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February 22nd, 2007

Does DRM really limit Vista?

Posted by George Ou @ 4:23 am

Categories: Security, Vista

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A lot of people have been screaming that Vista will deprive you of your rights with the inclusion of DRM technology.  Bruce Schneier even referred to this DRM issue as a "security" issue for Vista even though he's merely referring to existence of DRM capability.  We're hearing widespread rumors that DRM slows down game play.  I even hear people blaming DRM for the lack of driver support in Vista.  Is there really any truth to these accusations or is this simply anti-DRM anti-Microsoft hysteria?  Are you actually being deprived of your rights by DRM?  Vista DRM simply gives you the choice of playing back DRMed content and it does not prevent you from playing back non-DRMed contentI realize that DRM is a controversial issue and I'm not here to endorse DRM, but I wanted to set the record straight on Vista and DRM so let's examine the facts.

I've been running Vista for more than a week now and I've been able to play backed up DVDs and MP3s you've ripped which contain no DRM in them.  I've also been able to play back DRMed content that I've either rented or purchased but no one forces me to buy DRM content and I can choose to only use restriction-free non-DRM content on Windows Vista.  On the other hand if we look at something that refuses to implement DRM such as Linux, you will only have the ability to play back non-DRMed content and you're technically not even licensed to play back DVDs.  While there are workarounds for this but it isn't with legal software and no one is supporting HD DVD or Blueray DVD playback on Linux because it doesn't offer the movie companies the DRM restrictions they seek.  So based on some obvious facts that no one can really dispute since it's easy for everyone to verify, we can say with certainty that Windows permits the playback of DRM and/or non-DRM content while Linux only supports the playback of non-DRM content.  There for it's logical to say that Vista DRM simply gives you the choice of playing back DRMed content and it does not prevent you from playing back non-DRMed content.  This is just like how iPods have Apple FairPlay DRM in them but it doesn't prevent you from playing non-DRM MP3 files so you have a choice of using DRM or not.

There are also widespread rumors that DRM will slow down game play in Windows Vista.  These rumors came from an often cited "report" that never even attempted to produce any numbers on game playback frame rates but mere speculation.  [Update 4:25 PM - The researcher who Bruce Schneier cites who in turn is widely cited in the media as an expert on why Vista DRM is so evil actually admits to never actually even touching Windows Vista.  That's the level of "research" he did.]  Never mind the fact that no one has even come up with any data to show that DRM does slow down video playback performance in any noticeable way, games don't even use DRM to begin with because they simply aren't concerned with MPAA Video and RIAA Music playback.  It's ridiculous to make such a claim especially when zero testing or data was ever presented.  Games render their own content and have their own super restrictive copy protection technology such as copy-proof CDs and DVDs (possible to bypass but not easily with most burning software).  More importantly games have their own "activation" keys that only permit one instance of the software to be running at any given time so if you post your keys on the Internet you'll probably never be able to play the game again since someone else will be using it.  It simply makes no sense for Games to be implementing worthless DRM technologies because they're already running the most draconian copy protection on that planet that checks in a central database every time you play the game.  Game makers have been doing this long before the word "DRM" even existed.

Let me reiterate again that I am not debating for or against DRM.  DRM will most likely become irrelevant and it already is since it hasn't stopped a single song or video from being pirated on BitTorrent.  DRM will not die because of anything the Free Software Foundation does, it will most likely die from lack of business ROI (Return On Investment).  The record companies are spending a ton of money on DRM technology and some of them have already started considered dropping DRM and simply use MP3s since they know DRM is useless.  But let's rise above the hysteria that DRM causes everything from ruining your frag count in Doom to halitosis.

