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January 29th, 2007

Vista Upgrade Edition is lame by design

Posted by George Ou @ 12:16 am

Categories: Desktop, News, Vista

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Arstechnica is reporting that Windows Vista Upgrade edition will not permit "clean" installs like all previous versions of Windows Upgrade editions.  Will Microsoft pick up the extra hour tab from Geek Squad?This is another one of those "what were you thinking" moments for Microsoft management similar to their bone headed decision to lock the retail version of Vista to one hardware migration.  Microsoft backed out of their ridiculous license change after Ed Bott sounded the alarm and others picked up on the story.  So Vista Upgrade Edition should really be called Vista "Not Clean" "time waster" Edition.  [Update 4:10AM - A reader clarifies that you can technically do a clean install by telling Vista to wipe the hard drive before installing after it confirms a full copy of Windows XP is installed.  This however is still lame because you can't just install Vista on a freshly formatted hard drive and it will still be a huge time waster.]

In the past, Microsoft has always respected their customer's time and allowed upgrade versions of Windows to install on a fresh machine so long as the customer could provide proof of possession of the old software.  These new Vista Upgrade DVDs which I'm assuming have already been stamped out will lack the ability to install on a system unless Windows XP or 2000 was present.  This means anyone looking to do a fresh install for any reason will not be able to.  Someone who is doing disaster recovery after a hard drive failure or a virus infection won't be able to wipe their hard drive and install Vista, they'll have to install XP first and then install Vista on top of XP.  That could easily mean nearly an hour wasted.  If you're paying someone to rebuild your computer, this will mean an extra hour of labor that will be billed to you for the installation of Windows XP.  Will Microsoft pick up the extra hour tab from Geek Squad for everyone?

Some might just say tough; you don't have to buy Windows Vista Upgrade Edition if you don't like the terms of the agreement.  But the problem is that there are probably already millions of people who bought in to the promise of Vista upgrade coupons during this last holiday shopping season with their new computers or their copy of Windows XP and they weren't told that the upgrade terms have been changed.  The Vista Upgrade coupons were used to lure people in to buying brand new computers for the holiday 2006 shopping season when many people would have probably opted to wait until after Vista launches at the end of January had they known about these new restrictions.  Now these people are going to be in for a big shock after they wipe their computers and find out that their copy of Vista won't install without XP on the computer.

So why is Microsoft making a bone headed decision like this?  One possibility is that Microsoft is afraid that people might try to keep running XP or Media Center on their existing machines and use Vista on a new computer.  This would mean that Microsoft would be giving away two copies of Windows for the price of one.  While I realize that a company has to make money off of a commercial Operating System, surely Microsoft could have worked out a better arrangement.  Why not ask people to turn in their old Windows XP serial number when they get their Full Vista DVD and then blacklist that serial number from Windows Genuine Advantage.  This would be a fair free trade-up from Windows XP to Windows Vista and no one should expect to get two versions of Windows for the price of one.

But it could be too late for Microsoft to avoid a backlash because Vista is launching at the end of today and all those copies of Vista Upgrade with no way to do clean installs have probably already been manufactured.  If Microsoft wants to set things right for people who want to do clean installs of Windows Vista especially those who bought in to the promise of Vista coupons during this last holiday season, Microsoft should allow these people to opt for a trade-up to the full version of Vista where the old XP serial number is blacklisted on WGA 30 days after the Vista is shipped to them.  That would seem to be the least they can do.  [Update 1/30/2006 - Microsoft apparently ALREADY invalidates your old XP key once you use the upgrade.  If that's the case, why torture the users even more?]

