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July 6th, 2007

AMD removes bogus benchmarks

Posted by George Ou @ 5:08 am

Categories: AMD, Desktop, Hardware, Intel, News, Processors, Servers

Tags: Benchmark, Advanced Micro Devices Inc., There, George Ou

[Update 8/17/2007 - AMD caught passing junked benchmarks red handed

[UPDATE - 1:00 PM - AMD has done the right thing and removed the objectionable slides this morning.  Thank you AMD.  Blog title was changed from "AMD drags feet on taking down bogus benchmarks".]

There’s been a lot of controversy and debate when I exposed AMD for posting deceptive benchmarks on Barcelona and it lead to an announcement from AMD that they would take down the deceptive benchmarks and post honest scores.  There’s just one problem; AMD intends to take their time taking down the grossly misleading scores.  In fact we may not see anything change for a few weeks until newer “honest scores” are posted.  After a lengthy back and forth email discussion with AMD yesterday where I tried to reason with AMD that it would be best to remove the deceptive scores immediately, I’ve been informed that they “will ultimately be down” and that AMD will be sure to alert me when they are down.

In light of AMD’s convenient feet dragging, it’s hard to believe that AMD is sincere that they were just innocent bystanders.If you’re wondering why this even matters, AMD vigorously defended itself by saying that they posted the simulated Barcelona 2.6 GHz scores - a product so far out that it doesn’t have a launch date - and older Intel quad-core CPUs back in April.  So therefore AMD wasn’t aware of the much better Intel scores as if to imply that AMD didn’t post deceptive benchmarks at the time it was posted.  The problem is that AMD still posted scores for a non-existent AMD product based on “simulated” results which is completely bogus and deceptive.

The bigger problem is that even though AMD posted these deceptive benchmarks back in April, it wasn’t widely reported and not many people knew about it.  But sometime this week, these deceptive charts were widely distributed among the press which led many technology news sites to blindly regurgitate these deceptive AMD benchmarks as proof of how wonderful AMD’s new Barcelona product will be.  As an example of how widespread these bogus benchmarks have spread, here’s a list of stories glowing about Barcelona citing AMD’s simulated Barcelona 2.6 GHz scores going up against older Intel products with lower outdated scores.

So we have a situation where AMD distances itself from the news sites that are regurgitating these bogus numbers that AMD has already agreed to take down.  AMD then denies distributing the deceptive slides yet everyone points back to AMD being the ultimate originator of the slides and everyone points back to AMD’s website as validation.  Now I have no reason to believe AMD is not telling the truth that they didn’t send the slides, but the slides on their production website is STILL acting as an official source of validation.  So regardless of whether AMD sent the slides or not, AMD intends to conveniently benefit from the false accolades being given to them by these news sites regurgitating AMD’s deceptive benchmarks because AMD won’t immediately take down the deceptive benchmarks.  In light of AMD’s convenient feet dragging, it’s hard to believe that AMD is sincere that they were just innocent bystanders.

AMD has promised to take down these deceptive benchmarks but they intend to take their time doing it.  I’ve already asked AMD about 5 times to take down those deceptive benchmarks as soon as possible via email and I don’t seem to be getting anywhere so I will bring this issue to the public.  Hey AMD, take down those deceptive benchmarks now!

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Nice job
This georgeou thang needs to be put right, he needs to stop writing this drivel and do some propper research before posting, I presume thats what hes meant to do?