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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"they'll shift to DX10 which is Vista only."
Yes, and if they do, you will witness a marked abandonment of Vista, by the few that have fallen victim to it. Only rabid gamers who will put up with anything to play them will be loyal to Vista, and ... (Read the rest)
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Simply not true  Edward Meyers | 02/22/07
I think he's right  Mythox | 02/23/07
Except that's not what he wrote  Edward Meyers | 02/24/07
Games, DRM, and Electronic Arts  nucrash | 02/22/07
I would agree  eb276 | 02/22/07
But with music and movies you have a choice with DRM  georgeou | 02/22/07
Where can I purchase movies without DRM?  tic swayback | 02/22/07
You are barking up the wrong tree  georgeou | 02/22/07
How can I rip them?  tic swayback | 02/22/07
You can't rip them  Mythox | 02/23/07
FYI, I've transfered Windows Media DRM many times  georgeou | 02/22/07
That's why MS is trying to market Windows Home Server  nucrash | 02/23/07
Backed up  Ian Mc | 02/22/07
What do you tell these tales? I just ripped a DVD yesterday on Vista  georgeou | 02/22/07
And you've just admitted committing a criminal act.  Letophoro | 02/22/07
Backing up content is "fair use"  georgeou | 02/22/07
Bypassing CSS to do so is a criminal act. (nt)  Letophoro | 02/22/07
You are somewhat correct, but...  Tony Agudo | 02/22/07
What software does George rip DVDs with?  tic swayback | 02/22/07
Re: You are somewhat correct, but...  none none | 02/22/07
If this is true, why is DVD Jon still a free man?  georgeou | 02/22/07
Re: If this is true, why is DVD Jon still a free man?  Letophoro | 02/22/07
DVD Jon was forced in to court  georgeou | 02/22/07
Re: DVD Jon was forced in to court  Letophoro | 02/22/07
I guess everyone using Linux is breaking the law too then  georgeou | 02/22/07
Possibly. But then the same arguments apply to every OS.  Letophoro | 02/22/07
You guess wrong  tic swayback | 02/22/07
It's illegal?  dragosani | 02/22/07
Under which provision of Section 107 of Titke 17 U.S.C.?  B.O.F.H. | 02/22/07
The RIAA disagrees with George  tic swayback | 02/22/07
RIAA can bite me  georgeou | 02/22/07
Re: RIAA can bite me  Letophoro | 02/22/07
They might just bite you  tic swayback | 02/22/07
Well, Linux is in violation too I guess  georgeou | 02/22/07
Is this a response out of desperation?  B.O.F.H. | 02/22/07
Nope, it's what happens when people ask rhetorical questions  georgeou | 02/22/07
I think you're confusing multiple issues here  tic swayback | 02/22/07
So you admit it's legal to backup  georgeou | 02/22/07
When did I make that claim?  tic swayback | 02/22/07
You are not exercising any of the ?Fair Use? provisions under Copywrite Law  B.O.F.H. | 02/22/07
Re: So you admit it's legal to backup  none none | 02/22/07
It's OK as long as you can do it without breaking CSS  sdgeek | 07/19/07
The DMCA did not modify section 107  Edward Meyers | 02/22/07
Re: What do you tell these tales? I just ripped a DVD yesterday on Vista  none none | 02/22/07
Since when are DVDs "hi def"?  georgeou | 02/22/07
DRM isn't necessary  D. T. Schmitz | 02/22/07
DRM will soon be irrelevant  Don Collins | 02/22/07
DRM is irrelivent, the RIAA just dosnt know it yet  Cayble | 02/24/07
DRM and Vista  Letophoro | 02/22/07
Those were minor driver differences and it wasn't across the board  georgeou | 02/22/07
And France is full of French people.  Letophoro | 02/22/07
"they'll shift to DX10 which is Vista only."  Ole Man | 09/27/08
Keep smiling  frgough | 02/22/07
Digital RESTRICTIONS Management.  Khaotic_One | 02/22/07
Missing the point  tic swayback | 02/22/07
Market Forces  Harry Bardal | 02/22/07
Only way they can kill off ripped DVD and MP3 is with a root kit  georgeou | 02/22/07
Wow George are you off your meds today?  tic swayback | 02/22/07
You really need to go there? What meds do you take?  georgeou | 02/22/07
Wow, you really have no response to my point  tic swayback | 02/22/07
The point is you really don't have a point  georgeou | 02/22/07
My point, once again  tic swayback | 02/22/07
Actually Tic has a point  nizuse | 02/22/07
Re: My point, once again  none none | 02/22/07
Re: You really need to go there? What meds do you take?  none none | 02/22/07
Fanboys  Harry Bardal | 02/22/07
Well done!  dragosani | 02/22/07
Link please!!  NonZealot | 02/22/07