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The easiest way to install Vista?  Zogg | 01/29/07
I will NEVER upgrade any OS  georgeou | 01/29/07
Then that's a "Yes"?  Zogg | 01/29/07
That's a big YES  georgeou | 01/29/07
I don't get it ...  Oknarf | 01/29/07
You show, right away, that you "get it."  OButterball | 01/29/07
call 911 ...  Oknarf | 01/29/07
Oknarf, "Voila?!?  OButterball | 01/29/07
Your absolutely right.  Cayble | 01/29/07
Lemmings  ajv123 | 02/03/07
Please read the original post again.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Upgrade over hosed system is a hosed install  osreinstall | 01/29/07
I even find that it usually takes less time to do a clean install  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Might as well buy the OEM version  osreinstall | 01/29/07
True the OEM could be much cheaper in actual use  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Could? I always got OEM licenses cheaper than the upgrade.  osreinstall | 01/29/07
Should go over very well with Windows purchasers.  Anton Philidor | 01/29/07
You are joking right.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Preventing disaster is a sales point.  Anton Philidor | 01/29/07
Geez Anton you can't really believe what you are saying.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Respecting disaster.  Anton Philidor | 01/29/07
The problem is upgrades end in a disaster more often than no backup  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Damn I hate car analogies...but,  Cardinal_Bill | 02/02/07
I agree  davisnewman | 01/29/07
Wonder what the next Apple computer commercial will be  voska | 01/29/07
No, the PC guy will become the Windows Guy  nucrash | 01/29/07
"Any?"  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Yer right, Yagotta.  OButterball | 01/29/07
In Total Agreement George...  ju1ce | 01/29/07
Even Ubuntu Linux that I love, does much better with a clean install  slim-01 | 01/29/07
I could have guessed  Moosehouse | 01/29/07
If that's true why am I fine with BSD & Mac as well.  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Can you explain the issue here?  xuniL_z | 02/01/07
That is the easiest way  Leria | 01/29/07
Starting to come around  Richard Flude | 01/29/07
An apology as requested  bportlock | 01/29/07
Be careful...  Tim Patterson | 01/29/07
Then have them go  mdemuth | 01/29/07
Win ME  frodo@... | 01/29/07
Don't diss WinME  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Win ME  kurmat | 01/29/07
Win ME  beep.wot | 01/29/07
Wishing for...  M.R. Kennedy | 01/29/07
No. If you don't like Microsoft's license don't buy Windows.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Obviously the subtle hint....  bportlock | 01/29/07
Why must we "rent" what we are "buying"  jaybyrd | 05/14/08
You predicted wrong  georgeou | 01/29/07
Wrong  JohnM865 | 01/29/07
Bad argument, real bad.  Cayble | 01/29/07
No apologist. How about Loverock, No_Axe & Anton.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Not true  rapson | 01/30/07
Loverock vs. Mike Cox?  Tony Agudo | 01/30/07
hard to say  richvball44 | 01/30/07
well I use XP and I'm not going to apologise on behalf of microsoft  stevey_d | 01/31/07
Ever get the feeling this is an insider job...  Scrat | 01/29/07
Yeah, and this one can't be taken back easily  georgeou | 01/29/07
I don't anticipate a revolt.  ye | 01/29/07
Not just a nuisance but a consumer issue.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Get real. Nothing has been removed.  ye | 01/29/07
Yes, it *could* be a problem...  M.R. Kennedy | 01/29/07
I agree...it is annoying. But it's nothing more than that.  ye | 01/29/07
Clean install is a feature. It has been removed.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Then user should have done their homework.  ye | 01/29/07
How can they do their homework on Info not released by Microsoft Yet.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
What about the people tricked in to buying XP in last 3 months?  georgeou | 01/29/07
How am I being ridiculous?  ye | 01/29/07
Because a clean install is better and they can't do this and thought they  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Show me the lie.  ye | 01/29/07
What happens if....  Cayble | 01/29/07
