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September 12th, 2007

AMD: Is closing the quad-core deficit enough?

Posted by George Ou @ 12:24 pm

Categories: AMD, Energy efficiency - green, Hardware, Intel, News, Processors, Servers, Virtualization

Tags: Performance, Quad-core, Barcelona, Advanced Micro Devices Inc., Analysis, Intel Corp., SPECint_rate2006, SPECjbb2005, FBDIMM, Scott Wasson

AMD kicked off the “premier” of their latest microprocessor offering with a launch party at the Herbst International Exhibit Hall Monday night.  Partners like VMware, HP, Dell, Sun, Oracle, IBM, Microsoft and others were on hand or were there by video link to celebrate the launch of AMD’s single-die quad-core milestone processor.  Barcelona is critical for AMD since it was getting battered by Intel’s ten-month head start in quad-core processors which used a cheaper-to-manufacture dual-die process.

AMD argues that its single-die “native quad-core” process with its lower latency is architecturally superior to Intel’s dual-die process.  But the challenges of manufacturing a massive 283mm squared die with high yields and high clock speeds is daunting and the fact that Barcelona is 6 months late and 600 MHz short makes this fact painfully clear.  AMD’s executive VP Mario Rivas admitted back in March that he wished AMD had “immediately done a MCM - two dual cores and call it a quad-core” if he could do it all over again.  Intel takes the easy manufacturing route of combining two 143mm squared dies which allows Intel to mix and match the best combinations.  Intel’s soon to launch 45nm chip takes the die size down to an even more manageable 107mm squared.

Earlier this year, AMD had told several news organizations such as ZDNet and TGDaily that Barcelona will outperform Intel’s Clovertown 2.66 GHz quad-core processor by margins of 20 and 50 percent on both integer and floating point.  It was initially implied that AMD was comparing a 2.6 GHz Barcelona processor, but it wasn’t confirmed until AMD distributed 2.6 GHz benchmarks in July with similar performance claims.  The actual launch speed for Barcelona was 2.0 GHz and it fell short of AMD’s original claims by a significant margin.  The actual benchmarks which were leaked to me last Friday which are now confirmed by published SPEC.org results indicate a 24% deficit on SPECint_rate2006 and a 15.4% lead on SPECfp_rate2006 over Intel’s best two-socket processors which is a far cry from the 20 and 50 lead claimed by AMD earlier in the year.

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RE: AMD: Is closing the quad-core deficit enough?
I agree. I just got an HP with a "supposed" blazing fast quad processor that can barley keep up with vist!... (Read the rest)
Posted by: tylerkastl@... Posted on: 09/16/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Are you talking "on-Paper" or "In Reality" ?  BitTwiddler | 09/12/07
All numbers I cite are published on spec.org  georgeou | 09/12/07
Spec.org only useful for marketing  Uber Dweeb | 09/13/07
George on SPECjjb2005  halbhh2@... | 09/12/07
Never claimed both ways  georgeou | 09/12/07
He also asks us to disregard existing benchmarks  CFKane | 09/12/07
Neither AnandTech or TechReport are claiming official SPEC results  georgeou | 09/12/07
They're still claiming comparativeness  CFKane | 09/13/07
When published spec scores are available, that's what people go with  georgeou | 09/13/07
You're contradicting yourself  CFKane | 09/13/07
Same reply to you as always  georgeou | 09/13/07
And now you're ridiculing yourself  CFKane | 09/13/07
Give your readers a break  CFKane | 09/12/07
Don't worry about me  georgeou | 09/12/07
George, your reply is strange.  nizuse | 09/12/07
give George a break  patibulo | 09/13/07
why are some of you guys such ********  pcguy777 | 09/13/07
His Crayon Broke.  Bozzer | 09/13/07
why a graph?  patibulo | 09/13/07
As an example  CFKane | 09/13/07
That graph is clearly symbolic  georgeou | 09/13/07
This is all old news. Barcelona is not...  bjbrock | 09/12/07
Is closing the quad-core deficit enough?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/07
Then what?  jasonp@... | 09/14/07
AMD's performance claims  CFKane | 09/12/07
2360SE is an engineering part. It's not available.  georgeou | 09/12/07
Like I said  CFKane | 09/13/07
Again, AMD got caught in JULY passing these outdated results  georgeou | 09/13/07
Like I said  CFKane | 09/13/07
That was the most pathetic comment I've ever heard.  georgeou | 09/13/07
This is what it's all about  CFKane | 09/13/07
No, you're done  georgeou | 09/13/07
Classic Ou "argument style"  Robert Crocker | 09/13/07
I've seen that many times  CFKane | 09/13/07
Furthermore...  thx-1138_@... | 09/13/07
RE: AMD: Is closing the quad-core deficit enough?  kyuutoo | 09/12/07
Until CSI is out, Intel will underperform  Dr-T | 09/12/07
Interesting observation  dberlind | 09/13/07
It's one advantage, but it comes at a price  georgeou | 09/13/07
There's performance...  jasonp@... | 09/14/07
And despite the memory handicap, they're still kicking AMD's can all over t  georgeou | 09/13/07
"kicking AMD's can all over"  BaneOfWilbur | 09/13/07
I give credit where credit is due  georgeou | 09/13/07
You sounded like an Intel evangalist...  jasonp@... | 09/14/07
RE: So now AnandTech isnt good enough for you  BaneOfWilbur | 09/12/07
Yep  nizuse | 09/12/07
When did I say AnandTech isn't good enough?  georgeou | 09/12/07
Your comment above  BaneOfWilbur | 09/13/07
I'll take SPEC over AnandTech or any independent site any day  georgeou | 09/13/07
Yes, it's that but a bit more  jay_tcb | 09/12/07
This blog cites pros and cons of both Intel and AMD  georgeou | 09/12/07
AMD: Back in the Lead Again  kyron.gustafson@... | 09/13/07
They're not back in the lead on performance  georgeou | 09/13/07
Whatever happened to TPC-C, SAP, TPC, etc...  thetruthhurts | 09/13/07
There were no SAP, TPC, SPECweb, SPECjbb benchmarks on those slides  georgeou | 09/13/07
Some errors  zpdixon42 | 09/12/07
That was rounding error due to AMD only giving two significant figures  georgeou | 09/13/07
They'll eventually make a comeback  CobraA1 | 09/13/07
Intel Fanboy  wizardb@... | 09/13/07
Stop CPU comparisons. Give us a break.  The Rationalist | 09/13/07
RE: AMD: Is closing the quad-core deficit enough?  john_wade_91@... | 09/13/07
Still impressed with AMD  ffarg.cram@... | 09/13/07
Same for me.  Grayson Peddie | 09/13/07
RE: AMD: Is closing the quad-core deficit enough?  ceh4702 | 09/13/07
Message has been deleted.  thx-1138_@... | 09/13/07
RE: AMD: Is closing the quad-core deficit enough?  charles.walters@... | 09/13/07
Thanks, as I suspected  georgeou | 09/13/07
I guess a step in the right direction is not good enough anymore?  Narg | 09/13/07
I only got through the first page, here's my comment.  Bill F. | 09/14/07
LOL  AMD OPTERON | 09/14/07
RE: AMD: Is closing the quad-core deficit enough?  tylerkastl@... | 09/16/07

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