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August 17th, 2007

Vista puts Mac OS X font rendering to shame

Posted by George Ou @ 12:26 am

Categories: Apple, Desktop, Microsoft, Vista

Tags: Apple Mac OS, Apple Macintosh, Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows, Apple Mac OS X, Font, George Ou

[Update 8/24/2007 - Some people are still going around accusing me of stacking the deck and fabricating evidence against Apple by disabling sub-pixel rendering on Mac OS X.  It turns out that there is a problem with the default "automatic" font setting which is suppose to detect if the display is an LCD or CRT.  The original Mac OS X sample I got from my colleague at the CNET/ZDNet office in San Francisco was a PowerPC Mac running Mac OS X 10.4 with a nice 24" Dell LCD attached to it.  The automatic setting on the Mac failed to detect the display was an LCD and it turned off sub-pixel rendering.

At first I thought this was because my colleague was running in portrait mode and the Mac was smart enough to turn off sub-pixel rendering for portrait mode but that was not the case.  A Mac right next to it was running the same kind of Mac with a 24" Dell LCD in normal landscape mode and its automatic setting failed to detect the presence of an LCD display and automatically disabled sub-pixel rendering.  That is a problem with the Mac default automatic setting and not an attempt to sabotage the Mac.  But even with the improved setting on the Mac, it still produced a more blurry font.

As I explained below, this is because Apple chose a different design philosophy which prioritizes the purity of typography with the size and spacing of the fonts more than it acknowledges the limitations of the pixel grid and all modern displays.  While that may be the right design decision if we're talking about pre-press and typesetting applications or for a future display technology capable of 200+ DPI resolution, it's the wrong approach for desktop and browser font rendering.  Jeff Atwood explained this best when he says: "Apple is asking us to sacrifice the present at the altar of the future"]

One of the first things I noticed when I switched to Windows Vista earlier this year was how much of an improvement in font readability Vista has over earlier versions of Windows for the screen fonts.  Windows XP had an older version of “Clear type” that I was never satisfied with so I always ended up using zero font smoothing technology.  The fonts in XP were either too thin or too thick and it just didn’t work right with Clear type.

But I got an even bigger shock when I looked at a Mac this week.  I was at a colleague’s desk and noticed how messed up his fonts were on his shiny Mac so I asked him to capture a screen shot of his Safari web browser pointed at the bnet.com website and send the image to me.  Once I got the image I went ahead and captured a portion of the screen with black text on white background and created a 300% zoom of the image.  Then I created a comparison chart of the fonts side by side along with the magnified version below.

Comparison of font rendering technology

Mac OS X 10.4 Windows Vista Windows XP

Clearly, Mac OS X was the blurriest and faintest of the three major operating systems and it’s the least readable by far and even pales in comparison to Windows XP.  Windows Vista using sub-pixel rendering (which works best in landscape display mode) clearly has the best font rendering technology.

Update 1:30AM - Reader “tombalablomba” submitted a screenshot of Ubuntu and Firefox in the talkback section so I’ve added the following comparison for it.  Thanks!

Mac OS X 10.4 Windows Vista Ubuntu/Firefox

I would probably rate Ubuntu and Firefox same or slightly better than Windows XP but below Vista.  The font looks clean but it’s too thin and the “e” doesn’t look as true to the typography like Vista and Mac.  Mac OS X 10.4 is true to the typography but it’s way too faded out and it doesn’t use sub-pixel rendering sticking only with grey scale edges.  Vista seems to strike the right balance of typography and readability.  [Update 2:40AM - the sample submitted for Ubuntu may have been tweaked to be thinner to the user's liking and it's using a different font than Vista or Mac OS X.

While font technology isn't what's typically considered a killer application or killer feature, it is by far one of the most important usability features in an operating system.  We simply cannot place a price tag on eye strain and someone who works all day long in front of a computer like me greatly appreciates the font rendering technology in Windows Vista.  Mac OS X might have the fancier animated UI but I can't imagine myself looking at those fonts.  Even if you gave me a brand new MacBook Pro - which I happen to think is a very nice though expensive notebook - the first thing I'll do is install Boot camp and Windows Vista.

