Excellent explananation!
kd5auq | 11/06/07
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What! Marketing? Expectations? No, never
georgeou | 11/06/07
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Page Downloading Issues
psomerset@... | 11/07/07
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The legality of Comcast's chosen method is questionable
Letophoro | 11/06/07
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Every Comcast customer I've talked to contracts your experience
georgeou | 11/06/07
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Don't get bent out of shape.
Letophoro | 11/06/07
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Forging packets is done all the time for network management
georgeou | 11/06/07
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I know this bunch
nucrash | 11/07/07
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List some examples if you don't mind.
Letophoro | 11/07/07
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What do you mean NAT doesn't count?
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Why NAT doesn't count.
Letophoro | 11/07/07
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Actually, NAT can change the origin and destination
georgeou | 11/07/07
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NAT does not forge packets. Now cite your examples and stop dissembling.
Letophoro | 11/07/07
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RE: NAT does not forge packets.
gdstark13 | 11/09/07
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Re: gdstark13
Letophoro | 11/09/07
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pretty much
merc2dogs` | 11/15/07
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re; Every Comcast customer I've talked to contracts
notsofast | 11/07/07
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The legality of the torrent traffic is questionable
Bozzer | 11/07/07
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Not relevant.
Letophoro | 11/07/07
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Ha. Boy. You have one dimensional thinking.
Cayble | 11/07/07
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Don't kid yourself
bmerc | 11/08/07
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Say What?
rgetsla | 11/18/07
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Bull...
jasonp@... | 11/06/07
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A better analogy
nucrash | 11/06/07
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Limits...
jasonp@... | 11/06/07
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No network guarantees everyone can go full throttle
georgeou | 11/06/07
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How about a little intellectual honesty...
jasonp@... | 11/07/07
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If you live in the Southeast or California, you don't have to imagine these
D. W. Bierbaum | 11/07/07
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Network Address Translation forges packets too
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Why cant we keep up with growth?
otaddy | 11/07/07
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That may be...
PghNative | 11/12/07
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What can Comcast Guarantee
jimsum71 | 11/07/07
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NAT translates, rather than forges.
D. W. Bierbaum | 11/09/07
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Lame
PghNative | 11/12/07
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Crime?
Bozzer | 11/07/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
mrOSX | 11/06/07
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Not always
nucrash | 11/06/07
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Cable Networks...
mrOSX | 11/07/07
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Re: Cable Networks
acwhite86@... | 11/07/07
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Pipes
cywelchjr | 11/07/07
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Kick the illegals off using p2p
Bozzer | 11/07/07
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You're an idiot. [NT]
bmerc | 11/08/07
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Comcast is not the Cops
PghNative | 11/12/07
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Nice article, but still doesn't tell the whole story
NetArch. | 11/06/07
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Sorry - munged the url
NetArch. | 11/06/07
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What you're asking for requires that Comcast tears everything down and re
georgeou | 11/06/07
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A bit testy, aren't we?
NetArch. | 11/07/07
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You haven't provided an alternative
georgeou | 11/07/07
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OK- Here's an alternative...
djdawson | 11/07/07
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Richard Bennett is not a Comcast engineer
georgeou | 11/07/07
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My bad
djdawson | 11/08/07
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Confused about the facts
richardbennett | 11/07/07
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I was only confused about one thing
djdawson | 11/08/07
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To Dana
richardbennett | 11/09/07
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The main problem is...
Kjell_Andorsen | 11/07/07
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AT&T promises up to 1.5 mbps and delivers 0.3 mbps
georgeou | 11/07/07
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re: AT&T promises up to 1.5 mbps and delivers 0.3 mbps
notsofast | 11/07/07
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Phone networks don't have to deal with BitTorrent
georgeou | 11/08/07
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"Up to" is no protection
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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DSL vs Cable
notsofast | 11/07/07
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Say what?
rgetsla | 11/18/07
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Begs the question....
civikminded | 11/06/07
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Cable was never built as a 2-way many-to-many communication network
georgeou | 11/06/07
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Fibre Costs
civikminded | 11/07/07
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You have to buy new equipment
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Fibre costs, and the customer gets screwed
bfilipiak@... | 11/07/07
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Hmm
civikminded | 11/07/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
carot@... | 11/06/07
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It's not as bad as AT&T's "dedicated" 0.3 mbps DSL service
georgeou | 11/06/07
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Ehr
Kjell_Andorsen | 11/07/07
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We're not debating whether Comcast is poor or not, is it ILLEGAL?