did anybody?  richvball44 | 01/30/07
Not the whole story....  angrykeyboarder | 01/29/07
Thanks for clarification  georgeou | 01/29/07
tools to provide with every copy of Windows  zzz1234567890 | 01/29/07
Even better...  Tony Agudo | 01/29/07
Defragging...  Raymond Danner | 01/29/07
Or so I'm told  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
you're talking about fsck, that's not a defrag tool  Tony Agudo | 01/29/07
Done  ShadeTree | 01/29/07
I fail to see how...  ye | 01/29/07
Apparently you have to do a "Windows Genuine Check"  nucrash | 01/29/07
Given that the majority of people...  ye | 01/29/07
Agreed  nucrash | 01/29/07
Why do you ask?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
The copy of XP has to be validated  ShadeTree | 01/29/07
"genuine" Win 200  kaworu1986 | 01/29/07
No kidding...  ju1ce | 01/29/07
Ghosting doesn't always work for me  rdhalsteatzd | 01/29/07
Ridiculous Hoops  XaereauX | 01/30/07
aha!  richvball44 | 01/30/07
More clarification  bportlock | 01/29/07
Lame by design  dsedberry | 01/29/07
The world tech has already moved far ahead of Windows  slim-01 | 01/29/07
You just keep thinking that and keep holding your breath  georgeou | 01/29/07
No my attitude is "if only people new they had real options they would go  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Problem  dsedberry | 01/29/07
Ubuntu Linux is easier to use than Windows.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
XP is harder  I. Kidya Knott | 01/30/07
Vista vs,. Linux/Unix  Raymond Danner | 01/29/07
I was a Windows Tech also  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Linux isn't the only option  thegestunkenaraygun | 01/30/07
I like Macs. I'm cheap though. Linux is free.  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Breath holding  XaereauX | 01/30/07
Isn't OpenGL just as important? Isn't MS phasing it out?  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Yes I think you're right vista or current vista drivers don't do OpenGL  stevey_d | 02/04/07
while true...  foh.galo | 02/12/07
I don't see what the big deal is...  bhartman36 | 01/29/07
You're confusing an upgrade with an installation.  ye | 01/29/07
Okay, thanks. I think I got it now...  bhartman36 | 01/29/07
It means that you have the right to a discount...  ye | 01/29/07
They don't allow it at the corporate level.  nucrash | 01/29/07
Problem is  voska | 01/29/07
Why?  ye | 01/29/07
It mainly affects them because they should do a clean install.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
From the information given it appears they can...  ye | 01/29/07
That though is not a clean install.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
A clean install means installing on a clean disk.  ye | 01/29/07
Yes and once WinXP is installed then you no longer have a clean hard drive.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
It will impact about 20 to 30% of Windows users  slim-01 | 01/29/07
That's how most people will get Vista  ye | 01/29/07
Thing is it shouldn't be a requirement for a clean install.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Your not comaring apples to apples  jfp | 01/29/07
Because this is what we have always had and they are charging more  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Microsoft obviously doesn't trust, doesn't like, and...  Henry Miller | 01/29/07
I downright loathe users...  nucrash | 01/29/07
In Loathing users you might be being honest but  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Selling products you hate is never a good thing  georgeou | 01/29/07
Or the Alternatives aren't on par yet  nucrash | 01/29/07
Not really  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
History says they are right....  webshooter | 01/29/07
Nothing new  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
The problem with your "blacklisting" solution  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
Your point?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Honestly  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
Honestly. Dual Boots are non of Microsoft's business.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
The problem with your "blacklisting" solution  compunaut | 01/29/07
virtual pc  richvball44 | 01/30/07