[Update 2:40AM - Some insist that this is simply a difference in design philosophy from Apple where typography and being faithful to font size is king.  They argue that is Apple is geared for its desktop publishing roots.  I can’t accept that for the following reasons.

  • What percentage of Mac users sit around all day doing nothing but pre-press work?
  • Even if a Mac user works in the desktop publishing industry, do they need that while surfing the web or looking at desktop screen fonts? What In the world do you need to pre-press a web browser for?
  • I can understand prioritizing the font size and typography for something like PageMaker or QuarkXPress, but do it there and leave the desktop and browser fonts alone.
  • There’s nothing to prevent a Windows computer application from doing its own pre-press rendering.

I don't care if someone is using a 30" LCD with 2560x1600 resolution; you're not going to remove the need for sub-pixel rendering and sub-pixel shifting to account for the pixel grid. You must respect the grid if you want to respect the user's eyes.

Managing a desktop operating system and web browsing is NOT a Desktop Publishing pre-press application and therefore trying to prioritize the font typography and size above ALL else is simply the wrong solution for the problem at hand.]

Update 12:20PM - Reader “saddino” submitted a screenshot of Mac OS X with sub pixel rendering turned on.

Saddino submitted Windows Vista Mac OS X 10.4

It looks like it’s been tweaked quite a bit and the word “Insight” has been made too thick to the point that the dot in the “i” is only one pixel away from the letter “n” in bnet.  While it’s certainly better looking than the screenshot I got from my colleague who uses a 24″ LCD with default Mac settings, it’s still not as clear as the Vista rendering.  But why should a Mac user have to turn this on when Apple only sells LCDs?  Soundn’t things “just work” on a Mac?

The improved settings still doesn’t look good because it’s too thick and the word “Insight” looks very exaggerated.  Look at the horizontal line in the letter “e” and it clearly looks blurry.  Clearly the Mac font rendering technology has been designed for a display technology that does not yet exist.  So even with sub-pixel rendering, the Mac fonts still don’t cut it.

