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September 25th, 2007

Why OLPC mesh wireless networking won't work

Posted by George Ou @ 2:33 am

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Why OLPC mesh wireless networking won't workOne of the touted features of the $200 OLPC laptop is the peer-to-peer mesh topology networking feature that can theoretically bring an Internet infrastructure where there is no network infrastructure. The problem is that peer-to-peer wireless LAN mesh topology sounds better than it actually works and there’s a good reason it isn’t used commercially.

[UPDATE 9/27/2007 - I should clarify that OLPC mesh technology applies to the XO laptop shown on the left or to the Intel Classmate [current version of Classmate doesn't support mesh].  Intel is also on the board of OLPC so it’s not OLPC versus Intel.  Intel is also providing some help on technology based on the centralized Access Point and Bridge model.  OLPCs can also work with centralized wireless LAN infrastructures and that is the point of this blog; that the two technologies work best together and that they’re not mutually exclusive.  A $60 Linksys router running modified Linux and a $20 antenna can provide fast and reliable infrastructure for the entire school.]

The word “mesh” is traditionally highly regarded in the networking world because every IT student is taught in Computer Networking 101 that “mesh topology” is the most advanced form of networking. Mesh topology traditionally conjures up the image of multiple redundant links with high-performance distributed loads but that only applies to the wired networking world when multiple physical links are used to build the network. High-performance and load-distribution does not apply to wireless mesh topology especially when we’re talking about typical implementations that use a single radio and a single radio frequency. In fact, every wireless relay adds another hop and the relay action doubles the radio contention because the same data has to be retransmitted on the same radio frequency.

Even if we ignore the delay and contention problems of mesh topology wireless LANs, there’s an even more fundamental problem facing the peer-to-peer mesh technology being implemented in projects like the OLPC. The radios and antennas are so small that it would take hundreds of OLPC devices with perfect spacing to replace a single high-powered Access Point with high-gain antennas. Consider the illustration below where I compare OLPC laptops that are capable of transmitting up to 50 meters with their small 30mW radios and small antennas versus a centralized AP that’s capable of 400 meters range.

Mesh versus Access Point topology:
Mesh versus Access Point topology

Note that I’m being very conservative with the 400 meter range with a 300mW Access Point because those things can easily go twice as far. But even with a mere 8:1 advantage in range, it would take more than a hundred OLPC laptops to cover the same area. If we’re talking about a more realistic 16:1 advantage in range, then it would take more than 400 OLPC laptops to cover the same area and they would all have to be spaced out perfectly. We also have the possibility of using 500mW radios and 16 dBi antennas for even longer range in rural areas. When we consider the fact that a single failure in one of the mesh nodes due to battery drainage, moving out of range, software hang will cause the entire mesh scheme to break, there simply is no way to get around the centralized architecture.

Last week at Intel’s IDF convention in San Francisco, Intel’s “World Ahead Program” was showing off some cheap commodity technology and blueprints that would empower schools with wireless networking and Internet access. These blueprints and part lists allow the schools to build their own wireless infrastructure with cheap off-the-shelf components. The all-in-one Wireless Access Point and Wireless Bridge box (dual radio) allows remote locations that lack wired Internet uplinks to bridge wirelessly to the central uplink. I came up a slightly modified version shown in the illustration below to show the flexibility of this architecture.

AP and bridged extension wireless LAN (full size):
AP and bridged extension wireless LAN

With a few of these “towers” with sufficient transmit power and high-gain omni-directional antennas for client access and directional antennas for the backhaul; we can reliably cover a very large campus.

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throwing this in
I was looking for a wireless repeater and came across this interesting debate and did some research.

