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May 17th, 2007

AMD Barcelona can potentially smash Intel

Posted by George Ou @ 2:59 am

Categories: AMD, Desktop, Intel, Processors, Servers

Tags: Barcelona, Advanced Micro Devices Inc., Intel Corp., George Ou

[Update 9:05PM - TGDaily is reporting that Barcelona might be delayed till September.  This is devastating news for AMD if true because Intel's 45nm Penryn CPUs are due towards the end of this year.]

CPU analyst and expert David Kanter just posted his in-depth article on AMD Barcelona and if the manufacturing permits it, AMD’s Barcelona has the potential to smash Intel’s quad-core chips.  Based on the article, “The device described at ISSCC was targeted at 2.2-2.8GHz at 1.15V, while operating within a 95W maximum thermal envelope.”  Kanter explained to me that the information presented at the ISSCC refers to the electrical capabilities of the “taped out” Barcelona chip and added:

I think what the information at ISSCC means is that AMD can produce a product at the claimed frequency and max TDP envelope. Whether they choose to do so is a strategic decision that will take into account manufacturing, marketing, PR and other factors.  Yields will be the key issue, and given what Hector has said, it seems clear that they won’t have huge quantities of Barcelona out till next year.

I later clarified with Kanter that Hector Ruiz strongly implied that quantities of Barcelona won’t be high until next year since he has said that Barcelona won’t make that big of a financial impact this year.  So it isn’t really clear if 2.8 GHz at 95W TDP will be the launching product or if that’s what AMD will eventually aim for in an actual product.  This does mean that Barcelona will at least keep AMD competitive in the near term if they can actually deliver the yields in a timely fashion.

AMD has publicly claimed a 20% advantage over an Intel quad-core “Clovertown” server product “at the same frequency” for Integer performance.  If we accept this 20% clock-for-clock claim, it means AMD will need to deliver a Barcelona server product that exceeds 2.5 GHz to claim the speed crown over an Intel 3.0 Clovertown quad-core CPU.  The current rumors for Barcelona’s actual launch speed is anywhere from 2.4 and 2.8 GHz.  If AMD actually pulls off a 2.8 GHz Barcelona launch, it will be a massive victory for AMD.  The timing will be critical since Intel will be launching its next generation 45nm high-K dielectric Penryn processors around the end of the year and the preproduction parts are already clocking in at 3.33 GHz with some shocking performance numbers.  Ramping up Barcelona’s clock speed as quickly as possible will be critical to AMD’s success both in the server and desktop space.

AMD has been hyping Barcelona by publicly saying that it will “knock Intel dead” or that it will “clobber” Intel’s quad-core product.  That means AMD had better deliver the goods or else it will be a huge embarrassment.  With the competitive nature of the server market, it’s very unlikely that AMD will have the luxury of holding back their highest clock rates if manufacturing permits.

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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ok then...
Lets not blame drivers or cooling? What you refuse to see can't hurt you, I guess?

For all of the BS noise on forums like this, real data shows that Windows (yes, including Vista) is very stabl... (Read the rest)
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Thanks for the information - pity the dates are nebulous...  BanjoPaterson | 05/17/07
Ah yes, Knock Intel Dead  nucrash | 05/17/07
3/10 (NT)  Stuka | 05/17/07
lol  georgeou | 05/17/07
I have to bow to the master of satire  nucrash | 05/18/07
Oh boy, COMPETITION!  Roger Ramjet | 05/17/07
What we need...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/17/07
Agreed.  Uber Dweeb | 05/17/07
They'll get there  georgeou | 05/17/07
Especially for Vista...  BitTwiddler | 05/17/07
No, needed more for the Mac.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/17/07
Right on!  HypnoToad72 | 05/17/07
. . . and a bit less chicken little  CobraA1 | 05/17/07
Hardware and software won't matter if you can't find a stable OS  intrepi@... | 05/18/07
need a stable OS?  A.Lizard | 05/18/07
An easy answer  John Zern | 05/24/07
ok then...  mlambert890@... | 09/18/07
Smash?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/17/07
I don't care any more...  BitTwiddler | 05/17/07
(nt)As if it's different with intel?  toadlife | 05/17/07
Remember Slot 1?  Uber Dweeb | 05/17/07
Intel does have a little less churn  georgeou | 05/17/07
sayn what?  nECrO_z | 05/17/07
Thank you for confirming socket 775  georgeou | 05/17/07
First time for everything  nucrash | 05/18/07
Stop being childish  Uber Dweeb | 05/18/07
Netburst was a dead end, but Core 2 is now king  georgeou | 05/18/07
George, you're a real piece of work.  Uber Dweeb | 05/20/07
What makes you think I have admin privileges on this server?  georgeou | 05/20/07
Not really, but also  nucrash | 05/18/07
It isnt bad  statseeker@... | 05/18/07
More false statements from you about Intel and AMD  TechExec2 | 05/19/07
Did anyone at AMD actually say "knock Intel dead"?  WiredGuy | 05/17/07
link  georgeou | 05/17/07
No Quote  gtdavies33@... | 05/17/07
Sorry, I meant a quote from an AMD staffer, not Inquirer staffer  WiredGuy | 05/17/07
Read the article you are linking, George.  Uber Dweeb | 05/18/07
When Microsoft announced products and features early in their development,  HypnoToad72 | 05/17/07
I am devistated  D. T. Schmitz | 05/18/07
I am amused!  djchandler | 05/18/07
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WRITE SOFTWARE AT A FEW GIGS?  BALTHOR | 05/18/07
AMD last year, Intel this year, Amd next year......  intrepi@... | 05/18/07
One Kid - One computer program - shame on Intel  intrepi@... | 05/21/07

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