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Look up definition of raster  georgeou | 08/17/07
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Ignorant consumers of text!!!  NonZealot | 08/17/07
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Nice job  xuniL_z | 08/17/07
one can afford to be arrogant...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
You are the only one commenting on typography  NonZealot | 08/17/07
Because they don't know any better...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/18/07
OMG  jjarman | 08/18/07
Fool  People | 08/18/07
if you repeat...  Rick_K | 08/18/07
would one who must read  xuniL_z | 08/17/07
You're right  frgough | 08/18/07
YAWN....work for myself...never a complaint in my career..thanks anyway  xuniL_z | 08/18/07
Ah, so that's why...  msalzberg | 08/17/07
My MacOS X Results (why Ou is wrong)  SG- | 08/17/07
corrected link  SG- | 08/17/07
I've already uploaded Saddino's results  georgeou | 08/17/07
George, now you're trying to...  msalzberg | 08/17/07
Message has been deleted.  The_Nutty_Zealot | 08/17/07
Check this link:  msalzberg | 08/17/07
I see, no PhD = fraud  georgeou | 08/17/07
No, George, you called him..  msalzberg | 08/17/07
When you make outrageous claims without data  georgeou | 08/18/07
George, read your own post...  jragosta | 08/18/07
Wait a second...  Rick_K | 08/18/07
George, and what do you say..  msalzberg | 08/19/07
Topography  AnonymousBugMeNotUser | 08/17/07
When you have to resort to "you've got a typo" argument, you've lost  georgeou | 08/17/07
And when you don't know proper word usage  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
Why not buy one?  Joeman57 | 08/17/07
I don't own any  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
I seem to have misplaced all mine  Joeman57 | 08/17/07
ha ha ha  AnonymousBugMeNotUser | 08/20/07
he changed it!  AnonymousBugMeNotUser | 08/20/07
Sorry George, but...  Bozzer | 08/17/07
When did opinion become fact?  Martin Pilkington | 08/17/07
Windows PIXELATED Startup Screen  lantzn | 08/17/07
And you live in the startup screen right?  georgeou | 08/17/07
Wow, the ABMers are getting desperate!  NonZealot | 08/17/07
and it says loads about YOU...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
I don't know  jragosta | 08/17/07
It's because ...  CobraA1 | 08/18/07
I actually never thought of that...  msalzberg | 08/19/07
try to stick to subjects you know about  maddog_uk_69 | 08/17/07
I second the motion  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
Shows the difference between people  NonZealot | 08/17/07
yes, but we're also all readers...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
Um, yes?  NonZealot | 08/17/07
Suggested reading...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
If I was the least bit interested, I would  NonZealot | 08/17/07
95% of the World does not use Windows , so get over yourself Zealot .  The_Nutty_Zealot | 08/17/07
Quote me right now!!  NonZealot | 08/17/07
Idiot statements part 1  Bozzer | 08/19/07
Sourch  jragosta | 08/19/07
While you may not work with type...  msalzberg | 08/17/07
Finally worthy of a response!  NonZealot | 08/17/07
I think we're mostly in agreement here, really.  msalzberg | 08/17/07
A further thought...  msalzberg | 08/17/07
Why You Prefer A  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
re: Why you prefer A  msalzberg | 08/18/07
George doesn't know anything about reading?  NonZealot | 08/17/07
Almost all onscreen typography sucks...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
Even people working in desktop publishing surf the web  georgeou | 08/17/07
User base....  jragosta | 08/17/07
A web designer designed his page for print?  georgeou | 08/17/07
Web design  jragosta | 08/17/07
So true  bunwhisper | 08/18/07
Worse than that  jragosta | 08/18/07
Color Correction  lightandshadow | 08/17/07
I've downloaded Safari for Windows  georgeou | 08/17/07
Don't worry  jragosta | 08/17/07
JPEG 2000  lightandshadow | 08/19/07
Most likely they designed designed their page in an Adobe product...  jjarman | 08/18/07
This link proves your prepress comments/assumptions are wrong.  jjarman | 08/19/07
oye  richvball44 | 08/18/07
As I said elsewhere...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
Boo!  lumilux | 08/17/07
Author never seen a Mac OS X?  mrregistered | 08/17/07
Incorrect statement about "default settings"  danielbeck | 08/17/07
My colleague uses a 24" LCD display  georgeou | 08/17/07
More inaccuracies, hmm?  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
Is this your idea of research?  jragosta | 08/20/07
I thought a mac was supposed to 'just work'.  georgeou | 08/25/07