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One remark  tombalablomba | 09/25/07
You're mistaken  georgeou | 09/25/07
re  tombalablomba | 09/25/07
we're also forgetting this is meant for the third world  Valis Keogh | 09/25/07
Uh oh - something Ou doesn't want to see  nizuse | 09/25/07
Directional antennas are cheap!  sf_boston | 09/25/07
I know  tombalablomba | 09/25/07
Cheap USB directional adapter  sf_boston | 09/25/07
RE  tombalablomba | 09/25/07
throwing this in  zee_oh_six@... | 02/09/08
RE: Why OLPC mesh wireless networking won't work  Manukanz | 09/25/07
I think the people at MIT  Linux User 147560 | 09/25/07
Even if  noyava@... | 09/25/07
they can  tombalablomba | 09/25/07
nice MIT guys  anplymoth | 09/25/07
That wasn't my point.  georgeou | 09/27/07
RE: Why OPLC mesh wireless networking won't work  TTGIT Guy | 09/25/07
LOL, Guttman Anyone? Anyone? NT  bka1959 | 09/25/07
Range and power is something that's fundamental  georgeou | 09/25/07
Read my post again  TTGIT Guy | 09/25/07
I did read your post and I gave you my answer  georgeou | 09/25/07
Mesh and AP  anplymoth | 09/26/07
Still easier to use a slightly larger antenna and radio  georgeou | 09/26/07
It would be great if...  D. T. Schmitz | 09/25/07
Some more remarks  tombalablomba | 09/25/07
You can build two access points  georgeou | 09/25/07
Re  tombalablomba | 09/25/07
I was a wireless architect with deployments throughout the world  georgeou | 09/25/07
"Wireless Architect"  filker0 | 09/25/07
Point-to-point and Point-to-mobile  georgeou | 09/25/07
(1) OLPC have already funded AP research (2) real mesh networks do work  stevey_d | 09/26/07
Your example cited is not client-side peer-to-peer mesh  georgeou | 09/27/07
Re,  tombalablomba | 09/25/07
No, the mesh performance is at least cut in half  georgeou | 09/26/07
according to the documentation, the OLPC uses 2-3 watts of power  stevey_d | 09/26/07
Natural Diasters  douglasjohnledet@... | 09/25/07
Acess Points can be solar powered and portable  georgeou | 09/25/07
George - getting desperate to prove our point are we! - NT  raycote | 09/25/07
Then buy them.  TripleII | 09/25/07
George's Objectivity...  BanjoPaterson | 09/25/07
Asking George to follow an epistemologically sound process, dream on! - NT  raycote | 09/25/07
Blanket coverage vs Repeaters to extend it  ruprick_z | 09/25/07
Seriously flawed article  anplymoth | 09/25/07
I work with an RF engineer  jacarter3 | 09/25/07
Don't put words in my mouth, I never said OLPC won't work  georgeou | 09/25/07
No, but I do remember you calling it something akin to a POS  nucrash | 09/25/07
I am sorry, that was the UI  nucrash | 09/25/07
And I still stand by that.  georgeou | 09/25/07
My Mistake  nucrash | 09/26/07
The Wizard of Ou says "this is my business"  jacarter3 | 09/26/07
No one gets censored if they don't run potty mouth  georgeou | 09/26/07
Larger radio and 16 dBi will let you have 10 times the range  georgeou | 09/25/07
but then you need a power infrastructure for the APs.. problem or more cost  stevey_d | 09/25/07
It's the cost of a few OLPCs  georgeou | 09/25/07
Plus the labor and/or time...  NetArch. | 09/27/07
And you don't need anyone to install the router?  georgeou | 09/27/07
RE: Why OLPC mesh wireless networking won't work  myesb | 09/25/07
I agree  anplymoth | 09/25/07
That's faster than my DSL  pointzerotwo@... | 09/25/07
Sorry you missed the point  georgeou | 09/25/07
IF YOU SAY SO! - NT  raycote | 09/25/07
I think you miss the point  TripleII | 09/25/07
LMOA, spell checker changed mesh to mess!  TripleII | 09/25/07
Acess Point is $50  georgeou | 09/25/07
$50+$50 for redundancy X many schools = get out your checkbook George -NT  raycote | 09/25/07
It's about 1/2 the cost of one OLPC. nt  georgeou | 09/25/07
LOL, yes, but they don't have a laptop?  TripleII | 09/25/07
The AP comes free with the Linksys NAT/Firewall/router  georgeou | 09/25/07
That's all well and good  TripleII | 09/25/07
make that $1500  tombalablomba | 09/25/07
Why do you keep insisting on this being mutually exclusive?  georgeou | 09/25/07
I agree, not trying to be either/or  TripleII | 09/25/07
Not so fast, a lot of Governments are backing off the $200 PC  georgeou | 09/25/07
Nicholas Negorponte is actually running schools in the third world  stevey_d | 09/26/07