What's the problem  voska | 01/29/07
If you want it, buy it  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Sorry but people should complain.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
When you upgrade you're no longer entitled to use...  ye | 01/29/07
Actually you should be able to downgrade.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
You may be able to.  ye | 01/29/07
??  richvball44 | 01/30/07
If it's not in the EULA  I. Kidya Knott | 01/31/07
This will hit small customers the hardest  Chad_z | 01/29/07
Wow that's a first!  h_j_k@... | 01/29/07
Microsoft is your friend????  h_j_k@... | 01/29/07
Vista Limited Upgrade?  AldoWatts | 01/29/07
What about Win98 users.  Holiday34691 | 01/29/07
Vista - NO WAY!  hj@... | 01/29/07
W9x to Vista? - Forgetaboutit  rmetzger@... | 01/29/07
Vista  larsb@... | 01/29/07
Just upgrade that old box to linux Mandriva Free  madhead@... | 02/02/07
You cannot upgrade from 9x to Vista  ye | 01/29/07
Buy OEM  georgeou | 01/29/07
Home Basic OEM is $96.99  osreinstall | 01/29/07
OEM does fix the upgrade problem  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
More a hardware issue I believe.  devlin_X | 01/30/07
two versions of Windows for the price of one?  gallery1945 | 01/29/07
Read your license  frank_s | 01/29/07
Sorry that was from the XP license agreement  frank_s | 01/29/07
It's called a FREE trade-up  georgeou | 01/29/07
What's FREE about it?  a_aramini@... | 02/01/07
Trade-Up, NOT Upgrade  bhartman36 | 02/05/07
That's right  m_bain@... | 01/29/07
Negative Feedback  D. T. Schmitz | 01/29/07
Prophecy  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Product Differentiation  D. T. Schmitz | 01/29/07
Negative Feedback  tubr0 | 01/29/07
Huh?  A.Sinic | 02/02/07
Does it require an activated copy of XP?  t_mohajir | 01/29/07
I'm not sure about that  georgeou | 01/29/07
Wouldn't such a requirement be a catch-22?  mathandmetal | 01/31/07
looks like another well thought out feature  jjarman | 02/05/07
Something I Don't Understand  m_bain@... | 01/29/07
NO, it's a FREE trade-in  georgeou | 01/29/07
But  m_bain@... | 01/29/07
A couple of points.  D-cat | 01/29/07
This is more like  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
Sure, but would you rather have to send the old disk in?  georgeou | 01/30/07
Let's see how this works.  I. Kidya Knott | 01/31/07
The VISTA cert is for one license.  D-cat | 01/31/07
A FREE upgrade?  gallery1945 | 01/30/07
Vista coupons for anyone buying PC last 3 months  georgeou | 01/30/07
Again you are using FREE a bit loosely  a_aramini@... | 02/01/07
He's only talking about the upgrade edition  t_mohajir | 01/29/07
Oops, meant to reply to message, not article  t_mohajir | 01/29/07
But still  m_bain@... | 01/29/07
I did a clean install  critic-at-arms | 01/29/07
Goody for you  tubr0 | 01/29/07
Beats heck out of me whether it does or not  critic-at-arms | 01/29/07
Well like I said, that's great for you  tubr0 | 01/31/07
All the work you mention has very good apps in Linux except .net  slim-01 | 01/31/07
What apps are those?  butler360 | 01/31/07
They would be.  slim-01 | 02/01/07
Actually....  devlin_X | 01/30/07
Linux users keep me away from linux  butler360 | 01/29/07
Then what are using since Windows Fanboys are even worse.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
I'm using Windows XP...  butler360 | 01/31/07
Nothing wrong with saying the opinion that Windows users have other options  slim-01 | 01/31/07
I never said that.  butler360 | 01/31/07
Could it be?  slim-01 | 02/01/07
Correction.  slim-01 | 02/01/07
Ah yes  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
Very Good- !  fr0thy2. | 01/29/07
Wouldn't that be nice?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
He's "Richard's Revenge"  nottheusual1 | 02/01/07
OS Choice = Political Affiliation  butler360 | 01/31/07
I'm smug becuase what I have WORKS  critic-at-arms | 01/29/07
So does Windows XP  butler360 | 01/31/07
How can you make a claim without trying out something else.  slim-01 | 01/31/07
I never said one was better  butler360 | 01/31/07
Windows to Linux conversion is easy.  slim-01 | 02/01/07
Get Off the Linux moans  fr0thy2. | 01/29/07
Are you a malware writer?  XaereauX | 01/30/07