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Legality and ethics
Kjell_Andorsen | 11/07/07
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Read the fine print
tonymcs@... | 11/06/07
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You should go read the fine print
georgeou | 11/06/07
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I'm sorry George, you really don't understand.
tonymcs@... | 11/07/07
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Give over.
Bozzer | 11/07/07
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Wow you REALLY are an idiot...
bmerc | 11/08/07
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No, ISPs advertise PEAK speeds, not capacity
georgeou | 11/08/07
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Where did you get your data?
rgetsla | 11/19/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
RKG | 11/06/07
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That may or may not be related
georgeou | 11/06/07
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But why do we care?
AySz88 | 11/07/07
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If they implemented new modems than can dynamically throttle the number of
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Cost doesn't excuse Comcast from fixing it
AySz88 | 11/07/07
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Again, is not a pretty solution but who gets to define it as a "problem"
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Only those in the know...
AySz88 | 11/08/07
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Its all a matter of contract
s_souche | 11/07/07
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Every ISP has fine print provisions
georgeou | 11/07/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
marbo100 | 11/07/07
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Transparency is always a good thing
georgeou | 11/07/07
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George, you don't offer the best solution
bill@... | 11/07/07
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Wonderful thought, that...
acwhite86@... | 11/07/07
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It's not a question of copper or fiber, it's a question of large broadcast
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Comcast is blocking Google in my case
colson@... | 11/07/07
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Your not alone
shoktai@... | 11/07/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
conchchowder | 11/07/07
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All this discussion...
stevets32 | 11/07/07
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People need to consider your thoughts
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Rational debate? Good luck with that...
D. W. Bierbaum | 11/07/07
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BitTorrent is often the cause of high ping times
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Ahem... Miscommunication. Let me clarify.
D. W. Bierbaum | 11/09/07
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Thank you...
craig-wilson@... | 11/07/07
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If I was Comcast, I'd block Skype & Vonage VOIP calls
WiredGuy | 11/07/07
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They've tested that in the past
NetArch. | 11/07/07
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What Comcast is doing benefits VoIP and Gaming
georgeou | 11/07/07
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I'm not a lawyer, but are you sure about that?
WiredGuy | 11/07/07
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You can't make that comparison at all
georgeou | 11/08/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
jimmlegs | 11/07/07
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Bad tech support
shoktai@... | 11/07/07
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What Comcast does is benneficial to Skype, VoIP, and gaming
georgeou | 11/07/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
cj100570@... | 11/07/07
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Sure
cywelchjr | 11/07/07
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Then that is what they should do
dragosani | 11/07/07
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I find it ironic that you and Free Press are asking for draconian solutions
georgeou | 11/07/07
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I swing and a miss
dragosani | 11/07/07
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Let me spell it out
dragosani | 11/07/07
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So spam, DoS attacks, abusive traffic should be treated equally?
georgeou | 11/07/07
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I don't disagree
dragosani | 11/07/07
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Oh but you're asking for minority mob rule
georgeou | 11/08/07
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Who is the mob?
dragosani | 11/08/07
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Oh, come on!
NetArch. | 11/07/07
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People who call others idiots should at least learn how to spell
georgeou | 11/07/07
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People who whine about spelling should learn the difference...
bmerc | 11/08/07
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This is the problem...
jdriddle | 11/07/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
leeepson7800 | 11/07/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
bharris0@... | 11/07/07
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And 100 lane freeways would be nice too
georgeou | 11/07/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
ratsaurus@... | 11/07/07
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Comcast Service
Lfraz | 11/07/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
hiraghm@... | 11/07/07
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Have you ever read your contract and the TOS?
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Comcast's Advertising Is The Issue...
g-man_863 | 11/07/07
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It's not as bad as some DSL providers
georgeou | 11/07/07
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...the most irrational rational debate ever!
wmlundine | 11/07/07
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LOL! I'll call your marxism, and raise you one...
D. W. Bierbaum | 11/09/07
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NAT...
wmlundine | 11/16/07
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What's so terrible about charging by usage?
heliomphalodon | 11/07/07
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So do you want a metered Internet where you pay 10 cents per megabyte trans
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Flat rate is fine...
heliomphalodon | 11/07/07
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BitTorrent users would rather be throttled, not charged hundreds of dollars
georgeou | 11/08/07
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Just let us know about the throttling beforehand.
