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November 26th, 2007

The $363 19-inch dual-core all-in-one LCD PC

Posted by George Ou @ 4:36 pm

Categories: Build it yourself, Consumer electronics, Desktop, Energy efficiency - green, Fun Stuff, Hardware, Mobile/Wireless, Processors, Vista

Tags: Keyboard, Hard Drive, Dual-core, Mouse, PC, Price Tag, Photograph, LCD, Computer, Shocker

Update 11/29/2007 - See updated AIO computer images

This is the new all-in-one Intel dual-core 2.0 GHz E2180 19″ LCD PC computer I built for the family. The shocker is that I did it for less than $363 in parts (not including keyboard and mouse). The 19″ LCD (1440×900 resolution) was on sale for $140 and the dual-core Intel CPU/Motherboard/graphics was on sale at Fry’s for an eye-popping $88 and I just couldn’t resist the temptation to build a nice all-in-one for the kitchen/dining area. I got a 300 GB hard drive for $50 and 1 GB of RAM for $30 (with an additional $20 rebate) and I used a $50 energy efficient “80 plus” 220 watt 1U power supply. For the chassis I used some scrap wood I had left over and spent 4 hours on a Sunday afternoon building this computer. [See image gallery.]

I haven’t made the top lid or bottom lid for this computer yet but this picture shows the full thickness of the computer bolted on to the back of the 19″ LCD display. The entire computer excluding the 19″ display consumes 40 watts in idle and 65 watts peak (WPrime with 2 threads).  The 19″ LCD consumes 22 watts when it’s operating at full resolution regardless of the image being displayed.  If the system is overclocked to 2.66 GHz, then the peak wattage goes up to 100 watts which is still well within safety margins.  Note that this particular motherboard that came free with the CPU isn’t a stable overclocker so I don’t recommend overclocking on this system with this motherboard. For testing purposes, I loaded Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit edition and it booted up in less than 35 seconds (10 seconds due to BIOS post).

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With the top and bottom are sealed off (with some holes for venting heat), I wanted to make sure the CPU fan had a fresh supply of cool air so I cut out a hole in the back. I didn’t have one of those circular cutters handy so I had to freehand the hole with a jigsaw so I still need to sand it in to something smoother. I also didn’t want to make the chassis an extra inch thicker to accommodate the retail box fan that came with the CPU. To minimize cable clutter, I used 1 foot long power cords plugged in to a power strip. That strip also comes in handy for plugging in lots of other things.

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Unlike the VESA stand PC I built a few months ago, this computer uses the monitor’s factory stand which allows me the full range in tilt motion. Here in the photo you see that it’s tilted all the way back and it’s in no danger or tipping over.

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For the photo gallery, I used the Microsoft Wireless Entertainment Desktop keyboard and mouse. Not shown is a tiny USB Bluetooth dongle in the back that connects the keyboard and mouse.

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This photo shows the inside of the system with the back, top, bottom covers off. The hard drive is bolted on to the side but I will need to put some rubber washers on to minimize hard drive noise. Wood has a nasty habit of amplifying sound which is great for musical instruments but not so good for computers so I’ll need to spray the inner walls with insulation foam to minimize noise. I’ll probably look in to plastic materials in the future.

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This is the back of the computer with the components exposed. As you can see, the box is not much bigger than the Micro ATX motherboard. The hard drive had to overlap the motherboard a little so that the entire box can be narrower than the 17″ wide 19″ diagonal LCD display. The LCD has a DVI input but the motherboard only had VGA out so a VGA cable was used. Wired Ethernet was used but I have enough room to plug in a PCI wireless LAN adapter using a 90 degrees PCI adapter.  [Update 11:55PM - I'm probably going to go for a cheap 802.11g USB adapter since that saves me the trouble of using a PCI angle adapter.  The fact that I can mount it on top means it will probably get better radio reception.]

This is the full profile view of my new all-in-one computer. Note that I made a mistake of not turning the bad side of the wood in so you can see some flaws in the wood. It’s not too late for me to unscrew it and turn it around though.

So the bottom line is that while it isn’t pretty from the side or the back, you won’t ever notice it from the front and it doesn’t take any more space than the LCD display would occupy by itself. The price tag is $1000 cheaper than commercial all-in-one computers from Apple, Gateway, and now Dell. Sure you can get a laptop but laptops don’t have 19″ displays and they can’t safely clock to 2.66 GHz like this one. Having a full size keyboard and a real mouse makes this computer as powerful as a desktop yet it’s portable.