Bad case of Intelitis maybe?... (Read the rest)
Posted by: groovepoint@... Posted on: 08/21/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Good job sticking to your guns!  Prognosticator | 07/06/07
That's a big part of the problem, they think they can get away with this.  georgeou | 07/06/07
Oh really?  meh130@... | 07/06/07
Maybe George should write something about...  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Are you a fired AMD emloyee?  dess3 | 07/06/07
Are you a current AMD employee?  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Not at all  dess3 | 07/06/07
Not at all...oh yeah?  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Really?  dess3 | 07/06/07
Really? It's this simple...  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
It's you  dess3 | 07/06/07
It's you -?  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Yours  dess3 | 07/06/07
Yours [corrected]  dess3 | 07/06/07
Yours [corrected]  thetruthhurts | 07/07/07
outrageous  verndewd | 07/07/07
Intel could...  thetruthhurts | 07/07/07
Yeah  verndewd | 07/07/07
AMD Will Continue for as long as they "HAVE TO"  Cayble | 07/10/07
A very important correction!  TechExec2 | 07/10/07
You "exposed" AMD benchmarks?  meh130@... | 07/06/07
Huh?  bidemytime | 07/06/07
What difference does this make????  andrej770 | 07/06/07
Andre  verndewd | 07/07/07
5GHz  narsos | 07/06/07
Maybe...  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
real vs. irreal  dess3 | 07/06/07
That's not the point  narsos | 07/06/07
Uh-huh, therefore...  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Therfore!? What a wrapped logics it is?  dess3 | 07/06/07
Hector will lead you into the promised land...  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Covering the obvious?  dess3 | 07/06/07
LOL - miguided  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
You can add thse links  deaf_e_kate | 07/06/07
y  narsos | 07/06/07
Geeez George, give em a couple of days  WiredGuy | 07/06/07
George, can you post the mail threads between you and AMD?  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
y  narsos | 07/06/07
No need to do that, they've done the right thing now  georgeou | 07/06/07
Done the right thing??  andrej770 | 07/06/07
The simulated SPEC numbers are gone from AMD's Barcelona page  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
So now...  CFKane | 07/06/07
Say what?  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Look up where this all started  CFKane | 07/06/07
HMMM  verndewd | 07/07/07
His position is all over the place  CFKane | 07/07/07
George  verndewd | 07/07/07
The difference is...  thetruthhurts | 07/07/07
it needs to happen  verndewd | 07/07/07
agree  thetruthhurts | 07/07/07
"Intel has published bogus scores on optimized rigs in the past..."  thetruthhurts | 07/07/07
I was clear about SPECint_rate2000  georgeou | 07/07/07
deception is deception  verndewd | 07/07/07
It's deception on a different level, but I will call an end to it  georgeou | 07/07/07
The Federal Trade Comission: what's their authority?  thetruthhurts | 07/07/07
Can't ask the whole world to take down every single SPEC2000 benchmark.  georgeou | 07/08/07
Start with Intel?  CFKane | 07/08/07
Again, the mere act of using SPEC2000 isn't the same thing  georgeou | 07/08/07
The result is the same, even worse  CFKane | 07/09/07
Benchmarketing  verndewd | 07/07/07
I updated my Blog much faster than AMD pulled the benchmarks  georgeou | 07/06/07
Of course you did...  TechExec2 | 07/06/07
lol  verndewd | 07/07/07
Then, according to your logic...  thetruthhurts | 07/07/07
Big deal  CFKane | 07/06/07
Fool? I asked them half a dozen times and they wouldn't do it  georgeou | 07/06/07
Oh, this is getting funny  CFKane | 07/07/07
It's clear you're not reading what I said  georgeou | 07/07/07
I dead read it and I did comment on it, did you read my message?  CFKane | 07/08/07
For a company that whined about Intel...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
The Stench Of NoAxe  nizuse | 07/07/07
Stop callig them "bogus"!  dess3 | 07/06/07
Mr. whine...  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
LOL  dess3 | 07/06/07
Of course this is directed at you (dess3) because...  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
What 65W Clowertown?  dess3 | 07/06/07
Who said anything about standard voltage?  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
