Read the original PDF
icheyne | 09/26/07
|

And you call that choice?
georgeou | 09/26/07
|
 
That doesn't stop the OEM installing the users choice
deaf_e_kate | 09/26/07
|
  
Re-read the PDF paper, especially the part about the ban.
georgeou | 09/26/07
|
   
I cant see anything about a ban, do you mean
deaf_e_kate | 09/26/07
|
    
Sad
georgeou | 09/26/07
|
     
re:sad
deaf_e_kate | 09/27/07
|
     
So, Where's the ban.
Update victim | 09/27/07
|
     
Sweet!!!
i8thecat | 10/12/07
|
     
to i8thecat: awesome
blarman_z | 12/13/07
|
   
No ban. And no mention that resellers can not sell install services.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
    
Hard to read when you have filters on
georgeou | 09/26/07
|
     
Sorry George
deaf_e_kate | 09/27/07
|
     
AGREED, Please take yours off. (NT)
Update victim | 09/27/07
|
    
As I do
dwjunix | 09/26/07
|
     
It Would include Apple.
ShadeTree | 09/27/07
|
   
Check it out in this country
rhomp2002@... | 09/27/07
|
    
Dealing with wrong people...
magpie_z | 09/27/07
|
   
@ georgeou RE: BAN
AJ-Ubuntu-User | 09/27/07
|
 
Choice?
Bozzer | 09/26/07
|
  
Read what I said I would do
georgeou | 09/26/07
|
  
No, but that's because
notsofast | 09/26/07
|
   
EU Ban
Techanalyst | 09/27/07
|
    
Installation difficulties?
Update victim | 09/27/07
|
  
Read the license...
magpie_z | 09/27/07
|
   
read the post
jmelnik | 12/13/07
|
   
That is not blanket
alaniane@... | 12/17/07
|
 
Do you even know the whole story?
AJ-Ubuntu-User | 09/27/07
|

Not so easy for a non-tech TO install boxed Windows
deaf_e_kate | 09/26/07
|
 
Then I guess Windows isn't the easiest OS on the planet.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
  
Technically
alaniane@... | 12/17/07
|
 
That's right, Ubuntu is generally easier
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
  
it's a Sony VAIO VGN-N31S by the way
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
  
...
Badgered | 09/26/07
|
  
Ubuntu is very simple to install
dwjunix | 09/26/07
|
   
Vista is easy to install...
socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
|
    
Easy to install is relative
alaniane@... | 12/17/07
|
  
Sometimes...
FatherJ | 12/13/07
|
  
Your Lucky...Vista was smooth Ubunut was a
socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
|
 
Then WINDOWS may NOT be the best choice. (NT)
Update victim | 09/27/07
|
 
Give me a break - easier than Linux
socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
|

Its easy when you're mildly technically minded
ebudae@... | 09/26/07
|
 
Shhh...
nucrash | 09/26/07
|
 
but your mom and sisters......
mad tabby | 09/27/07
|
 
Are these people illerate? Unable to read?
Update victim | 09/27/07
|
  
Are these people illerate
domlanic@... | 12/13/07
|
  
No, they're not illiterate
alaniane@... | 12/17/07
|

You may not have a problem...
mrOSX | 09/26/07
|
 
I can NOT believe this
dwjunix | 09/26/07
|
  
My wife uses a computer
alaniane@... | 12/17/07
|

IT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL EU DOCUMENT!!!!!!!
tombalablomba | 09/26/07
|
 
re: IT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL EU DOCUMENT!!!!!!!
M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
|
  
Stories like this are the reason...
BobF_z | 09/27/07
|

You're insane
marksashton | 09/26/07
|
 
And if these suggestions were put into place...
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
  
Please tell me where you can buy Windows OEM for $50 and please tell me who
georgeou | 09/26/07
|
   
dont know who sells it for $50
richvball44 | 09/27/07
|
  
Say What?
yagijd | 09/27/07
|
 
try ubuntu or osx, markashton
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
  
I personally don't know of anyone ...
socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
|
   
I've had problems with XP
alaniane@... | 12/17/07
|
 
I just went to Costco
dwjunix | 09/26/07
|

You may not see that as a problem
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/26/07
|