[Update 11:59PM] - Instructions for making your own box
If you want to make your own box, you just need to cut 6 pieces of board.  The dimensions for front and back plate are 17″ by 8.75″.  Side plates are 8.75″ by 2.5″.  Top and bottom are 17″ by 3″ (thickness of front and back added 0.5″).  The top 2 VESA holes are 2.75″ from the top (not including thickness of top plate).  The four VESA mounting holes are centered on the box and measure 100mm apart.

The box needs to be mounted to the LCD before the motherboard is installed.  To figure out where to mount the motherboard, place the motherboard and power supply on the wood and mark where the mounting holes will be with a pencil.

My colleague Justin James suggested that I go to the auto supply store and buy some rubber underbody coating (spray or roll on) for spraying on the internal walls to dampen the noise.  That should also pad the contact between the hard drive and the side wall so that the hard drive noise isn’t amplified by the wooden box.

[Update 11/27/2007] - A number of people in the talkback want to know about the RF interference characteristics and whether I will paint the box black or not.  On the RF interference issue, all motherboards and electronic components are already FCC certified to be within limits of how much RF noise can be leaked and I haven’t had any RF interference issues running my over-the-air HDTV tuner in my home or radio close by to this computer.  As for painting the box black, yes that is what I intend to do so that it will blend in with the LCD.

