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August 8th, 2007

Apple leads PC design again with iMac

Posted by George Ou @ 5:50 pm

Categories: Apple, Consumer electronics, Desktop, Energy efficiency - green, Hardware, Intel, Mobile/Wireless

Tags: PC, Industry, Apple iMac, Apple Inc., Computer, George Ou

Nearly a decade after the original rainbow colored iMac that looked like the back-end of a VW Bug; Apple is changing the face of the desktop computing world with the new 20- and 24-inch iMac.  The Apple Advertisement above seems to tell the whole story and it’s a shocking comparison of why the traditional Desktop box is doomed to the niche Enthusiast and Workstation market.  If Mr. Dell and the rest of the PC industry aren’t scrambling around for ideas, they should be.

I’m not completely endorsing the iMac because of its price of $1200 to $2300 when a much more powerful computer with a 22″ monitor could be built at $800 but I cannot deny the form factor appeal of the iMac.  My only criticism of the new iMac form factor is that the keyboard and mouse weren’t wireless and rechargeable.  It also would have been REALLY cool if it used a standard Cat-5 Ethernet cable to provide up to 60 watts of 802.3at power and gigabit Ethernet using an in-line power injector though doing 802.3at PoE might be really pushing it a bit since a 20″ display already uses around 40 watts.

While I personally love to build powerful computers on a reasonable budget, I never understood why the mainstream PC market hasn’t abandoned the traditional box design since components are small enough to fit inside the LCD display or at least in an add-on module in the back of the LCD.  I’ve seen integrated designs from Sony and some others but they’ve all been very expensive and the PC industry as a whole has stuck with the ATX, MicroATX, or BTX box.

There is no reason that the PC industry as a whole can’t come up with a standardized modular MicroBTX PC box with a small PCI-Express slot that plugs in to the back of the standard 20″ to 30″ display and automatically connect the Power, DVI, USB, and Audio ports.  That in my mind would be the best of all worlds because I’m not forced to toss my monitor if I want to upgrade the computer and I get the video card of my choice.  I generally change to a new computer every two years but I will keep using the same monitor for four to six years.