RU JOKING?
notsofast | 09/26/07
|

European Anti-American stance because of George W. Bush.
Solid Jedi Knight | 09/26/07
|
 
can you back that up?
richvball44 | 09/27/07
|
 
You are a little late to the market on that BS
rhomp2002@... | 09/27/07
|

Why has Zdnet not canned George Ou?
as901 | 09/27/07
|
 
Honest and unbiased...
rapson | 09/27/07
|
  
Well...
zkiwi | 09/27/07
|
 
Maybe because he's right?
FatherJ | 12/13/07
|
 
blog != journalism (nt)
jmelnik | 12/13/07
|

In what world do you live in?
Apache19 | 09/27/07
|
do you have any clue what you're talking about.....
tombalablomba | 09/26/07
|

SOX applies to all companies, not just targeted at Europe
georgeou | 09/26/07
|
 
"That is a level playing ground for all companies doing business in the US"
deaf_e_kate | 09/26/07
|
  
Read my post again, I said I was against SOX
georgeou | 09/26/07
|
 
Admission of ignorance?
Scrat | 09/26/07
|
 
Fair,
tombalablomba | 09/26/07
|
  
Don't expect George to reply to this one.
nizuse | 09/27/07
|
 
George, you clamming up would be the most productive thing you have done !
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
 
I have been censored several times
Linux User 147560 | 09/26/07
|
 
This court action is targeted against Microsoft, not all of America
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
 
No George
nizuse | 09/27/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
MrJamin | 09/26/07
|

only
richvball44 | 09/27/07
|
EC were not the only one in history to think Microsoft act as a monopoly
s_souche | 09/26/07
|

Microsoft complied with the EC
georgeou | 09/26/07
|
 
Compliance ...
s_souche | 09/26/07
|
  
this blows away George's whole article
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
   
i don't agree
s_souche | 09/26/07
|
  
"Compliance" is easily defined if you have a pre-determined goal
georgeou | 09/26/07
|
   
You're confused
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
    
you are
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
     
And you seem to think
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
     
the key word here must be
xuniL_z | 09/27/07
|
     
It's simple really
zkiwi | 09/27/07
|
     
Huh??
xuniL_z | 09/27/07
|
   
If that were so...
CFKane | 09/27/07
|
 
Please show the world
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
  
Microsoft gave them
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
   
Guess what?
zkiwi | 09/27/07
|
    
It was suppose to be ironic.
xuniL_z | 09/27/07
|
    
I seriously have to say
xuniL_z | 09/29/07
|
     
Andy?
zkiwi | 09/30/07
|
 
A straight answer to back that up
CFKane | 09/26/07
|
 
Nice try but Microsoft has never been operated as an American Company
mighetto | 09/26/07
|
  
Money offshored to Ireland ...
MisterMiester | 09/26/07
|
 
George, why bother. It's over. The requests are subjective
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
 
Revisionist history
MacCanuck | 09/26/07
|
 
hey xinul z
Quebec-french | 09/26/07
|
  
hey qeubec - fernch
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
 
Clarifying.
Anton Philidor | 09/26/07
|
  
It's probably not deliberate
alaniane@... | 12/17/07
|
 
Delusional George is at it again!
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
 
What planet are you on?
Bozzer | 09/26/07
|
 
Microsoft is a master at passive resistance
Resuna | 09/26/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
deaf_e_kate | 09/26/07
|

good post
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
You're missing the point
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|

Don't forget
Roger Ramjet | 09/26/07
|
 
Media Players
andycher | 09/26/07
|
 
The point has been missed.
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
  
Well...
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
   
how about
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
    
How's about
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
     
How's about
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
     
Oh look...
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
    
How about getting some facts straight...
MacCanuck | 09/26/07
|
     
yeah, whatever.
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
     
xuniL_z - "Facts" still wrong and, well... ???
MacCanuck | 09/26/07
|
     
How do I expect....
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
   
re: Well...
M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
|
  
Popularity or Criminal Monopolist?
Roger Ramjet | 09/26/07
|
   
So, what are you saying then?
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
    
