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April 4th, 2007

Strike 3 for AMD hypocrisy on benchmarking

Posted by George Ou @ 6:15 pm

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AMD swung hard at Intel for what it deemed as ethics violations, but since then, it has pulled the same stunt it's been criticizing Intel for three times in a row. I called out AMD's hypocrisy on strike one; David Berlind called it out on strike two; and now AMD is doing the same thing by cherry-picking the benchmarks and omitting superior Intel scores. Intel's Nick Knuppffer was rather upset with these omissions today and called AMD's benchmark postings "rubbish."

AMD, in this latest round, showed three sets of benchmarks comparing three products. It shows the latest AMD Opteron 2222 SE, which was released only this month, going against an Intel 5160 from mid-2006 and against an Intel 5355 released November 2006. The problem is that AMD omits the scores on two of the benchmarks and shows only the Intel 5355 in its worst light with SPECompMbase2001, which is a relatively obscure and less often cited benchmark to begin with. AMD selectively omits Intel's 5355 numbers for the more common SPECint_rate2006 and SPECfp_rate2006 benchmarks and then claims victory on all three sets of benchmarks. Here is the chart reconstructed with the best available scores posted by AMD, but I've also included the omitted 5355 scores highlighted in yellow.

Published scores on SPEC.org
  AMD 2222 SE Intel 5355 Intel 5160
SPECompMbase2001 13275 11822 10689
SPECint_rate2006 Peak 56.6 84.8 55.2
SPECfp_rate2006 Peak 52.1 60.2 45.1

Using dual-core 5160 as baseline performance
  AMD 2222 SE Intel 5355 Intel 5160
SPECompMbase2001 24.2% 10.6% 0%
SPECint_rate2006 Peak 2.54% 53.6% 0%
SPECfp_rate2006 Peak 15.5% 33.5% 0%

So even without Intel's latest CPU in the lineup, Intel wins the two more common benchmarks by a significant margin. The biggest margin of victory goes to the integer performance of Intel's 2.66 GHz XEON 5355, and that gap will get even wider once Intel's just-released 3 GHz quad-core XEON gets included in this lineup.  Earlier today, I explained the benefits of quad-core computing and what lies ahead for the two chip companies.

Cherry-picking benchmarks to show one's own product in its best light is fairly common in the industry, but not after publicly slamming one's opponent for unethical benchmarking. If AMD insists on calling Intel unethical for cherry-picking benchmarks, reasonable people have no choice but to call AMD hypocritical when it does the same thing. Since this is strike three on AMD hypocrisy in barely over a month, this appears to be a pattern that won't stop anytime soon.

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If it benchmarks the way it does, give me more of those "cheap tricks"
"George, you're quoting one of your own articles to make your point!!! And if you go deeper (which I always do) to where you sited your article you left out he went on to say : ?because, I guess, the ... (Read the rest)
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Which is blacker, the pot or the kettle?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/05/07
Jah we kinda figured  Jack-Booted EULA | 04/05/07
So tell me how this effects you  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/05/07
AMD is struggling  Prognosticator | 04/05/07
They didn't publish the best AMD result either  Robert Crocker | 04/05/07
Sorry, this is limited to a 2 socket configuration  georgeou | 04/05/07
No, *YOU'VE* limited it to a 2 socket configuration  Robert Crocker | 04/06/07
Can't trust benchmarks from Intel or AMD  WiredGuy | 04/05/07
No Choice  wjkahlssmd@... | 04/05/07
What works for you  MacGeek2121 | 04/05/07
I said they all pull this kind of stuff  georgeou | 04/05/07
so what already.  shraven | 04/05/07
So it's wrong to call someone out on hypocrisy?  georgeou | 04/05/07
The funny thing about accusing someone of hypocrisy  DevinAt3Sharp | 04/05/07
Where did Intel complain to the media about AMD ethics?  georgeou | 04/06/07
Ahh deflection a tool of the magician  rschror | 04/08/07
And you're one to talk......  linux for me | 04/06/07
You admit that AMD is wrong but you're slamming me for not hitting Intel?  georgeou | 04/06/07
You ared the definition of "Media *****"  JoeBob_z | 04/06/07
That word, tender readers, is Who re  JoeBob_z | 04/06/07
No sir, but you apparently are.  linux for me | 04/06/07
Cherry picked reports are even worse  bitfuzzy | 04/05/07
I posted best certified results on spec.org  georgeou | 04/05/07
I gree with David Berlind  luis_osio@... | 04/05/07
Really? Death to Intel?  georgeou | 04/05/07
Dude, you have lost it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/05/07
Look George, I read a few of the other comments being made.  Bill F. | 04/05/07
George Ou never met a WinTel he doesn't worship  TtfnJohn | 04/05/07
I've treated the two about as fair as possible  georgeou | 04/05/07
Didn't AMD say  DemonX | 04/05/07
Go look at their camera interview  georgeou | 04/05/07
Ouch!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/05/07
Ever said anything AMD positive?  graphicsgod | 04/06/07
Nothing would shut them up  georgeou | 04/07/07
Here is what would shut them up  graphicsgod | 04/08/07
Bull, you don't like the message...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/05/07
Sorry, but you loose this one badly.  Cayble | 04/05/07
Okay then  bidemytime | 04/05/07
We've had Berlind call Intel felonious, you need more than that?  georgeou | 04/05/07
Ummmmm...  bidemytime | 04/05/07
I've said over and over again they're both guilty of cherry picking  georgeou | 04/05/07
Nope.  davids@... | 04/06/07
Fanboys like you is what emboldens AMD to behave like this  georgeou | 04/05/07
WOW George Fanboys?  rschror | 04/08/07
Strike 3 for ZDNet...  Narg | 04/05/07
So you're ok with AMD's hypocrisy?  georgeou | 04/05/07
AMD fanbois have no logic  p4nee | 04/05/07
AH. Shoot the messenger I see.  Cayble | 04/05/07
Is this journalism or Intel marketing?  meh130@... | 04/05/07
Right on!  ITRockstar | 04/05/07
No one should buy dual-cores if they need four cores  georgeou | 04/05/07
You missed the point of the article completely.  Cayble | 04/05/07
Your Real World May Vary  bruce@... | 04/05/07
Ha! I beg your pardon!??? Liar.  Cayble | 04/05/07
The important point of AMD  DemonX | 04/05/07
I agree totally.  Cayble | 04/05/07
I CAN"T STAND THE HYPOCRISY!  BALTHOR | 04/05/07
do people really care any more?  josephmartins | 04/05/07
Want more hypocritical lies  zzz1234567890 | 04/05/07
funny again to hear who's the problem :P  llval@... | 04/05/07
The real problem is...  DevinAt3Sharp | 04/05/07
Umm, I'm glad I bought a Core 2 Duo...  tek_heretik | 04/06/07
Forgot to mention, had as high as 3.3 GHz...  tek_heretik | 04/06/07
Not AMD - yours...  alxnsc@... | 04/06/07
Intel & AMD  kwsjr82 | 04/06/07
Independent testing needed  fredh@... | 04/06/07
Message has been deleted.  graphicsgod | 04/06/07
AMD made the comparison to quadcore first  georgeou | 04/08/07
Correction: Quad Core means 4 cores on a single die not 2 duals stamped.  rschror | 04/08/07
Learn the terminology  georgeou | 04/08/07
Keep them Honest!  kays@... | 04/10/07
because it has 4 cores in it and people don't really care  rschror | 04/10/07
If it benchmarks the way it does, give me more of those "cheap tricks"  georgeou | 04/16/07

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