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so 7 years is about right
that would put that in the 7-8 year range. an imac with no dvd drive is circa 1999. when you use any older computer. you make certain concessions. i'm sure you can't run vista on your pII. or at least... (Read the rest)
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The design looks like a knock off ....  ShadeTree | 08/08/07
Ok, you got me  georgeou | 08/08/07
how did he get you?  doh123 | 08/10/07
Left out the link  ShadeTree | 08/08/07
LOL  JohnM865 | 08/08/07
ROFL  Richard Flude | 08/08/07
See my reply below.(nt)  ShadeTree | 08/09/07
What the Gateway really looks like  keel | 08/08/07
Short URL for Gateway  keel | 08/08/07
what the gateway really looks like its a remodled TAM  doh123 | 08/10/07
Are You Crazy?!?  Reverend MacFellow | 08/09/07
Variatin on a theme!  ShadeTree | 08/09/07
Hmmmm....  cashaww | 08/09/07
The all in one you reffer to was a large form factor ....  ShadeTree | 08/09/07
LCD all in one before Gateway?  doh123 | 08/10/07
However  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
You're pathetic  MacCanuck | 08/09/07
Refining a design is not the same as inventing  ShadeTree | 08/09/07
So the Gateway is just another form of the  mlindl | 08/10/07
Shade Tree, people who live in glass houses...  mlindl | 08/10/07
Give it up, Shady, nobody is  fuzzy2k | 08/09/07
Really!  ShadeTree | 08/09/07
Wrong but then again all generalizations tend to be...  Laff | 08/10/07
The author is so shallow  mlindl | 08/10/07
Definately ripped from elsewhere.....  D3Vez | 08/09/07
And Gateways was a knock-off of the iMac  BitTwiddler | 08/09/07
The Gateway was the first LCD based ...  ShadeTree | 08/09/07
the 2006 Gateway all in one  mlindl | 08/10/07
no, it wasnt, the Apple TAM was  doh123 | 08/10/07
Still wrong  frabjous | 08/12/07
But wait...  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
And where . . .  JLHenry | 08/10/07
What's a killer app?  mlindl | 08/10/07
One that has NEVER been done before and . . .  JLHenry | 08/11/07
The difference is  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
Apple followed Gateway? Hardly.  7stringdude | 08/09/07
Apple had a CRT based all in one wich ...  ShadeTree | 08/09/07
The 20th Anniversary was LCD not CRT  7stringdude | 08/09/07
yes Apple was first  doh123 | 08/10/07
What about the Lisa?  Laff | 08/10/07
Whatever  flatliner | 08/09/07
One word...  uhlocalboy@... | 08/09/07
Agreed.  ShadeTree | 08/09/07
Apple invented the PC and the all-in-one, remember?  mlindl | 08/10/07
so here is your point...  doh123 | 08/10/07
The Apple TAM was not an all in one ...  ShadeTree | 08/10/07
You're joking, right?  msalzberg | 08/10/07
Tru Dat.......  Laff | 08/10/07
Very misleading picture  ye | 08/08/07
Yes  dragosani | 08/08/07
It is somewhat misleading, but some truth to it  georgeou | 08/08/07
Not misleading  Fred Fredrickson | 08/08/07
Why bother?  comp_indiana | 08/09/07
You, like Apple, are picking a choosing for your example.  ye | 08/09/07
And where, oh where, is the printer cable? wink (nt)  JLHenry | 08/10/07
Plugged into...  msalzberg | 08/10/07
Which isn't Pictured . . .;) (nt)  JLHenry | 08/11/07
Of course not...  msalzberg | 08/11/07
You miss the point, buh  mlindl | 08/10/07
Perhaps someone forgot to clue . . .  JLHenry | 08/11/07
Hmm....  msalzberg | 08/11/07
From the PC Magazine review..  msalzberg | 08/11/07
I think you need a clue.  A Grain of Salt | 08/11/07
This isn't meant as a criticism but  MrBeck | 08/09/07
Actually in business settings it does matter  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/09/07
Really  itpro_z | 08/09/07
Maybe you need to get out into the public a little more  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/09/07
I get out quite a bit  itpro_z | 08/09/07
Could you tell us what part of the Country you're in, . . .  JLHenry | 08/10/07
And I'll bet your office has a "cluttered desktop policy!"  mlindl | 08/10/07
This also isn't meant as a criticism but  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
Because how it looks is your first port of judgement  mlindl | 08/10/07
Priceless  Richard Flude | 08/08/07
Come to think of it, more likely IR receiver  Richard Flude | 08/08/07
So? It's still a cable.  ye | 08/09/07
So?  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
That the photo is an exaggeration.  ye | 08/09/07
Not so much  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
Send us a link to your PC cable stuff  mlindl | 08/10/07
Not a cable coming out of the mac  Richard Flude | 08/09/07
How about the Mini or Mac Pro?  ye | 08/09/07
Price.  mlindl | 08/10/07
Irrelevant  ye | 08/12/07
Less clutter  mlindl | 08/10/07