Whoa!
Roger Ramjet | 09/26/07
|
     
I agree.
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
    
Bad analogy
rhomp2002@... | 09/27/07
|
  
Your example
alaniane@... | 12/17/07
|
 
re: Don't forget
M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
|
Freedom of choice.....Wouldn't be prudent......
nwoodson@... | 09/26/07
|

re: Freedom of choice.....Wouldn't be prudent......
johnay | 09/26/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
Henrik Moller | 09/26/07
|
Typical George Ou ...
MisterMiester | 09/26/07
|

Ditto and 100%
startx.jeff | 09/26/07
|

Give it a rest...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|
 
No reason to belittle NoAxe...
nizuse | 09/27/07
|
what about Apple?
patibulo | 09/26/07
|

about apple
Quebec-french | 09/26/07
|
 
force them?
Tigertank | 09/26/07
|
  
tiger tank i was responding to the post before mine see
Quebec-french | 09/26/07
|
  
I disagree Tiger.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
   
Keep in mind...
rapson | 09/26/07
|
    
You don't recall history very well.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|

Food for thought
tombalablomba | 09/26/07
|

I think Apple's media sales have come to an end with Amazoin MP3
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
An embarrassing combination of ignorance and prejudice
CFKane | 09/26/07
|

wrong
s_souche | 09/26/07
|
 
Read again
CFKane | 09/26/07
|
 
Commission can impose but the Courts validate.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|

Sorry to burst your bubble
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
 
It's worse than that
CFKane | 09/26/07
|
  
Well...
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
   
What good are page hits
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
    
You're not even coherent
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
    
Ads?
Linux User 147560 | 09/26/07
|
     
That was my point
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|

I am quite sure....
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
 
Please get it thru your head...
MacCanuck | 09/26/07
|
  
Oh please MacCannuck
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|

L2Read
FatherJ | 12/13/07
|
Smoking dope ...
doug@... | 09/26/07
|

Here, Here
nwoodson@... | 09/26/07
|
I generally agree
TripleII | 09/26/07
|
Read the PDF first ...
MisterMiester | 09/26/07
|

price.
s_souche | 09/26/07
|
 
Obviously you didn't read the PDF ...
MisterMiester | 09/26/07
|
  
lol
Badgered | 09/26/07
|
  
well....
Badgered | 09/26/07
|
   
Not really ...
MisterMiester | 09/26/07
|
    
Re: Not really ...
s_souche | 09/26/07
|
  
I do read
s_souche | 09/26/07
|
 
It would actually cost less
TripleII | 09/26/07
|
  
Even better than that
MisterMiester | 09/26/07
|
  
It could cause a problem
j.m.galvin | 09/26/07
|
   
My Ideastorm idea
TripleII | 09/26/07
|
    
Just like DOS diagnostics ...
MisterMiester | 09/26/07
|
  
costs
s_souche | 09/26/07
|

It has another huge perk
TripleII | 09/26/07
|
 
Well ...
MisterMiester | 09/26/07
|
  
Some vendors complained
TripleII | 09/26/07
|
   
Yes, ZDNet censors these replies.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
    
As it has every right to
rapson | 09/26/07
|
     
Then perhaps they should inform their readers?
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
     
nomoremicrosoft: they do
rapson | 09/26/07
|
     
It's a public forum of communication...
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/07
|
     
Linux User: No it's not
rapson | 09/27/07
|
    
re: Yes, ZDNet censors these replies.
M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
|
     
Man you dreaming or what - dude this is planet
socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
|
    
Oh yes they do...
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/07
|
     
And what was in there...may language..
socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
|
The EC is a regulatory agency.
Anton Philidor | 09/26/07
|

Utter nonsense Anton
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
 
Utter nonsense
M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
|
 
Yes, the politicians gave the EC power...
Anton Philidor | 09/26/07
|
The preferred method for fixing monopoly abuse
dfolk | 09/26/07
|
George Ou...just another Microsoft Shill.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|

Message has been deleted.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|
 
Hey NoAxe - what's up?
nizuse | 09/27/07
|
Waving the flag doesn't excuse nonsense
Golodh2 | 09/26/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
lewcock@... | 09/26/07
|
The EC has lost its mind!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|