Considering that Windows is a soft target and Linux, Mac & BSD are hard  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Don't you think by now  devlin_X | 01/30/07
You paid for a free OS? LOL  TasteeWheat | 01/29/07
You're berating him for his honesty?  D-cat | 01/29/07
Value for the money  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/30/07
Just One More Little Bitty Drop  Ole Man | 01/29/07
Here's your work-around  JDThompson | 01/29/07
why not just make an image?  rinaldok@... | 01/29/07
Potentially common scenario...  randysmith@... | 01/29/07
That's the users fault, not Microsofts  ye | 01/29/07
Yeah, Right!  Ole Man | 01/29/07
It's all about personal responsibility.  ye | 01/29/07
True. But we can make the decision not to use Microsoft at all.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Then by all means do so.  ye | 01/29/07
From my experience ...  mwagner@... | 01/29/07
A small group?  devlin_X | 01/30/07
You're right, but even worse than that  georgeou | 01/29/07
Sounds good to me  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
huh?  xuniL_z | 02/06/07
Chains  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
I wouldn't think so... this time  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
No there isn't  daryll@... | 01/29/07
Upgrade vs full OEM version  BlankFrank | 01/29/07
Check this  daryll@... | 01/29/07
Check this  daryll@... | 01/29/07
Hmm..  BlankFrank | 01/29/07
Crooked As A Dog's Hind Leg  Ole Man | 01/30/07
Microsoft's legal fictions  orthocross | 01/29/07
Read this very closely. Then ask yourself why would I agree to this.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Would you like one or two lumps with your Moca Vista?  D. T. Schmitz | 01/29/07
Upgrade or degrade  waynemethorst | 01/29/07
Your choices are a bit limited  joemc911 | 01/29/07
Don't Dis WinME  frodo@... | 01/29/07
Precisely!  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
DSP OEM Versions  daryll@... | 01/29/07
Sorry - I think this is a good idea...  a_guiness@... | 01/29/07
Re: MSFT is constantly concerned over the volume of "naked PCs"  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Not true  daryll@... | 01/29/07
You need to read the original post  slim-01 | 01/29/07
by a linux laptop  Insight Driver | 01/29/07
How can I be hijacking when I'm responding to someone else who brought it  slim-01 | 01/30/07
That's the market  daryll@... | 01/29/07
If PC Makers choose not to sell No OS units that is one thing  slim-01 | 01/30/07
It's none of anyone's business if you get a "naked" PC  georgeou | 01/30/07
Mafioso  Ole Man | 01/30/07
Wonder How They Made All Those Billions And Billions  Ole Man | 01/30/07
End Users and Product Keys  willcomp47 | 01/29/07
What Next  whoozhe@... | 01/29/07
Even better. Why not move to other options.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Which Rock  Moosehouse | 01/29/07
I use Linux but Mac and BSD are good also.  slim-01 | 01/30/07
An "upgrade" is a "upgrade".  cnfrisch | 01/29/07
People were tricked in to buying XP in November and December  georgeou | 01/29/07
You are being more than fair.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
No one was tricked...at least you haven't...  ye | 01/29/07
When something has been a certain way for 30yrs it is a fair assumtion  slim-01 | 01/29/07
No, it is not. An assumption is just that...an assuption.  ye | 01/29/07
You can afford to play this game, Microsoft can't  georgeou | 01/29/07
Sure they can  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Sticking with XP is an option, some might go Linux  georgeou | 01/29/07
ROFL  TonyMcS | 01/29/07
Oh George I forgot TonyMcS on that list who supports Windows no matter what  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Tony, a lot of people will just stick with XP if they don't like the terms  georgeou | 01/29/07
I was tricked and I am ticked  revronee@... | 01/30/07
Do you understand the history that show this is nonscense.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Why upgrade to Vista at all?  Resuna | 01/29/07
For Gamers, DX10  nucrash | 01/29/07
What's wrong with XP?  Resuna | 01/29/07
did not know untile after perchasing upgrade  hughes28105@... | 01/29/07
George, this contradicts MS's own site  Punchey | 01/29/07
