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April 20th, 2007

Fear and anger erupt over $3 Microsoft Suite

Posted by George Ou @ 3:01 am

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By now, most people have heard that Microsoft will be selling a $3 version of Windows XP Starters Edition along with Office and some other educational software to students in the third world, but fear and anger have erupted in some circles in the Internet community.  The two primary concerns I'm hearing across the forums are:

  • Isn't this illegal dumping and unfair to open source solutions?
  • Why aren't (insert first-world country here) students getting these prices?

To address the first question, we must look at the definition of dumping. It is generally accepted that dumping is taking place when a product is being sold below the cost of production as a means to undercut a competitor's price to put them out of business. Some may view the mere act of selling a product at lower prices in the recipient country than in the country of origin as an act of dumping, but the recipient country wouldn't usually file a complaint unless its local industry is being undercut in prices. In this case, the competitor in question is open source software, which isn't really owned by anyone, and Microsoft obviously isn't undercutting the price since $3 > $0.

Educational discounts are also nothing new, and companies are free to donate software to the schools. I've even seen programs where Microsoft actually gives away entire suites of software, including Windows, Office, Visual Studio, SQL Server, and more to computer science departments in American universities for the mere cost of the media and shipping.

But why is there so much fear of a $3 software suite comprising a crippled version of Windows XP along with Office and a few other educational titles? Surely this is a great opportunity for Linux and OpenOffice.org to compete in a market where people have no attachment or habit on any platform, since the open source solution is 100% free. These are countries where $3 might be a few weeks' food supply, and it's still a serious challenge for those nations to pay Microsoft millions of dollars in licensing fees. Surely in a situation where we're starting with a clean slate and the potential untapped market is bigger than the entire present computing user base, free has to be more attractive than not free. For the Microsoft suite to stand any chance of winning, it would have to be head and shoulders above a much cheaper competitor.

From my test results last year, Desktop Linux required significantly more hardware power than Windows XP, and it lagged behind in performance. While Desktop Linux has lower hardware requirements than Windows Vista, it is definitely more memory hungry than Windows XP, especially when you factor in the bloat and sluggishness from OpenOffice.org (OpenOffice.org wiki on performance). Since third-world nations will be getting a lot of old and refurbished computers, a modern GUI-based Linux plus OpenOffice.org will definitely present some challenges. From a novice user and administrator standpoint, Linux is still going to be more challenging than Windows. Now I am perfectly willing to accept the possibility that my assessment of the performance and usability situation is in some way, shape, or form wrong or misguided. But if that's the case, Microsoft will surely fail, and there is no need for open source advocates to fear a $3 suite from Microsoft.

The other big question among Americans and people in other first-world countries is why they aren't getting these kinds of breaks in pricing. The perception here is that the first-world nations are subsidizing the third-world nations in software, but is that really what's happening? Earlier this week, I read the news that Vista sold only 244 copies in China (that would be 243 more copies than I expected). All joking aside, I'm not surprised by these numbers in China or in any other developing nation where people make less than 1/10th the income of first-world nations. You cannot expect someone who's making $200 a month to fork out $200 in OEM software licensing costs. They'll save up for the hardware, since that can't be copied and you would actually have to deprive someone else of their goods in order to steal it. But they're not going to pay hundreds of dollars for software when they can just copy it. What this means is that first-world nations are subsidizing what is essentially free software to the third-world countries under the current system.

Full subsidization isn't the only problem; we're all under constant attack from the hordes of zombie armies born from software piracy. The vast majority of pirated black-market software being sold in the back alleys from Moscow to Bangladesh are laced with backdoors and rootkits. Not selling them software at prices proportional to their income levels simply means the bad guys get rich selling the software and they get a zombie army to boot. Software companies like Microsoft have the opportunity to undercut the pirates by selling low-cost legitimate software, since people would rather not break the law and they would rather not have infected computers. We would all benefit with fewer zombie botnet armies roaming the Internet.