D. W. Bierbaum | 11/09/07
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Your theory doesn't make a whole lot of sense
georgeou | 11/10/07
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I call shenannigans on your straw man argument
Knorthern Knight | 12/04/07
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I think some of your technology...
bjbrock | 11/07/07
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I don't think you understood the issues
georgeou | 11/07/07
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The shared medium is not having...
bjbrock | 11/07/07
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Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about
georgeou | 11/07/07
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I do to. Check out the ranging ID.
bjbrock | 11/07/07
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Further reading
bjbrock | 11/07/07
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RE:Further reading
vividvew | 11/07/07
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You obviously didn't read...
bjbrock | 11/07/07
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That's right
richardbennett | 11/08/07
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Thanks for the clarification - and a question
NetArch. | 11/08/07
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bjbrock is confused
richardbennett | 11/08/07
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Collisions occurr when everyone...
bjbrock | 11/07/07
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re:Collisions occurr when everyone...
vividvew | 11/07/07
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Show your ignorance.
bjbrock | 11/07/07
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Actually, he made a lot of sense. You don't
georgeou | 11/08/07
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I'll send you the link from Netgear...
bjbrock | 11/08/07
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Sessions on router
bjbrock | 11/08/07
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Routers don't normally host TCP sessions, they route traffic, not terminate
georgeou | 11/08/07
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Missed issues
twriter | 11/07/07
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Again, this is not Comcast's explanation
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Nice example of argumentum ad verecundiam
bmerc | 11/08/07
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Thanks for the compliment
richardbennett | 11/09/07
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Control the data, control how people (don't) think.
Mr. Roboto | 11/07/07
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Maybe Comcast Should Make TV Traffic Even More Of A Priority
godhner | 11/07/07
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That's got nothing to do with this
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Comcast's spectrum allocation policies are involved
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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If there are too many cars they don't limit cars, they enlarge the highway.
DrFred | 11/07/07
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Everyone could use more transparency
georgeou | 11/07/07
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Govt does poor job of increasing road capacity
otaddy | 11/07/07
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Enlarge the highway? Hardly!
heliomphalodon | 11/07/07
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Nice straw man argument there, dude!
bmerc | 11/08/07
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Please interpret it for me...
heliomphalodon | 11/08/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
erniem1970@... | 11/07/07
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George the following quote is completely WRONG!
notsofast | 11/07/07
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Problem with EvDO too
otaddy | 11/07/07
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good article!!
vividvew | 11/07/07
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Thanks, one note though
georgeou | 11/08/07
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Rational. Has George gone gunny sack?
D. T. Schmitz | 11/07/07
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Another reason not to use BitTorrent
hexstar@... | 11/07/07
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Comcast should tell its customers the truth
jruhnke@... | 11/08/07
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If you look at the "web hog" video, it's very embarrassing
georgeou | 11/08/07
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Being on Both Sides of the Fence
nucrash | 11/08/07
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Rational?
cameron_hopkin@... | 11/08/07
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Bennett may know a thing or two about networks...
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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Vint Cerf won't debate Net Neutrality and he has not been up front
georgeou | 11/08/07
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QoS does not rely on source IP
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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NAT does not create packets out of thin air
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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You sure about that? See this.
georgeou | 11/08/07
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There is a difference between modifying and creating packets
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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Again, they are TRANSLATING rather than altering.
D. W. Bierbaum | 11/09/07
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No it isn't
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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So are you suggesting a 2 trillion dollar fine and an immediate enjoinment?
georgeou | 11/08/07
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If Seagate can be forced to refund, so can Comcast
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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Seagate is refunding $5 if you fill out a long form
georgeou | 11/09/07
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Don't put words in my mouth
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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Sorry about breaking threading
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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You'd probably be screaming louder if BT was actually blocked
georgeou | 11/08/07
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I don't use BitTorrent.
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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There are multiple forms of Network Neutrality
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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Does spam and DDoS traffic deserve equal protection?
georgeou | 11/08/07
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Comcast throttles BT no matter how much bandwidth you use
fazalmajid | 11/08/07
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A BT Seeder is a Server
richardbennett | 11/09/07
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A seeder is a file server by definition
georgeou | 11/09/07
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Ruin what for everyone?
D. W. Bierbaum | 11/09/07
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Again, read your contract with Comcast
georgeou | 11/10/07
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Transparency is what's missing
mlevison | 11/09/07
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To use rationally, think of the rational user
tBuggR | 11/09/07
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To Richard
djdawson | 11/09/07
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In a way, it does...
g-man_863 | 11/10/07
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Restraint of trade, too...
g-man_863 | 11/10/07
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I don't care much for hearsay
georgeou | 11/10/07
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good point
vividvew | 11/10/07
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Should we regulate Comcast like other public utilities?
jaybyrd | 11/20/07
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
Lightning Joe | 01/23/08
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2 cable network misconceptions
rlshorter | 01/28/08
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oops -correcting one of my own misconceptions
rlshorter | 01/28/08
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RE: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management
ujhrdngjk | 08/17/09
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