It's not a card reader - its a webcam  ITGuy04 | 08/09/07
re: It's not a card reader - its a webcam  Badgered | 08/09/07
Sorry, not misleading - equivalence!  Reverend MacFellow | 08/09/07
Why have IR if you're using cabled keyboards and mice?  ye | 08/09/07
The remote-control "clicker" uses IR. (NT)  Atlant | 08/09/07
Speculation. We don't know what's configured.  ye | 08/09/07
And you are trying your hardest  MacCanuck | 08/09/07
So what about the Mini and Mac Pro?  ye | 08/09/07
ye, does the Dell have something that is comparable?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/09/07
And we know you don't know jack...  mlindl | 08/10/07
Sorry, we didn't realize you didn't have . . .  JLHenry | 08/10/07
And let's not forget about the Mini or Mac Pro  ye | 08/09/07
I think...  cashaww | 08/09/07
Proof people see what they want to  mlindl | 08/10/07
Well..  MaxRahder | 08/12/07
In defense of the defenseless  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 08/08/07
It is a great design  TripleII | 08/08/07
Yup, and I'm even making fun of myself  georgeou | 08/08/07
We are different creatures than Mainstream  nucrash | 08/09/07
It's pretty, but other than that....  nucrash | 08/08/07
Actually...  cashaww | 08/09/07
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...  klo_2k | 08/08/07
In reality.....  Laff | 08/09/07
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Well yes and no....  Laff | 08/10/07
Whenever possible...  itpro_z | 08/10/07
Tru Dat.....and that should be ILLEGAL to waist so.  Laff | 08/10/07
I don't buy that, either.  JLHenry | 08/10/07
You really don't seem to see the point at all!  mlindl | 08/10/07
PCs will get there eventually  Ken_z | 08/08/07
You haven't read the OSX EULA  NonZealot | 08/08/07
I doubt if Apple worries about it.  Ken_z | 08/09/07
So it is okay to break Apple's EULA?  NonZealot | 08/09/07
Windows EULA  Cornhead | 08/09/07
So?  NonZealot | 08/09/07
ur obviously getting a cut  Cornhead | 08/09/07
Wrong!  fde101 | 08/10/07
How much is a Windows XP Professional license?  mlindl | 08/10/07
How Ironic  MacCanuck | 08/09/07
what ARE you on about?!?  rtk | 08/09/07
Hate is a five letter word  Chiatzu | 08/09/07
Quick answers to inane questions  NonZealot | 08/09/07
Non is drinking too much again.  nomorems | 08/09/07
The only thing Apple did . . .  JLHenry | 08/10/07
When you buy an OSX disc..  msalzberg | 08/10/07
An obvious point to make, so I shall...  Ben_E | 08/09/07
Software Update  fde101 | 08/09/07
More quick answers  NonZealot | 08/09/07
taking reading classes much?  doh123 | 08/10/07
WTF does this have to do with the article?  mlindl | 08/10/07
Spin  frgough | 08/09/07
Yes, talk about spin!!!  NonZealot | 08/09/07
Let me say it again to the drunkard.  nomorems | 08/09/07
You missed his point.... again  Badgered | 08/09/07
Except...  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
re: Except  Badgered | 08/09/07
Just read it for yourself  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
fine, I'll give it a shot....  Badgered | 08/09/07
re: re: you tried  doh123 | 08/10/07
Go away, you are annoying.  mlindl | 08/10/07
And the full price for Vista Ult is $400. What's your point...  BitTwiddler | 08/09/07
Reallity  itpro_z | 08/09/07
Why throw up Vista Ultimate?  MacCanuck | 08/09/07
Consumer OS  itpro_z | 08/09/07
Way to take it like a man!  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/09/07
Hey, Kid  itpro_z | 08/09/07
Um...  Ben_E | 08/09/07
Whoops!  Ben_E | 08/10/07
iLife is free with your iMac.  mlindl | 08/10/07
Education discount is what I like  doh123 | 08/10/07
half-right and half-wrong  Mr_Dave | 08/09/07
No, I'm all right  NonZealot | 08/09/07
Wrongo EULA breath...  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
you are reading the wrong EULA  Mr_Dave | 08/09/07
sounds like nonzealot has no clothes!!! nt  Cornhead | 08/09/07
Since Apple doesn't sell...  msalzberg | 08/10/07
OSX, the only OS that relies on DRM  NonZealot | 08/09/07
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you're kidding right?  Badgered | 08/09/07
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Don't know what he'd call it, but I'd call it odd  Badgered | 08/10/07
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So what?  mlindl | 08/10/07
Non - you are a NUT!  nomorems | 08/09/07
I'm learning that OSX users have absolutely no morals  NonZealot | 08/09/07
Try calling Apple tech support.  nomorems | 08/09/07
Maybe  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
Security, remove this man from the premises  mlindl | 08/10/07
YOU haven't read the OS X SLA correctly  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