Update 11/29/2007 - See updated AIO computer images

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That computer is about 8x slower than this one and it costs just as much. That doesn't seem like a great deal for me personally.... (Read the rest)
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Hot Tomale!  jparrott@... | 11/26/07
Did you read the power consumption on this?  georgeou | 11/26/07
Hey George...  Information_z | 12/03/07
all-in-one justification?  vladimirP | 12/08/07
$10 for 1 GB RAM?  Someguy2 | 12/05/07
Not bad for a browsing PC  nucrash | 11/26/07
It's not a LAN party computer  georgeou | 11/26/07
8800GT???  nucrash | 11/26/07
read much?  zupobaloop | 11/27/07
Actually, I said an 8800GT would handle TF2 well  georgeou | 11/27/07
8600GTS Performs poorly?  nucrash | 11/27/07
I don't look at AVERAGE FPS, I look at MINIMUM FPS  georgeou | 11/27/07
It's also great for watching DVD and HDV footage  georgeou | 11/26/07
Where's the optical drive?  shutrbug | 11/26/07
No need for optical drive when you pull everything off network  georgeou | 11/26/07
Actually, this dual-core CPU and motherboard is only $20 more  georgeou | 11/26/07
Fry's had an AMD BE-2300 with ECS Nforce6-M motherboard for $59 on BF  shutrbug | 11/26/07
Yeah I missed that deal  georgeou | 11/26/07
Do you think the major manufactures  GuidingLight | 11/27/07
I don't know, but the whitebox makers need to jump on board  georgeou | 11/27/07
ECS is NFG  pete_w_flynn@... | 11/27/07
I've had plenty of ECS motherboards and they actually work for me  georgeou | 11/27/07
optical...  Clewin | 11/27/07
Nice piece of work George!  D-T-Schmitz | 11/26/07
Thanks. I'll probably be loading Ubuntu on this for some comparisons on pe  georgeou | 11/26/07
linux  agre12000@... | 11/27/07
I secound that!! It was the only distro that realy  JustAnAboveAverageJoe | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  groovepoint@... | 11/26/07
Actually I do make some clothing with a sewing machine and serger  georgeou | 11/26/07
You make cloths too!?!  Laff | 11/27/07
Go back to your world ....  ShadeTree | 11/27/07
OUCH! My feeling.....  James Quinn | 11/27/07
Hobbies? Fun Factor?  big red one | 11/27/07
Wow, if every body in this world were like you  JustAnAboveAverageJoe | 11/27/07
What does my question have to do with Apple or Jobs?  James Quinn | 11/27/07
Actually, costumes. You have no ideal what I do in my free time  georgeou | 11/27/07
Better way too spend your time? Performing or building PC's ?  James Quinn | 11/27/07
Building the PC is my free time, writing the article is my pay time  georgeou | 11/27/07
Well I would agree that almost anything is better than  Laff | 11/28/07
That's depressing dude.  xuniL_z | 11/27/07
Am I slamming? I think not..... actually I'm trying to understand.  Laff | 11/28/07
Facts is facts....it is what it is and  Laff | 11/28/07
Well that seems quite odd  xuniL_z | 11/27/07
Valuable? Actually I don't see a lot of value in my or  Laff | 11/28/07
Only the talentless mock.  osreinstall | 11/27/07
If he wanted to go for a different look . . .  JLHenry | 11/27/07
That will work too.  osreinstall | 11/27/07
I was actually thinking . . .  JLHenry | 11/27/07
You will always have a two tone.  osreinstall | 11/27/07
I know where this is a cache  xuniL_z | 11/27/07
Slimlines would be some work.  osreinstall | 11/28/07
My Wife . .  JLHenry | 11/28/07
There are all sorts of possibilities.  osreinstall | 11/28/07
More of a question of time and will than money at $362  georgeou | 11/27/07
Maybe I overlooked it, but . . .  JLHenry | 11/27/07
I'm going to mount a couple of USB plugs on top  georgeou | 11/27/07
Sounds sweet! You gonna . . .  JLHenry | 11/28/07
Yes there will be updated photos  georgeou | 11/28/07
Sheet Metal an option, too  GuidingLight | 11/27/07
Your tool rig is neat but can be bought  osreinstall | 11/27/07
I haven't learned how to work with metal yet  georgeou | 11/27/07
I have part of a sheet  nucrash | 11/27/07
Mica is not cheap.  osreinstall | 11/27/07
You hit the nail  georgeou | 11/27/07
I like your idea better.  osreinstall | 11/28/07
No, I mean one that is designed to be small enough to bolt on  georgeou | 11/28/07
Oh, yes that would be nice.  osreinstall | 11/28/07
Oh I was already planning to do that  georgeou | 11/28/07
Power supplies should come with a power aux.  osreinstall | 11/29/07
yo groove  pcguy777 | 11/27/07
Feeling of satisfaction  jrbales@... | 11/27/07
darn right!  zupobaloop | 11/27/07
How do you mount the front panel LEDs and switches?  shutrbug | 11/26/07
I have to look for those parts. It would be nice to have an all-in-one pan  georgeou | 11/26/07
This would do it  shutrbug | 11/26/07
George, how about this for $16 with free shipping?  shutrbug | 11/26/07
Yeah that would probably work. Just cut out a small hole on the side.  georgeou | 11/26/07
Here are some ATX switches from Directron  shutrbug | 11/26/07
I got one of those from Fry's for $3  georgeou | 11/26/07