When competition is considered good in itself.
Anton Philidor | 09/26/07
|
 
No confiscation of IP. Only requirement to document protocols.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
  
Bzzzzt wrong, they stole the IP
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|
   
How about some more detail?
zkiwi | 09/27/07
|
 
Sorry Anton, Your rant is off subject.
Update victim | 09/27/07
|

No, you can buy SOME without an OS
TripleII | 09/26/07
|
 
Fixed link
TripleII | 09/26/07
|
  
re: Fixed link
M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
|
   
Original link has been disabled due to network traffic load.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
 
Then you complaint is with that specific OEM
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|
  
Now be serious
TripleII | 09/26/07
|

On the lost mind concept
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
 
re: On the lost mind concept
M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
|
  
Well...
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
 
Of course I know the think tank was asked to
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|
  
You do?
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
   
Well.
xuniL_z | 09/27/07
|
    
Seeing as you still haven't noticed
zkiwi | 09/27/07
|
     
Oh
xuniL_z | 09/27/07
|
     
for what it matters, mainly
xuniL_z | 09/27/07
|

reading 101
tombalablomba | 09/26/07
|

Do you purport that the PDF is from the EC?
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
 
Of course not, the think tank is a puppet
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|

Show me!!
Bozzer | 09/26/07
|
 
YOur limitations do NOT mean everyone is so limited.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|
  
Answer the question.
Bozzer | 09/27/07
|
  
Chill out NoAxe...
nizuse | 09/27/07
|

It sounds NoAxe is angry.
nizuse | 09/27/07
|
Should this move ever be tried the ramifications
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|

I agree
TripleII | 09/26/07
|
 
If there were a demand for them
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|
  
No, its the enforced tax
TripleII | 09/26/07
|

or what you gonna throw a tamtrum wee man
Quebec-french | 09/26/07
|
 
I got your wee man, right in your
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|
  
NoAxe - stop insulting other people
nizuse | 09/27/07
|

Apparently they do want to go there
magcomment | 09/26/07
|

Oh, heavens forbid ...
MisterMiester | 09/26/07
|

Except that complainants against MS are also American
j.m.galvin | 09/26/07
|
 
Complaints and anti-trust I agree with
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|

Doesn't involve oil so...
voska | 09/26/07
|

Why would the US care?
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
 
Particularly since the US government cares about taxes.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
  
all Microsoft IP has apparently been moved to Ireland in any case
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
   
My point exactly. Microsoft does not contribute to the US.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
   
Well that's good for the EU ...
MisterMiester | 09/26/07
|
    
Hmmm...
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
     
it was sixteen billion dollars, Dougal, you CAN'T have spent it all..
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
 
Precedence.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
|
  
Again ....
nizuse | 09/27/07
|

Oooh.
Bozzer | 09/26/07
|

EU GDP is larger than the USA
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
gimpgrok@... | 09/26/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
martin23 | 09/26/07
|
Sometimes the EU just makes me laugh
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/26/07
|

You haven't read the article properly
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|
 
Ok, the "Focus Group" makes me laugh
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/26/07
|
French court says non to pre-loaded Windows on Acer laptop
D. T. Schmitz | 09/26/07
|

Dang...
TripleII | 09/26/07
|

Viva La Francais!!!
MisterMiester | 09/26/07
|

You mischaracterise the ruling
shis-ka-bob | 09/26/07
|
 
Jingoism? Doesn't fit
D. T. Schmitz | 09/26/07
|

That would be Georges
georgeou | 09/26/07
|
How do I complain about you.
Bozzer | 09/26/07
|
GeourgeOu
mtgarden | 09/26/07
|

Thanks, good post. nt
georgeou | 09/26/07
|

Some corrections
GW Mahoney | 09/26/07
|
 
Maybe I wasn't entirely clear
mtgarden | 09/27/07
|
 
Oh, and
mtgarden | 09/27/07
|
 
"Real World"
FatherJ | 12/13/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
wrcflier@... | 09/26/07
|
This idea has merit, but it would be silly to force the users to install
GW Mahoney | 09/26/07
|
the point is that george says microsoft complied
stevey_d | 09/26/07
|