Repeat it all you want!  NonZealot | 08/09/07
Ditto  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
No it does not!  doh123 | 08/10/07
And just to rub it in  NonZealot | 08/09/07
The only one ranting and frothing here  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
In the spin cycle  DannyO_0x98 | 08/09/07
Who cares what Non (entity) says?  mlindl | 08/10/07
Please read the Following:  JLHenry | 08/11/07
And before anyone tells me different . . .  JLHenry | 08/11/07
Microsoft does the same thing  voska | 08/09/07
You are right  NonZealot | 08/09/07
and YOU are wrong  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
Read the Apple SLA for . . .  JLHenry | 08/11/07
Only if the . . .  JLHenry | 08/11/07
I think...  cashaww | 08/09/07
I wonder why you would even care  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/09/07
In Fact, Here's the whole EULA, LAWYERS BE BECKONED  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/09/07
To me, this is the interesting part  Badgered | 08/10/07
Same as Windows updates..  msalzberg | 08/10/07
The question...  Badgered | 08/10/07
The answer  doh123 | 08/10/07
I'd say that the...  msalzberg | 08/10/07
No!  djdawson | 08/10/07
I should be getting the definitive answer soon . . .  JLHenry | 08/11/07
It says and Apple Software update  mlindl | 08/10/07
You may be right  Badgered | 08/10/07
I think that the..  msalzberg | 08/10/07
You've misunderstood the term "Software Update"  djdawson | 08/10/07
I'm ok with that explanation, except...  Badgered | 08/10/07
I use both on the same computer  mlindl | 08/10/07
Again?  Reverend MacFellow | 08/09/07
Jobs has always been about simplicity  Cornhead | 08/09/07
Hehe, I loved your post!  NonZealot | 08/09/07
i'm not saying anything  Cornhead | 08/09/07
5% marketshare is 1 out of every 20 computers  7stringdude | 08/09/07
OK  itpro_z | 08/09/07
Hate to ruin your rant with facts..  msalzberg | 08/09/07
Proof?  itpro_z | 08/09/07
Here's just one link.  msalzberg | 08/10/07
OK, I looked at your link below...  itpro_z | 08/10/07
market share  doh123 | 08/10/07
Apple's marketshare is now..  msalzberg | 08/10/07
HP  ITGuy04 | 08/09/07
HP  ITGuy04 | 08/09/07
Is it increasing?  Ben_E | 08/10/07
Marketshare means nothing, it's Install base that is important  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/09/07
Proof?  itpro_z | 08/09/07
SPA  doh123 | 08/10/07
And every computer in use everywhere  mlindl | 08/11/07
slight correction.  Tigertank | 08/09/07
good point  Cornhead | 08/09/07
The one button mouse  mlindl | 08/10/07
Fine with me  mlindl | 08/10/07
Don't Forget IWork  mgwyn@... | 08/09/07
Have you been to Costco lately?  stano360 | 08/09/07
$500 less than $1199 would be $699  pir8matt | 08/09/07
Just the other day  ITGuy04 | 08/09/07
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Uh-oh!  Atlant | 08/09/07
"spend their time"  Atlant | 08/09/07
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Wow - I guess you're better than everyone else  pir8matt | 08/09/07
Wow  itpro_z | 08/09/07
well...  pir8matt | 08/09/07
Not to mention...  pir8matt | 08/09/07
Sarcasm  itpro_z | 08/09/07
No well designed milk crates?  Vesicant | 08/13/07
"Who gives a flying eff what a computer looks like?"  mlindl | 08/10/07
Can I install Vista on this thing?  david@... | 08/09/07
Windows, in general, works on every other Intel Mac  Atlant | 08/09/07
The real question...  itpro_z | 08/09/07
No, the real question is..  msalzberg | 08/10/07
Why not?  itpro_z | 08/10/07
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Most of us never expand beyond...  Atlant | 08/09/07
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Your response is mo' ironic  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
still fewer..  pir8matt | 08/09/07
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Not that  itpro_z | 08/09/07
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History  itpro_z | 08/09/07
You're right, but I think something has changed  georgeou | 08/12/07
What?  mlindl | 08/10/07
Physical computer size  shanedr | 08/09/07
Except for the monitor, it looks like my old  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/09/07
Wow  itpro_z | 08/09/07
You didn't have the original TRS-80 Model I, then.  JLHenry | 08/10/07
I had a TRS-80  mlindl | 08/10/07
EVERYTHING WAS A TANK BACK THEN!!!!  JLHenry | 08/11/07
Come to think of it...  msalzberg | 08/10/07
Don't sell beauty short  enovikoff | 08/09/07
Apple's margins  mlindl | 08/10/07
Apple's gross margins..  msalzberg | 08/10/07
"They haven't ever been...  msalzberg | 08/11/07
Thin is in??? (Again)  gerhart | 08/09/07
You CAN upgrade an iMac.  nomorems | 08/09/07