Only idiots take the exception for the rule...  V-Train | 08/25/07
You might have a point if I didn't update the blog within 10 hours  georgeou | 08/26/07
A real journalist does the research BEFORE posting the article  V-Train | 08/26/07
Oh, I see.  danielbeck | 08/20/07
The comparison includes both settings on the Mac  georgeou | 08/25/07
Different results on my Mac  Guntis_z | 08/17/07
Hehe, it is so easy to get Apple zealots in a tizzy!!  NonZealot | 08/17/07
Wrong, as usual.  jragosta | 08/17/07
Funny how you keep saying the 95% of the world uses Windows .  The_Nutty_Zealot | 08/17/07
Are you lying or deliberately misreading?  Joeman57 | 08/17/07
oh they're not lying...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
tired of this c*ap  richvball44 | 08/18/07
Idiot statements part 2  Bozzer | 08/19/07
PDF Screenshots here  lantzn | 08/17/07
View in Reader  lantzn | 08/17/07
Screenshots not representitive  DamienGuard | 08/17/07
There's no problem  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/17/07
Wrong, wrong, wrong.  Bozzer | 08/17/07
or find a new career in print publishing...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
There's ignorance, and there's...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
Wow, how interesting  Qbt | 08/17/07
Learn what?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/17/07
And who introduced proportional fonts to GUIs?  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
Two different approaches... mac is better (IMO)  taharvey@... | 08/17/07
Uhhh, I smell a rat  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/17/07
Wow! Your screenshot looks as bad as my colleague's computer  georgeou | 08/17/07
Dude, what are talking about?!?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/19/07
George based on the poll results...  mrlinux | 08/17/07
Looks like the Mac faithful came through  georgeou | 08/17/07
You could only know that for sure  zkiwi | 08/17/07
Or more precisely, people who know typography...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/17/07
Worth having an anonymous poll just so you could say this  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 08/18/07
or  richvball44 | 08/18/07
Statistics 101, factor user base percentages into poll2000+ results...WOW!!  jjarman | 08/18/07
Why bother?  jragosta | 08/18/07
The poll does prove one thing for sure.  georgeou | 08/19/07
Maybe beause some of us...  msalzberg | 08/19/07
Proof?  jragosta | 08/19/07
Hey genius, your poll asks which TECHNOLOGY is better, not which sample  V-Train | 08/19/07
++ (nt)  MTMacPhee | 08/25/07
This Poll Does Prove One Thing!!! A Serious Statistics Misunderstanding!!!  jjarman | 08/19/07
+++ (nt)  MTMacPhee | 08/25/07
Important Questions Worth Considering and Many Interesting Facts!!!  jjarman | 08/18/07
some more of the answers...and a few more questions.  jjarman | 08/18/07
Two additional interesting points  jjarman | 08/18/07
One easy question to answer...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/18/07
Bueller? Bueller? (nt)  MTMacPhee | 08/25/07
Say what???  Dorian Mattar | 08/18/07
Full of it  bunwhisper | 08/18/07
" . . . article is useless."  brian ansorge | 08/18/07
Advertisements...  victorpanlilio@... | 08/18/07
Good point  jragosta | 08/18/07
What are you?  kboggs@... | 08/18/07
Getting a life?  victorpanlilio@... | 08/18/07
Ou's blog  kRogue | 08/18/07
Yes, he is  jragosta | 08/18/07
Boycott stupid people and thier blogs.  kRogue | 08/18/07
Another stupid argument  Blad_Rnr | 08/18/07
SAFARI on VISTA  johnfenjackson@... | 08/18/07
Most people don't think it's clearer than IE7  georgeou | 08/18/07
Who are these most people?  V-Train | 08/18/07
ROTFLMAO  jragosta | 08/18/07
lol  richvball44 | 08/18/07
Next time, George  Suicida| | 08/18/07
What gets me with ClearType in Vista seems to always assume an LCD  CobraA1 | 08/18/07
It's a safe assumption  georgeou | 08/18/07
Yes they do...  Someguy2 | 08/18/07
I thought I was talking about Vista.  CobraA1 | 08/18/07
According to the anti-Apple crowd..  msalzberg | 08/19/07
Don't put words in my mouth  georgeou | 08/19/07
Sorry, George. I read...  msalzberg | 08/19/07
Yeah, and we all know how well automatic works  georgeou | 08/25/07
Get a Mac  jragosta | 08/19/07
Take a look at the "s" in Insight  guest@... | 08/18/07
Completely False  sean7 | 08/18/07
Points, Picas, etc...  MisterRon | 08/18/07
You need to read this link.  raist3d | 08/18/07
Oh and btw, with a title of an article like that...  raist3d | 08/18/07
Poorly Executed and Embarrassing article  macgruder | 08/18/07
Leopard to Feature Resolution Independence  shoktai@... | 08/18/07
It's amazing these Apple Trollls  serpentmage | 08/19/07