Yeah, Microsoft is that despicable.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
 
Now that is kind of freaky...
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
goldenpirate@... | 09/26/07
|

Goldenpirate - I am glad you are disgusted with the comments posted.
nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
|
 
You should be disgusted with the blog writer
goldenpirate@... | 09/28/07
|

One thing...
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
 
A few things.
xuniL_z | 09/26/07
|
  
Oh look...
zkiwi | 09/26/07
|
   
how's about
xuniL_z | 09/27/07
|
    
You obviously got your RDF on the cheap
zkiwi | 09/27/07
|
     
Yep. It's actually free. You'd not know of it, but it's called.....
xuniL_z | 09/27/07
|
     
Keep on telling yourself that
zkiwi | 09/27/07
|
     
You mean to say the point of this is to...
xuniL_z | 09/27/07
|
People will get real choice if a new law would be in place: ...
Vily Clay | 09/26/07
|

Re:
jnoooo | 09/27/07
|
 
Why didn't you read my entire post? I wrote a solution to your concern (NT)
Vily Clay | 09/28/07
|
SPIN: Big difference between a fine and a tariff.
jjarman | 09/26/07
|
Interop/Samba: Insanity and the standards process
D. T. Schmitz | 09/26/07
|
Are most of the ZDNET posters European?
tonymcs@... | 09/26/07
|

Perhaps...
rapson | 09/27/07
|
All this is doing is forcing people to request Microsoft
nucrash | 09/26/07
|

That's something we'd like to see
TripleII | 09/27/07
|
 
Real Choice is Better ...
MisterMiester | 09/28/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
aldisp@... | 09/27/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
as901 | 09/27/07
|
@ George
shis-ka-bob | 09/27/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
AJ-Ubuntu-User | 09/27/07
|
Well, maybe it'd force OEMs to provide restore DVDs again...
Mitch 74 | 09/27/07
|

Great comment
AJ-Ubuntu-User | 09/27/07
|

Re: Well, maybe it'd force OEMs to provide restore DVDs again...
none none | 09/27/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
navstar@... | 09/27/07
|
Ban OS PRE-INSTALLATIONS
Update victim | 09/27/07
|
Re:
jnoooo | 09/27/07
|

Really?
zkiwi | 09/27/07
|
 
Did you realize
xuniL_z | 09/28/07
|
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
pavka@... | 09/27/07
|
Free market?
pavka@... | 09/27/07
|
I seriously did not..
xuniL_z | 09/27/07
|

oops, not intended as reply to story. sorry
xuniL_z | 09/27/07
|
Windows Vista Home cost $199??
none none | 09/27/07
|

The vendor can't bundle the OS and have it already installed
georgeou | 09/27/07
|
 
Re: The vendor can't bundle the OS and have it already installed
none none | 09/27/07
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George: Why take the bait?
reshin | 09/27/07
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Hits, Hits, Hits
nizuse | 09/27/07
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Yeah you're right
georgeou | 09/28/07
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Perspective
ben.rattigan | 09/28/07
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It is pendulum
kvo | 09/28/07
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Not a tariff - it is all about competition
tony@... | 09/28/07
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EU laws are joke...
socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
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I'm disappointed...
slamspam | 09/28/07
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The US 'knee-jerk' reaction...
yid_witch@... | 09/28/07
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funnily
xuniL_z | 09/28/07
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If the rest of the world would get a grip
socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
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The real question
THEE WOLF | 09/29/07
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read this US court ruling particularily findings of fact 64 to 66
stevey_d | 10/01/07
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Where's my other choice, George???
laura.b | 10/02/07
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Apple will never play that game...
socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
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ranting MS-lover implying that installing windows is too difficult for
wessonjoe | 10/29/07
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The EU has to figure out a way to get...
socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
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Ignoring the Euro-trash responding here...
socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
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RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
motorhead1979@... | 12/13/07
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Exellent idea !!!
WhiteSand | 12/13/07
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come on George!
brahmadomtao@... | 12/14/07
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RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
Aleks58 | 12/14/07
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Tarfiff? Anti-american?
JDThompson | 12/14/07
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RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO
kvo | 12/14/07
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