Upgrade cards?  7stringdude | 08/09/07
I upgraded two iMacs and three PowerBooks  mlindl | 08/10/07
Odd picture. Why not compare it to a Mac Pro?  miniboss | 08/09/07
But wait,  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/09/07
They are comparable machines. Buh.  mlindl | 08/10/07
Who looks at their computer from the side?  miniboss | 08/09/07
You could put the iMac anywhere  mlindl | 08/10/07
I Could Buy Three Pcs For The Price Of One imac  chessmen | 08/09/07
Goodie goodie goodie  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
And all three will run circles around the imac. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/09/07
Fine if all I want to do is go in circles....  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
and I can buy 3 Kia for the price of One Mercedes...  el1jones | 08/09/07
Not with the car comparison again  itpro_z | 08/09/07
Would you actually...  el1jones | 08/10/07
Actually, I said Toyota or Ford  itpro_z | 08/10/07
And what percentage of the population drives Mercedes?  brble | 08/09/07
That's what I'm trying to convey... they're not cheap, but..  el1jones | 08/10/07
Higher end?  itpro_z | 08/10/07
Yeah, I can buy 3 PCs for the price of an iMac too...  nix_hed | 08/09/07
7 years?  brble | 08/09/07
you dont like...  doh123 | 08/10/07
Huh? 15 years?  brble | 08/10/07
so 7 years is about right  psimpsongore | 08/27/07
Nobody buys those  mlindl | 08/10/07
There's always something missing.  trm1945 | 08/09/07
Not really  MarcB_z | 08/09/07
A small point, but...  itpro_z | 08/09/07
Firewire is the standard interface for...  CowLauncher | 08/09/07
Neat trick  itpro_z | 08/09/07
'T'arget disk mode...  Atlant | 08/10/07
Thanks  itpro_z | 08/10/07
I use Firewire everyday!  mlindl | 08/10/07
Where's the picture...  joethemacfan | 08/09/07
What a bunch of BS... More ZDFUD  TheTruthGiver | 08/09/07
Please. ZDNet is a Microsoft shilling machine.  nomorems | 08/09/07
What?!  LostViking | 08/09/07
LOL, you should have heard the Mac fanboys flame me  georgeou | 08/09/07
You aren't hated George.  mlindl | 08/10/07
Geeez you change computers often  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/09/07
But I spend around $800 per computer  georgeou | 08/09/07
Consider it a hobby  itpro_z | 08/09/07
Yup, new hardware always puts a big smile on my face  georgeou | 08/09/07
With the hard drive crammed in the monitor...  johnay | 08/09/07
I don't think it rotates.  georgeou | 08/09/07
You mean Gateway is an ugly knock off of the iMac  nomorems | 08/09/07
Apples are bargains.  7stringdude | 08/09/07
I agree.... (nt)  el1jones | 08/09/07
Most of us...  itpro_z | 08/09/07
I have said over and over...  msalzberg | 08/10/07
Growth?  itpro_z | 08/10/07
As usual itpro gets it wrong again  mlindl | 08/10/07
Sorry, clumsy phrasing on my part  itpro_z | 08/10/07
Here's the link  mlindl | 08/10/07
Apple sold 675,000 more machines than Gateway last quarter alone  j.m.galvin | 08/10/07
I was looking at 1st quarter numbers  itpro_z | 08/10/07
Real numbers from 10Ks  j.m.galvin | 08/10/07
No, I was quoting market share...  msalzberg | 08/10/07
It depends  CobraA1 | 08/09/07
Explain "power user"  mlindl | 08/10/07
Power user  itpro_z | 08/10/07
I you happen to be in Times Square Mondy afternoon  j.m.galvin | 08/10/07
Would running ...  msalzberg | 08/10/07
Yes, to all of the above  itpro_z | 08/10/07
Of course, there isn't..  msalzberg | 08/11/07
Can only think of vieo & 3d  j.m.galvin | 08/11/07
"The Whole Story"? Hardly.  ParrotHeadFL | 08/09/07
youre right  pir8matt | 08/09/07
Right, But...  ParrotHeadFL | 08/10/07
What? Backwards compatibility?  mlindl | 08/10/07
Hardware, not software  ParrotHeadFL | 08/13/07
There is one fatal flaw in the iMac design  Mectron | 08/09/07
not if you look at the original imac  inertman@... | 08/09/07
ZDNet in general loves misleading...  Narg | 08/09/07
Wow, your genius is stunning  mlindl | 08/10/07
cute  inertman@... | 08/15/07
And yet  Boot_Agnostic | 08/09/07
Apple does not lead anything  jfreedle2@... | 08/09/07
Sure they do  fde101 | 08/10/07
That doesn't mean they don't lead  mlindl | 08/10/07
After being bottom dog for how long?  nucrash | 08/10/07
Your loss  mlindl | 08/11/07
Lot of people avoid the Mac because they don't have a desktop.  Resuna | 08/09/07
Opinions obviously vary...  Atlant | 08/10/07
Have you used the new...  msalzberg | 08/10/07
I guess I'll need to buy a $500 rubber skin  happyharry_z | 08/10/07
Just like the original icrap.. good luck upgrading  Been_Done_Before | 08/10/07
Ooooooh, Prettyyyyyyy!!!!  Saugus | 08/10/07
lol  Badgered | 08/13/07
Mr. Dell gets it...  jgsilva@... | 08/13/07

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