Update...  Punchey | 01/29/07
It's a clean install AFTER it detects an old OS present  georgeou | 01/29/07
Ahh...  Punchey | 01/29/07
No time  daryll@... | 01/29/07
What happens when your drive crashes and nothing's on the system  georgeou | 01/29/07
defective from the box  zoroaster | 01/29/07
George, you just don't remember!  mwagner@... | 01/29/07
What happens if they need to recover from a disaster?  georgeou | 01/29/07
That depends  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Disaster Recovery  Insight Driver | 01/29/07
Maybe they could try doing this?  Zogg | 02/01/07
This article is LAME by design!  juzdownunder | 01/29/07
Discourage the adoption? Fly the flags!  zdnet reader | 01/29/07
WinXP-SP3  professordnm | 01/29/07
take the headaches then rather than now  zdnet reader | 01/29/07
Microsoft tells us what we need. We need Vista.  HypnoToad72 | 02/02/07
Beat up I'm afraid George  TonyMcS | 01/29/07
Clean install important  zdnet reader | 01/29/07
Clean install possible  Oknarf | 01/30/07
Vista Upgrades  BernieLyons | 01/29/07
No, It's NOT the First Time!  godhner | 01/29/07
So , here is my price comparisons (upgrades versions don't count).  Graham Fluet | 01/29/07
Quit Whining! That's how I upgraded to WinXP with Win98 already on the PC!  rh0 | 01/29/07
XP Suppt only 4 years until 2011!  zdnet reader | 01/29/07
Whats wrong with XP What about Linux  rickyschultz@... | 01/29/07
Hit the nail on the head.  Cayble | 01/29/07
"new computer don't even know what a "VISTA" OS is"  Ole Man | 01/29/07
buy for the sake of having the latest.  zdnet reader | 01/30/07
Wanting Microsoft to design their software correctly is not the same as  slim-01 | 01/31/07
I'm happy MS will support XP until 2014... And why are you whining?  HypnoToad72 | 02/02/07
Where's the beef?  Insight Driver | 01/29/07
RE: Clean Install  BernieLyons | 01/29/07
No more clean installs for the upgrade  genefitz | 01/29/07
A semi-related question  Punchey | 01/29/07
Vista DRM already cracked  tic swayback | 01/29/07
Where, oh where did that little disk go?  DonG43 | 01/29/07
I hear ya on that one  Puffnstuff | 01/29/07
Most won't notice  79spitfire | 01/29/07
Nothing new here!  mikeholli | 01/30/07
Vista Upgrade dies 12/31/2013  Bill Ward | 01/30/07
Why do people who use Microsoft's products put up with this kind of crap?  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Vista Upgrade  beermaster2003 | 01/30/07
If you don't know what an upgrade has meant historically don't call others  slim-01 | 01/30/07
You do not know what an upgrade is.  osreinstall | 01/30/07
Is it stated on the outside of the upgrade?  larrybed4 | 01/30/07
2 things  richvball44 | 01/30/07
That'll work, too.  JDThompson | 01/31/07
My first Vista install experience  doebuns | 01/31/07
Works for YOU...  tubr0 | 01/31/07
Nonsense. I have installed at least 100 users myself.  slim-01 | 01/31/07
Microsoft want to take old WinXP off the market to force upgrade to vista  stevey_d | 01/31/07
That would kind of be the point to "upgrade"  D-cat | 01/31/07
Not right though. What if a person beleaved Microsoft's minimum hardware  slim-01 | 02/01/07
Rolling back.  D-cat | 02/01/07
Read the article first  nizuse | 01/31/07
(was in reply to Yagotta's response)  nizuse | 01/31/07
Get Vista upgrade, never pay full price!  cnfrisch | 02/01/07
Clean Install From upgrade  danm50 | 02/02/07
ya ok...  tubr0 | 02/02/07
Actually it is a work horse  D-cat | 02/03/07
clean instal of upgrade  tlwhitford@... | 02/02/07
Clean Vista Install Is Possible  jpdoran@... | 02/02/07
Microsoft only gives a damn about executives' time.  HypnoToad72 | 02/02/07
Upgrade nightmare  Tim Patterson | 02/02/07
Nobody installs XP on FAT32 partition  D-cat | 02/03/07
Acer does...  Tim Patterson | 02/03/07
dd  D-cat | 02/03/07
Thanks  Tim Patterson | 02/03/07
it's on knoppix too  D-cat | 02/04/07
I did as well  stevey_d | 02/04/07
what if....  pulapower@... | 02/04/07
Windows Secrets Solution  khamelinck | 02/05/07
CRAP  spamcollector@... | 02/09/07
A clean upgrade is possible with the secret Vista upgrade  johnkuchta@... | 02/09/07
If anything it will ecourage piracy  foh.galo | 02/12/07
in reality  foh.galo | 02/12/07

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