Afraid of the Technology  filker0 | 09/25/07
You miss the point entirely of OLPC.  The Rationalist | 09/25/07
This isn't talking about OLPC, it's OLPC mesh  georgeou | 09/25/07
Mesh networking is a major OLPC cost strategy -nice try George! - NT  raycote | 09/25/07
Message has been deleted.  The Rationalist | 09/25/07
I see your point but raise you a counter point  Been_Done_Before | 09/25/07
Percolation  shis-ka-bob | 09/25/07
Broadcast topology?  Robert Crocker | 09/25/07
Ever wonder how cell phones work  georgeou | 09/25/07
Cellular systems uses separate channels  anplymoth | 09/26/07
We're not talking as extreme as a cell tower  georgeou | 09/26/07
large AP  anplymoth | 09/26/07
Interference by what? You're completely speculating  georgeou | 09/26/07
hundreds of OLPC devices?  anplymoth | 09/27/07
And what do you do with each other when you're connected?  georgeou | 09/27/07
But it WILL work...  anplymoth | 09/28/07
A shovel with a rope handle instead of a long shaft will "work",  georgeou | 09/28/07
Frankentrees in Africe?  Robert Crocker | 09/27/07
You're trying to compare a cell tower to a $60 Wireless Router and $20 ante  georgeou | 09/27/07
are you saying that Roofnet (has working for some time) doesn't work???  stevey_d | 09/25/07
Totally different that this  georgeou | 09/25/07
In that case you'll have head of OSPF and RIP  stevey_d | 09/25/07
When was the last time you built a router with OSPF, EIGRP, and BGP?  georgeou | 09/25/07
Your right  anplymoth | 09/26/07
"I'm the guy that use to get up at 2AM" maybe you should have used mesh  stevey_d | 09/26/07
For the last time, 6-foot 12 dBi or 8-foot 16 dBi antenna  georgeou | 09/26/07
further to my post above with a link to a zdnet article intel/cisco mesh  stevey_d | 09/26/07
Starting November 12th we can buy1 give1 for $399 from http://xogiving.org/  stevey_d | 09/25/07
Don't need to change the ROM, OLPC already works with APs  georgeou | 09/25/07
I'm struggling to see your point here george  stevey_d | 09/25/07
Can you attach a 6 foot long antenna to your laptop?  georgeou | 09/25/07
Why not plug aerial into laptop, & solar power laptop?  stevey_d | 09/26/07
OLPC costs $200, AP is free with the $60 Linksys Router  georgeou | 09/26/07
Topology  sf_boston | 09/25/07
What's wrong with a $50 access point connecting the whole school?  georgeou | 09/25/07
what if there is no internet uplink  stevey_d | 09/25/07
How many 50 meter uplinks to span Africa?  georgeou | 09/25/07
Store and Forward  filker0 | 09/25/07
You're talking about a contention network on a shared radio frequency  georgeou | 09/25/07
Being a Lone Voice in the Wilderness...  BanjoPaterson | 09/26/07
First of all, XO OLPC isn't limited to just mesh  georgeou | 09/26/07
That depends on the capacity,  anplymoth | 09/26/07
Mesh is Empowerment  pklammer | 09/25/07
And that's the utopian concept that's taboo to speak out against  georgeou | 09/25/07
In the places this XO machines is destined for...  kraterz | 09/25/07
RE: Why OLPC mesh wireless networking won't work  BitBoat | 09/25/07
RE: Why OLPC mesh wireless networking won't work  sad2see | 09/26/07
And this totally blows away George's whole article  stevey_d | 09/26/07
Classmate PC doesn't use mesh networking  Nick_Jacobs | 09/27/07
Last time I was at Intel research day, they said it did have mesh.  georgeou | 09/27/07
I checked internally...  Nick_Jacobs | 09/27/07
Thanks, I checked again and they said they were working on it  georgeou | 09/27/07
Not having the extra complexity is actually a plus as far as I'm concerned  georgeou | 09/27/07
What about when AP is turned off?  pklammer | 10/01/07
If the AP is turned off, your Internet access is down.  georgeou | 10/11/07
No, if AP is turned off, ALL your networking is down  pklammer | 10/15/07
90% of your traffic is wireless client to client?  georgeou | 10/16/07
Majority inter-peer traffic vs SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE  pklammer | 01/07/08
RE: Why OLPC mesh wireless networking won't work  jcard0na | 11/24/07
30mw - 1.3 kilometers... what are you talking about?  pcguy777 | 01/02/08
In optimal conditions, the alternatives I mention will do 100 KM  georgeou | 01/03/08
Who uses AD HOC wireless networking???  pcguy777 | 01/02/08

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