those are just  merc2dogs` | 11/27/07
Good idea...  burtoni | 11/27/07
The Company Formerly Known As Radio Shack...  burtoni | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  Soonlar | 11/26/07
When you start G-OU Budget Computers I'll Buy One  BanjoPaterson | 11/27/07
You can buy one, but you just have to do a little work cutting and assembli  georgeou | 11/27/07
Paint it black  NoPumpGas | 11/27/07
I'll second that!  jrbales@... | 11/27/07
Yeah, I am planning to paint this thing black to match the monitor  georgeou | 11/27/07
Very nice, George  Chad_z | 11/27/07
Actually.....  kerry.farina@... | 11/27/07
Since Geotge is building a system ....  ShadeTree | 11/27/07
My mistake: OS is only 35% of total cost  Chad_z | 11/27/07
Having trouble reading?  ShadeTree | 11/27/07
Of course the downside  Michael Kelly | 11/28/07
Oh, please, quit with the nonesense, already  GuidingLight | 11/27/07
The Oncoming Train  Brownshoe Sailor | 11/27/07
Oh, look. Another one  GuidingLight | 11/27/07
No Zealot I  Brownshoe Sailor | 11/27/07
Agreed  AbbydonKrafts | 11/27/07
I was curious  TripleII | 11/27/07
I agree, But you have no idea what Windows costs?  GuidingLight | 11/27/07
As a Linux User . . .  JLHenry | 11/27/07
Vista Home Premium OEM system builder cost is about $110  georgeou | 11/27/07
Does the price include the OS?  bmeacham98@... | 11/27/07
No, you'd need another $110 for Vista Home Premium  georgeou | 11/27/07
A wooden PC?  jpr75_z | 11/27/07
Refurb Dell?  MWPollard | 11/27/07
stained glass too!  Jack-Booted EULA | 11/27/07
Now THAT is an alt PC!!!  meryllogue@... | 11/27/07
Hey.. That one looks familiar..  Wolfie2K3 | 11/27/07
Sweet!  AbbydonKrafts | 11/27/07
Refurbed dual-core Dells are $400 with no display  georgeou | 11/27/07
jpr75 and the other nay sayers  zupobaloop | 11/27/07
Wooden PC  LadyGray | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  Loverock Davidson | 11/27/07
Have not had any interference problems.  georgeou | 11/27/07
way to go handy man!  Linux Geek | 11/27/07
This could be a cool MythTV box  shutrbug | 11/27/07
Yup, will be putting in a tuner on this to use it as an HDTV in the kitchen  georgeou | 11/27/07
Are you serious?? And, if you are...  DelbertPGH | 11/28/07
There are $30 to $100 ATSC USB dongles  georgeou | 11/28/07
The 363 PC  Rick_R | 11/27/07
Your choice and not necessary  MWPollard | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  jackie40d@... | 11/27/07
I already have a powerful desktop but this is for the kitchen  georgeou | 11/27/07
Did you ever think of submitting this to Gruntville.com?  nucrash | 11/27/07
I'll check it out  georgeou | 11/27/07
The all-in-one is great! - however . . . .  newwestd | 11/27/07
Don't have any RF problems now.  georgeou | 11/27/07
EM Noise  rkralston@... | 11/27/07
Line the inside with aluminum foil...  burtoni | 11/27/07
Foil  LadyGray | 11/27/07
The Alieums r comin' Ethel!!! happy (nt)  JLHenry | 11/27/07
But George will have to paint the box  iangs | 11/27/07
It will be painted black to match the LCD  georgeou | 11/27/07
RE:Do you think the major manufactures  bmore_bro69@... | 11/27/07
I don't think they're scared  georgeou | 11/27/07
What about RF interference?  DelbertPGH | 11/27/07
Plastic cases?  MWPollard | 11/27/07
Conductive paint...  57ford | 11/29/07
not likely  pete_w_flynn@... | 11/27/07
It doesn't even cause RF problems within 1" of this thing  georgeou | 11/27/07
RE: What about RF interference?  JustAnAboveAverageJoe | 11/27/07
Foil wrapped wood PC  gerhart | 11/27/07
Keeping in character  fred@... | 11/27/07
Be sure . . .  JLHenry | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  rickh@... | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  rickh@... | 11/27/07
No DVD Drive?  TyreeComix | 11/27/07
ISO's  statseeker@... | 11/27/07
Don't need a DVD drive  georgeou | 11/27/07
You go, George!  SteveMak | 11/27/07
Well done!  marekwawrzyniak@... | 11/27/07
Black so that it will blend in  georgeou | 11/27/07
pretty cool!  lostarchitect | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  gerhart | 11/27/07
How about shielding?  D. W. Bierbaum | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  alambeth@... | 11/27/07
why bluetooth ? aren't they extremely insecure?  TG2 | 11/27/07
Plexiglass Cover  ceh4702 | 11/27/07
Spraying inside Plexiglas!  MWPollard | 11/27/07
Dood.. thats super cool  pcguy777 | 11/27/07
George, was Vista Ultimate $25?  Mike Hunt | 11/27/07
Windows was "for testing purposes"  MWPollard | 11/27/07
iMac watch out! Steve may be knocking at your door! - NT  raycote | 11/27/07
Ha ha ha haaaa haa ha.  People | 11/27/07
re: Ha ha, etc.  MWPollard | 11/27/07
re: Ha ha, etc.  People | 11/27/07
Message has been deleted.  AbbydonKrafts | 11/27/07
O..k..  AbbydonKrafts | 11/28/07
The moderator saw the 3 letter acronym  georgeou | 11/28/07
Thanks  AbbydonKrafts | 11/28/07
They might have missed the content in the body  georgeou | 11/28/07