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RE: Fear and anger erupt over $3 Microsoft Suite
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Some remarks  tombalablomba | 04/20/07
Maybe not.  donnellb | 04/20/07
Exactly...  ju1ce | 04/20/07
Right.  donnellb | 04/20/07
you assume  tombalablomba | 04/20/07
Nope.  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
thank goodness for linux  sbj | 04/20/07
Computers in 3rd World Countries  Uralbas | 04/20/07
It professionals and gamers  Uralbas | 04/20/07
Nice propaganda George  Tim Patterson | 04/20/07
Further...  Tim Patterson | 04/20/07
You also have to remember...  ju1ce | 04/20/07
Games?  Imaginos1892 | 04/20/07
George's numbers are usually wrong.....  linux for me | 04/20/07
one note....  Badgered | 04/20/07
I have to disagree with your hardware findings  nucrash | 04/20/07
My first experience with Linux  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
ever hear of embedded  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
Yes, so what?  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
Ok, remind which OSS is good for again.  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
Look, I try not to be inflammatory, but you make it difficult  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
Isn't Windows CE a RTOS?  Scrat | 04/20/07
Pardon me sir.  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
Everything that Windows Can't Handle  nucrash | 04/20/07
Ok, your last statement brings us back again  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
Re: Arm7  Scrat | 04/20/07
That's good to know  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
$3 way overpriced for crippleware.  AnonymousBugMeNotUser | 04/20/07
"not (sic) many people want to burn 3$ for Vista"  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
Then you're sending them back? (NT)  Badgered | 04/20/07
Why waste the postage?  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
Hmmmm.  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
Yes I did claim that  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
Well i was responding to your earlier  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
Free is way overpriced for  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
George's usual...  ju1ce | 04/20/07
Maybe, but read the OpenOffice performance wiki  Scrat | 04/20/07
Does it really matter?  ju1ce | 04/23/07
Abiword+gnumeric good enough and fast.  miyojim | 04/25/07
Abiword+gnumeric good enough and fast.  miyojim | 04/25/07
That's not the smell of fear  Chad_z | 04/20/07
And we should pay a nickel for bread.  GeiselS@... | 04/20/07
If he ever writes one. (NT)  linux for me | 04/20/07
Yes indeed - we have all been screwed by MS  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
This argument betrays that which it was born  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
where did i say that?  tombalablomba | 04/20/07
Nice rant but that has nothing to do with my post  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
That's odd  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
You're babbling too...  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
It's price and quantity supplied ...  MisterMiester | 04/20/07
You HAVE to explain this one!!!!  NonZealot | 04/20/07
You have to get a brain  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
And you and others are so fond of telling us what junk  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
Over priced? Proves it?  John Zern | 04/20/07
No, no and hell no  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
I still disagree  John Zern | 04/20/07
"supply can and does refer to just one manufacturer and/of a single product  jacarter3 | 04/23/07
This is SO wrong  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
Just Like OLPC  John Zern | 04/20/07
Why so scared if Microsoft is so inferior?  GeiselS@... | 04/20/07
I will agree with this...  ju1ce | 04/20/07
Thats true  John Zern | 04/20/07
The criterium for choice is different.  miyojim | 04/25/07
"fear and anger has erupted in some circles in the Internet"  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
Of course there is fear and anger  John Zern | 04/20/07
What does the OS have to do with "horse power"?  georgeou | 04/20/07
Who exactly is angry or afraid?  Mercutio_Viz | 04/20/07
A very good question  TtfnJohn | 04/21/07
You got that right!  Ole Man | 04/21/07
At most universities in the US  nrkmann@... | 04/20/07
Still more  voska | 04/20/07
Even better..  Tim Patterson | 04/20/07
No surprise there  John Zern | 04/20/07
Check the fine print  Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/20/07
"source software, which isn't really owned by anyone"  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
Is it dumping?  voska | 04/20/07
I tend to agree with you  jacarter3 | 04/20/07
So, you are saying that all Microsoft needs to do  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
They'd have to charge $250/user/year to be like Red Hat  georgeou | 04/20/07
Whoops! George + Linux + Numbers = ???  Mercutio_Viz | 04/20/07
Those cheaper options aren't 24x7  georgeou | 04/20/07
How 'cheap' is MS support? $1000's  Mercutio_Viz | 04/21/07
MS support is near zero  georgeou | 04/22/07
Actually dumping is done where laws apply.  osreinstall | 04/22/07
apples and oranges  srobtjones@... | 04/20/07
Then you've pin pointed the problem  georgeou | 04/20/07
Re: Then you've pin pointed the problem  dbneeley | 04/20/07
I don't think you read that article I linked to  georgeou | 04/20/07
I did  TtfnJohn | 04/21/07
" generally easier to grasp"  Ole Man | 04/21/07
Not true.  miyojim | 04/26/07
Dumping for beginners  martin23 | 04/20/07
not perse  tombalablomba | 04/20/07