They are not trolls but you are a fool  macgruder | 08/19/07
Yep. Times never change.  jragosta | 08/19/07
I prefer Mac font rendering  interlocutor | 08/19/07
George Ou puts journalistic integrity to shame  whisperycat | 08/19/07
Net neutrality extremists should stop playing engineers  Eeem | 08/19/07
omg!  Eeem | 08/19/07
Only problem  jragosta | 08/19/07
This is so obvious that anyone can see  georgeou | 08/19/07
FABRICATED samples  jragosta | 08/19/07
Which samples?  jragosta | 08/19/07
Oh RLY.  Bozzer | 08/20/07
Article highlights how stupid some "experts" can be.  j.m.galvin | 08/19/07
What does the monitor have to do with this?  georgeou | 08/19/07
How bloody stupid can one person get  j.m.galvin | 08/19/07
Please get a clue, look up definition of screenshot  georgeou | 08/19/07
George you have to look at the screenshot with something.  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/19/07
Analog VS Digital LCD Displays  lightandshadow | 08/19/07
16 by 10 aspect ratio and 1920 by 1200 resolution is a pretty good hint  georgeou | 08/25/07
Another swing and a miss for Ou... Sony GDM-W900  V-Train | 08/26/07
Sorry, George, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/19/07
Your screen shot still looks bad  georgeou | 08/19/07
Tweaked? What?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/19/07
Oh, and another thing  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/20/07
Zero credibility due to zero intelligence.  Bozzer | 08/19/07
You are embarrassing yourself - please stop  georgeou | 08/19/07
And you're not embarrassed?  msalzberg | 08/19/07
You are funny  Bozzer | 08/20/07
An Expert's Opinion  shoktai@... | 08/19/07
Are you censoring posts? I said a far better analysis is here...  raist3d | 08/19/07
Common practice  jragosta | 08/19/07
Here's a clue  georgeou | 08/19/07
Ou logic  jragosta | 08/19/07
Plenty of them get deleted, but it's for the right reason and it isn't me  georgeou | 08/19/07
How do you know that?  jragosta | 08/20/07
We have very good moderators  georgeou | 08/25/07
So, that makes me wonder...  Moltz | 08/23/07
I may be wrong  zkiwi | 08/19/07
WOW, Now that is an ADMISSION worth reading!!!  jjarman | 08/19/07
No, it's just your poor understanding of language  georgeou | 08/19/07
hahaha - you are hillarious! i had a few min. laugh over what you missed!  jjarman | 08/19/07
you are correct  richvball44 | 08/19/07
Why can't I see that on my mac?  mag0mez | 08/19/07
So much for the Mac graphics myth  SpaceCowboyNJ | 08/19/07
So much for you having a mind of your own.  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/19/07
Proof  jragosta | 08/19/07
You call Apple arrogant with that headline you posted?  raist3d | 08/19/07
The only purpose of these headlines are to get you!  keel | 08/19/07
My experience  andrewjg | 08/19/07
Poor Ou!!!!  Hakime | 08/20/07
Poll currently 70% in favor of Mac font rendering.  jjarman | 08/20/07
Am i the only person who finds the Vista example...blocky and DOS like?  jjarman | 08/20/07
A potentially more meaningful inquiry...  fde101 | 08/20/07
Rendering issue or useability issue?  mlindl | 08/20/07
Desperate are We?  jeffharris | 08/20/07
Scraping the bottom of the barrel  ejhonda | 08/20/07
This is b.s.  soverel33 | 08/20/07
Not on mine either...  jjarman | 08/20/07
Agree with George  appleRulez | 08/20/07
Perhaps  jragosta | 08/20/07
And you're spouting off nonsense  georgeou | 08/24/07
Some Mac users don't know...that problem is improper settings  jjarman | 08/20/07
Interesting  jragosta | 08/20/07
Just changes the visually perceived shapness...not the actual sharpness.  jjarman | 08/21/07
btw.  jjarman | 08/21/07
how about this article  appleRulez | 08/20/07
Thanks for posting that  georgeou | 08/24/07
PAGEMAKER????  chrisndeca | 08/23/07
Last time I checked, IT people don't run Adobe  georgeou | 08/24/07
George Ou is a liar  notmart | 08/24/07
You sure you didn't leave an "s" out of your handle?  georgeou | 08/24/07
Expensive compared to free  Open means Good | 08/25/07
Why are MS fans so rude and ignorant  urbanlung | 08/25/07
Why write about things you don't understand?  SquishyParts | 08/25/07
Excellent Article  davebarnes | 08/26/07
RE: Vista puts Mac OS X font rendering to shame  vrioux | 10/10/07
RE: Vista puts Mac OS X font rendering to shame  pyb24seven@... | 03/03/08
About freetype in Linux  kikkeartworx | 04/12/08
RE: Vista puts Mac OS X font rendering to shame  georgeclooney | 06/09/08
Not sure what George did, I can't replicate  grail@... | 10/20/08
Wheres the beef  Terry Riegel | 11/11/08
thanks, I'm not crazy  tata668 | 12/01/08

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