Hmmm, redneck computer for $363?!?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 11/27/07
No, it doesn't have Vista - for testing. No keyboard; most have a spare  MWPollard | 11/27/07
ok, well last time I checked  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 11/27/07
A "real all-in-one" with Linux doesn't have Windows happy  MWPollard | 11/27/07
Your just mad because it does not match your  JustAnAboveAverageJoe | 11/27/07
Awww c'mon now, who said anything about a Mac?!?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 11/27/07
he's right though  zupobaloop | 11/27/07
Wow, why are you guys so touchy?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 11/27/07
Great idea  burtoni | 11/27/07
Mounting it under the table is fine, but that still requires cabling  georgeou | 11/27/07
It already has cabling  AbbydonKrafts | 11/27/07
You might just bolt the motherboard to the bottom or back of counter  georgeou | 11/27/07
Even better  AbbydonKrafts | 11/27/07
Drawer computer would mean you don't need to build anything  georgeou | 11/27/07
Drawer Computer  LadyGray | 11/28/07
That would be a benefit.  AbbydonKrafts | 11/28/07
what about cooling  keithc | 11/29/07
You can mount a 120mm fan on the back  georgeou | 12/01/07
RE: The $363 19  do not get stressed up | 11/27/07
YEAH  do not get stressed up | 12/07/07
Replace the wood with fiberglass  TDShadow | 11/27/07
wrong  zupobaloop | 11/27/07
How thick are you planning?  AbbydonKrafts | 11/27/07
Why not an industrial storage tote/bin/box?  Flipclock | 11/27/07
Lot's of boxes can be had for $20 if you buy at QTY 10  georgeou | 11/27/07
actually  merc2dogs` | 11/27/07
Yup, you get the whole point of this  georgeou | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  little_bad_boy@... | 11/27/07
Yes, but they're 2 to 8 times the size  georgeou | 11/27/07
Cases  mswift@... | 12/06/07
Thanks a LOT!  georgeou | 12/07/07
RE: The $363 19  Flipclock | 11/27/07
Well Done George  tonymcs@... | 11/27/07
It is strictly hobby  AbbydonKrafts | 11/27/07
Eat your hearts out...  Crestview | 11/27/07
You could run a hacked version of Mac OS X  georgeou | 11/27/07
NOW I'm starting to drool!  Crestview | 11/27/07
Re: All the RF/etc interference comments  AbbydonKrafts | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  timsalso@... | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  jsb101@... | 11/27/07
That actually made me LOL  AbbydonKrafts | 11/27/07
yeah no kidding  zupobaloop | 11/27/07
No offense in this question but....  James Quinn | 11/27/07
It is called rooting for a DIY.  osreinstall | 11/27/07
I earned some appreciation for the blue collar guys  georgeou | 11/27/07
I was one of them long ago.  osreinstall | 11/27/07
This project wasn't bad, the last one was  georgeou | 11/27/07
Like I've been saying I've built hundrreds maybe  Laff | 11/28/07
Then you didn't need to ask the question.  osreinstall | 11/28/07
Wet blanket me!?!  Laff | 11/28/07
Yeah you with all thumbs.  osreinstall | 11/28/07
Very Old News  Kaiwai | 11/27/07
RE: The $363 19  silver_acg@... | 11/27/07
Naw,  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 11/28/07
Plastic isn't a good heat conductor either...  MWPollard | 11/28/07
does wood make good RF shield?  killerbunny | 11/28/07
No, but the motherboard and other components are FCC certified  georgeou | 11/28/07
I'm guessing the FCC assumes they're in a box  57ford | 11/29/07
They use metal because that's easy to make  georgeou | 11/30/07
Yes metal is easy, but ...  Chas_ | 11/30/07
Try tigerdirect.com or newegg.com  AbbydonKrafts | 11/28/07
Very Nice George!!  vmalone1227@... | 11/28/07
Thanks, I just bumped in to a lady at the return line returning a retail co  georgeou | 11/28/07
hard drive  modemman11@... | 11/28/07
By the time it becomes oblong, it will be obsolete.  georgeou | 11/28/07
Aren't a lot of the External HD's Vertical? (nt)  JLHenry | 11/28/07
Yes you're right, so is the one in the iMac, Gateway, and Dell  georgeou | 11/28/07
Actually . . .  JLHenry | 11/29/07
Had a friend..  seal@... | 11/29/07
I never went for the super expensive motherboards  georgeou | 11/30/07
RE: The $363 computer FCC ?  cits@... | 11/29/07
I suggest you read some of . . .  JLHenry | 11/29/07
I have a radio sitting a few inches from this thing and it's fine  georgeou | 11/30/07
License Cost  bill.kunkel@... | 11/29/07
This was also discussed above . . .  JLHenry | 11/29/07
Vista Premium is $110 for OEM license  georgeou | 11/30/07
RE: The $363 19  Dunkleosteus | 11/29/07
RE: The $363 19  dangeruss | 11/30/07
Parts List?  wxwrdmw02@... | 12/03/07
RE: The $363 19  chrebbie | 12/03/07
RE: The $363 19  ldm1@... | 12/06/07
Cooling/ventilation suggestion....  pennatomcat | 12/08/07
Hardware $$$ fine....what about OS $$$?  online_newsletters@... | 12/10/07
other choice for PC  speedyoct1958@... | 12/19/07
That computer is about 8x slower than this one  georgeou | 12/25/07

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