So consumers are getting screwed ...  MisterMiester | 04/20/07
Production cost for a license is $0  georgeou | 04/20/07
********  tombalablomba | 04/20/07
WRONG!!!!  nucrash | 04/20/07
Where is your disgust at Sony?  NonZealot | 04/20/07
As the article points out, there are flaws in that argument  georgeou | 04/20/07
Still  nucrash | 04/20/07
Nope, Vista is the same price with the same feature set  georgeou | 04/20/07
People do have "attachments and habits".  Anton Philidor | 04/20/07
Will these prices cover Microsofts patent problems?  B.O.F.H. | 04/20/07
That was already shown as nonsense  georgeou | 04/20/07
Any answers on the support issues?  B.O.F.H. | 04/20/07
Support issues in line with that of Linux  John Zern | 04/20/07
The way the system were set up is more or less as clients.  B.O.F.H. | 04/20/07
Don't underestimate 8 yr olds...  Wolfie2K3 | 04/20/07
What market/region are you talking about?  B.O.F.H. | 04/20/07
FYI, those cranks got chopped  georgeou | 04/20/07
FYI  tombalablomba | 04/20/07
Still comparing your needs to those of an 8 year old?  B.O.F.H. | 04/20/07
See my personal background here  georgeou | 04/20/07
And how much do you make now?  B.O.F.H. | 04/20/07
Where did I ever claim a Masters?  georgeou | 04/20/07
I see that you have changed your bio.  B.O.F.H. | 04/20/07
I claim to have real-world expertise  georgeou | 04/20/07
You are rich compared  dragosani | 04/20/07
Thanks for your background, I share mine.  miyojim | 04/26/07
OLPC  D. T. Schmitz | 04/20/07
I've had some first hand experience with it  georgeou | 04/20/07
Though I love the thought behind No_Axe's post  nucrash | 04/20/07
They've been trying to dig those watering holes for decades  georgeou | 04/20/07
Spot on....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/21/07
You are prejudiced toward evil nature of man.  miyojim | 04/26/07
Partial results will be good enough.  miyojim | 04/26/07
Like so many others, I wanted to help.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/21/07
I comprehend this  nucrash | 04/22/07
That's pretty harsh  nucrash | 04/20/07
I think it's the wrong project to be going after  georgeou | 04/20/07
That is because you are either rich or well off!  B.O.F.H. | 04/21/07
Better Idea, keep it in your pants.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/21/07
Yet your father had no computers  georgeou | 04/22/07
Some corrections and comments  TripleII | 04/20/07
Agreed, mostly.  Anton Philidor | 04/20/07
$3 For A Stripped Down Version Of Windows - What's To Fear???  itanalyst | 04/20/07
Probably fear of getting drunk  Ole Man | 04/21/07
Other third world corporate sales  jerryhorvath@... | 04/20/07
Absolutely HILARIOUS!!!  NonZealot | 04/20/07
The irony was not lost on me  xuniL_z | 04/20/07
Free?  mattflaschen | 04/20/07
Your choice, even if its a poor one.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/21/07
No fair  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 04/20/07
And Tiffany should provide prizes for Happy Meals.  Anton Philidor | 04/20/07
So  Patrick Jones | 04/20/07
Good point...  Anton Philidor | 04/20/07
I thought..  Patrick Jones | 04/20/07
Think things through... PLEASE!  Wolfie2K3 | 04/20/07
Ads...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 04/21/07
I say let them do it  Patrick Jones | 04/20/07
I doubt it  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 04/20/07
However..  Patrick Jones | 04/20/07
As a Linux user ... I agree!  George Mitchell | 04/20/07
You're right about OSS forcing MS pricing down  georgeou | 04/20/07
There are allways trade-offs  John Zern | 04/20/07
I think you nailed it - NT  georgeou | 04/20/07
Linux Stagnating?  TripleII | 04/20/07
Minor Correction  TripleII | 04/20/07
Linux stagnating? No way!  George Mitchell | 04/20/07
Re: You're right about OSS forcing MS pricing down  none none | 04/20/07
No arguments from me there...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 04/20/07
You're perfectly free to USE it  tombalablomba | 04/20/07
John, give me a break ...  George Mitchell | 04/20/07
Well from one Open Source product I use exclusively for many things...  ju1ce | 04/23/07
Most MS users don't hate OSS  georgeou | 04/20/07
Die is relative  TripleII | 04/20/07
This is true...  Mercutio_Viz | 04/21/07
Wow...  ju1ce | 04/23/07
Hmm...  Mercutio_Viz | 04/23/07
Shared source is NOT open source ...  George Mitchell | 04/20/07
Shared source is a PR move that means absolutely nothing (NT)  ju1ce | 04/23/07
They're not celebrating...  Anton Philidor | 04/20/07
Bookmarked  TripleII | 04/20/07
I agree with spread to thin  dragosani | 04/20/07
Linux on servers, etc.  Anton Philidor | 04/20/07
Revenue, no question  TripleII | 04/21/07
And that, my friends  Ole Man | 04/21/07
Yeah, but...  rapson | 04/20/07
Thanks Carl ...  George Mitchell | 04/20/07
Illegal?  mattflaschen | 04/20/07
You are Wrong in so many ways.  jzuniga@... | 04/20/07
How do you explain my benchmarks from last year?  georgeou | 04/20/07
You May Be Interested in This Economic Comparison  BanjoPaterson | 04/21/07
How do you explain your benchmarks?  ju1ce | 04/23/07
Not a single person has presented alternative benchmarks  georgeou | 04/23/07
Why would I?  ju1ce | 04/23/07
Who would complain about dumping  DannyO_0x98 | 04/21/07
The price of anything...  John L. Ries | 04/21/07
Has Microsoft revealed?  Ole Man | 04/21/07
It's all in there.  gotitright | 04/23/07
The Security Nightmare Suite  gotitright | 04/23/07
One Laptop Per Child  GonePhishing | 04/23/07
$3 for incompatibility  zdnet reader | 04/24/07
Schools in Jamaica  gotitright | 04/25/07
Why is the internet such a farce?  justanothersouldotcom | 01/02/08
RE: Fear and anger erupt over $3 Microsoft Suite  Uncle B | 08/22/09

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