  osreinstall | 12/01/06
Very expensive  Linux User 1 | 12/01/06
Very low quantity too.  osreinstall | 12/01/06
Hard drive is slowest? Are you sure?  ibabadur1 | 12/01/06
Or a RAID of drives...  HypnoToad72 | 12/02/06
(nt)I get the feeling that you and George actually *want* AMD to fail.  toadlife | 12/01/06
Nope, just keeping it real. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/06
15 minutes?  Samoyed | 12/01/06
5 years.  ITGuy04 | 12/01/06
Shush.. companies dont always put out winners.. look at Rambus  Been_Done_Before | 12/04/06
I have no preferences either way.  osreinstall | 12/01/06
AMD Quad Core Barcelona Opteron ...  Oknarf | 12/01/06
Good article...  Badgered | 12/01/06
And the winner is ... ?  Oknarf | 12/01/06
One Flying car... coming up!  Badgered | 12/01/06
The price is competitive though  nucrash | 12/01/06
You got the price wrong, QX6700 is $1100  georgeou | 12/01/06
Sorry  nucrash | 12/01/06
Price is rapidly shifting  georgeou | 12/01/06
price going up  pablito@... | 12/01/06
Just wait till it's $300 by valentines day- ouch  Prognosticator | 12/01/06
There will be cheap quadcore Intel chips in 2 months  georgeou | 12/01/06
As I said before  nucrash | 12/01/06
the cult that is AMD  willyu | 12/01/06
I actually own more AMD based systems  georgeou | 12/01/06
wrong idea  domino360 | 12/02/06
Quad 4X so what  summitguy | 12/01/06
They lost single and multi thread benchmarks  georgeou | 12/01/06
1000W power supply  Stuka | 12/01/06
It's a well known fact that over sizing the PS wastes power  georgeou | 12/01/06
To an extent  Stuka | 12/01/06
That is not correct. Look what HP is doing with C Class blades  georgeou | 12/01/06
....  richvball44 | 12/02/06
George, your pathological aversion to answering direct questions is awesome  Letophoro | 12/01/06
Maybe you should troll less  georgeou | 12/01/06
George.. who is overtaking the server market??  Uralbas | 12/03/06
The server market momentum is swinging back to Intel with Core 2  georgeou | 12/03/06
Says the biggest troll at ZDNet  Letophoro | 12/04/06
Amen and thanks for calling him on this.  Bill F. | 12/04/06
You've got your facts reversed. Intel leads the low power race  georgeou | 12/05/06
AMD mobile share gains  graphicsgod | 12/09/06
Barcelona gets them back in to the ball game, but by no means lead  georgeou | 12/05/06
George, have you tested Barcelona?  graphicsgod | 12/09/06
I'm making a prediction  georgeou | 12/25/06
Interesting you refuse to make predictions  georgeou | 12/05/06
Depends what you need it for  qikceltic@... | 12/02/06
Reminds me of the Pentium D  jpr75_z | 12/02/06
4x4 not a kludge  Robert Crocker | 12/02/06
AMD would "cram" if they could get away with it  georgeou | 12/02/06
Intel doesn't agree with you  Robert Crocker | 12/04/06
Your article title is misleading and full of hype  Kill-the-hype | 12/02/06
Only so much room for a title guy.  osreinstall | 12/02/06
Who cares? It's a single socket.  georgeou | 12/02/06
I must agree, it's not reporting or bloggin, it's trolling...  el1jones | 12/04/06
Hard drive limitations?  jeff@... | 12/02/06
AMD is not big deal  domino360 | 12/02/06
Intel is the way to go now  JP_999ZDNet Moderator | 12/03/06
no. quad fx owns. better value for money here's why  sp1tf1re | 12/03/06
NUMA didn't help all that much  georgeou | 12/04/06
Balanced honest approach is the best  farjad@... | 12/04/06
I am becoming weary of amd. I use both intel and amd, intel systems, but..  Been_Done_Before | 12/04/06
apparently you aren't looking at the same results I am...  josh@... | 12/04/06
Taking a single benchmark and declaring ...  ShadeTree | 12/05/06
Like declaring victory by winning 1 round out of a 10 round fight  georgeou | 12/05/06
Only time will tell...  goyta | 12/06/06
Spot the bias in the article  sp1tf1re | 12/06/06
Speaking of bias, you sure know how to lay it on  georgeou | 12/25/06
Which one runs x64 OS better?  jflesher | 03/28/07
AMD Quad FX  usernamez | 09/28/07
Testers had it wrong?  usernamez | 09/28/07

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