You prevent AMD speaking about even later versions of an existing product  dess3 | 07/06/07
You prevent AMD speaking about even later versions of an existing product  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Otherways it's telling "bogus numbers"  dess3 | 07/06/07
Otherways it's telling "bogus numbers  thetruthhurts | 07/07/07
And the fine print says  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
dess3 is backpedaling  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Ohh ohh  dess3 | 07/06/07
Advice: keep the 3rd wheel on your tricycle on  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Stop acting as a troll!  dess3 | 07/06/07
Troll? LOL please go take your Luvox  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Okay lets have a show of hands  toadlife | 07/06/07
I bet George does?  andrej770 | 07/06/07
Read my disclaimer on the bottom of all my blogs.  georgeou | 07/06/07
ever think  verndewd | 07/07/07
Many people slammed Intel during those days  georgeou | 07/07/07
Good enough for me  verndewd | 07/07/07
Fair point  CFKane | 07/09/07
Meh  thetruthhurts | 07/09/07
If you want to comment...  CFKane | 07/09/07
You are not suggesting for a minute that...  thetruthhurts | 07/09/07
In other words, it's ok to lie if you're desperate  georgeou | 07/09/07
The same goes for you, George  CFKane | 07/09/07
I told you, SPEC2000 was legitimate up to Feb 2007  georgeou | 07/09/07
CFKane: Here's George's next blog entry  thetruthhurts | 07/09/07
Speaking about lies  CFKane | 07/10/07
None of the above  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Intel quad core price cut?  ZDNetReader1 | 07/06/07
Link to story - have not seen updates...  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
Fuzdilla: "AMD promises to stop lying about Barcelona"  thetruthhurts | 07/06/07
LOL good show by george  verndewd | 07/07/07
Indeed  thetruthhurts | 07/07/07
George did what we all had hoped we could do in the forums  verndewd | 07/07/07
I still say deception is the same  verndewd | 07/07/07
Here's the problem, lots of vendors including AMD probably still have  georgeou | 07/07/07
Archival material?  CFKane | 07/08/07
Like I said, it's sleazy but you can't ask the whole world to take down  georgeou | 07/08/07
Here's a link to more data  thetruthhurts | 07/08/07
The important difference is...  CFKane | 07/09/07
AMD's charts were bogus to begin with, Intel's charts were not  georgeou | 07/09/07
A lesson in simple logic  CFKane | 07/09/07
AMD's charts were NOT bogus. Your rabid attack on AMD is bogus.  TechExec2 | 07/09/07
TechExec2 at it again...  thetruthhurts | 07/09/07
thetruthhurts: I have an answer for that!  TechExec2 | 07/09/07
Since you are meeting with AMD reps...  thetruthhurts | 07/07/07
Debunking George Ou's rabid attack on AMD  TechExec2 | 07/08/07
Uh oh - George now you've got a problem.  nizuse | 07/08/07
Stop waiting for George Ou to respond. His actions are indefensible.  TechExec2 | 07/10/07
techexec2, self-fulfilling, AMD apologist  thetruthhurts | 07/08/07
thetruthhurts: The truth does hurt, doesn't it?  TechExec2 | 07/08/07
You don't order me around  thetruthhurts | 07/08/07
Even if you were right (and you're not)...  TechExec2 | 07/08/07
Sigh - this is NOT the way you are supposed to project your image  thetruthhurts | 07/08/07
Disclaimer: I have no association with AMD  TechExec2 | 07/08/07
Sure...we believe you (wink, wink)  thetruthhurts | 07/08/07
Exactly! This is "Sensationlism" at its finest.  dragosani | 07/08/07
Who can we trust?  thetruthhurts | 07/08/07
"Walter Cronkite" sp atributed to dess3  thetruthhurts | 07/08/07
Nice job  groovepoint@... | 08/21/07
You are kidding, right?  thetruthhurts | 07/09/07
For you I will repeat the lesson wink  CFKane | 07/09/07
Word mincing  thetruthhurts | 07/09/07
no, this was a revealing mistake  CFKane | 07/10/07
For clarification...  CFKane | 07/10/07
Wow - you must write reactive Q&As for a living  thetruthhurts | 07/09/07
Hey AMD! Put those estimated benchmarks back up!  TechExec2 | 07/09/07
LOL  thetruthhurts | 07/09/07
George Ou tells false stories about AMD. Most folks call that LYING! angry  TechExec2 | 07/10/07
It's a bit different  nizuse | 07/10/07
Thanks for your post and I mostly concur...  TechExec2 | 07/10/07
Here we go again...  thetruthhurts | 07/10/07
Recommendation: Don't post after happy hour! laugh  TechExec2 | 07/10/07

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