iPod vs Vista Cage Match  Harry Bardal | 02/22/07
The zealots forget about Apple's TPM DRM chip!  NonZealot | 02/22/07
Re: The zealots forget about Apple's TPM DRM chip!  none none | 02/22/07
Freedoms  Harry Bardal | 02/22/07
Care you backup your outragious claim?  georgeou | 02/22/07
Re: Care you backup your outragious claim?  none none | 02/22/07
If he's making outrageous claims on Vista, he sure as hell should at least  georgeou | 02/22/07
Re: Does DRM really limit Vista?  none none | 02/22/07
Again, you're not telling the truth here  georgeou | 02/22/07
Re: Again, you're not telling the truth here  none none | 02/22/07
Vista costs the same as XP  georgeou | 02/22/07
Re: Vista costs the same as XP  none none | 02/22/07
Also, it's backing up a DVD is covered under fair use even under DCMA  georgeou | 02/22/07
Not exactly  Edward Meyers | 02/22/07
DRM is service affecting for NON DRM content  TripleII | 02/22/07
You're speculating  georgeou | 02/22/07
Keyword: "now"  tic swayback | 02/22/07
You keep smoking that pipe  georgeou | 02/22/07
Who is smoking a pipe?  dragosani | 02/22/07
No, he stated some wild speculation  georgeou | 02/22/07
Easy Answer  dragosani | 02/22/07
It Should Be As Clear As A Vista  Ole Man | 03/06/07
Ignore history at your own peril  tic swayback | 02/22/07
You talk of history but you cite nothing  georgeou | 02/22/07
Did you actually read my post?  tic swayback | 02/22/07
Well then you just proved we should boycott Apple  georgeou | 02/22/07
Yes we should--but then again, that's still irrelevant here  tic swayback | 02/22/07
Ah that's a nice dodge  georgeou | 02/22/07
Principles  Harry Bardal | 02/23/07
Once again, please read what I've written  tic swayback | 02/23/07
Speculating?! Good One.  TripleII | 02/22/07
Okay, I took the challenge  NonZealot | 02/22/07
The Point  TripleII | 02/22/07
You know this for a fact?  NonZealot | 02/22/07
You kill me, LOL  TripleII | 02/22/07
Speculating Part II  TripleII | 02/22/07
Non HDCP-DVI monitors and/or HD Televisions  TripleII | 02/22/07
I agree 100%  NonZealot | 02/22/07
I wonder ....  IAHawkeye | 02/23/07
Peter Gutzman analysis  John L. Ries | 02/22/07
Damning? He had to resort to human body parts and the inquirer  georgeou | 02/22/07
And?  dragosani | 02/22/07
How many times?  NonZealot | 02/22/07
That's the part with the vugar references  georgeou | 02/22/07
What is the problem?  TonyMcS | 02/22/07
I think you are confused  tic swayback | 02/22/07
But we DO have fair use under Vista  georgeou | 02/22/07
Where are these mandates?  tic swayback | 02/22/07
Look up "managed copy" under HD DVD  georgeou | 02/22/07
Thanks  tic swayback | 02/22/07
Only hypocritical liars  Ole Man | 03/06/07
The Freedom to Tinker  D. T. Schmitz | 02/22/07
Thank you Dietrich!  Tony Agudo | 02/22/07
Your hero Gutzman had never even touched Windows Vista  georgeou | 02/22/07
As I said about Guttman,...  Tony Agudo | 02/23/07
I've never touched a live rattlesnake, either  Ole Man | 03/06/07
DRM Affects gameplay if...  edu_tech | 02/22/07
Here are my test results  georgeou | 02/23/07
Thanks  edu_tech | 02/23/07
No problem, was easy to verify  georgeou | 02/23/07
My god I agree with George...  IAHawkeye | 02/23/07
As I said above....  tic swayback | 02/23/07
True that.  IAHawkeye | 02/23/07
Vista DRM not yet implemented  Jakewaldo | 02/26/07
Keep Drinking the Kool-Aid  thedude@... | 02/26/07
Keep believing all that MS propaganda.  kraterz | 02/26/07
There is no polling while not playing protected media.  Mythox | 02/27/07
"straight from the horse's mouth (MS' website)"  Ole Man | 03/06/07
totally agreed, kraterz  davelane | 02/27/07
You're missing the point...  sweklaweklfwe@... | 02/26/07
I think he got a point instead.  Mythox | 02/27/07
"DRM stuff is never invoked until you play protected content"  Ole Man | 03/06/07
Vista DOES add some DRM to MCE TV Recording  jstraumann@... | 02/28/07
What a bunch of FUD. Take a journalism class.  textureglitch@... | 03/03/07
What a bunch of FUD. Take a journalism class.  textureglitch@... | 03/03/07
Yes. DRM limits Vista  bricar2 | 03/20/07
George, Are YOU another IGGY person?  Old Timer 8080 | 07/18/07
It's even worse: buy a no-name PCI card, can't play DRM any more  sdgeek | 07/19/07
This writeup doesn't talk about gutman's analysis  plasmacutter | 07/17/08

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