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January 3rd, 2008

Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost

Posted by George Ou @ 5:04 am

Categories: Apple, Build it yourself, Energy efficiency - green, Fun Stuff, Hardware, Intel, Processors, Workstations

Tags: Processor, Apple Macintosh, Workstation, Wisdom, Dual Processor, Intel Corp., Mac Pro, Serial ATA, Chipsets, Workstations

Conventional wisdom tells us that a digital content creation and CAD professional had to fork out $6000 to $10,000 dollars for a high-end 8-core dual-processor workstation, but this is Real World IT where I say screw conventional wisdom.  I’ve put on my mad scientist hat again and brewed something up for $2311 with equal or better performance than a $6803 Mac Pro (as configured in Apple screen cap to the left).  Now granted you can’t run Mac OS X so that might be a show stopper for a Mac user, but there are plenty of Windows users who want something that will run just as fast.  If that’s you, then keep reading!

The Mac Pro is essentially based on an Intel 5000 series dual-processor chipset.  At present time, it still only comes with 65nm “Clovertown” processors maxing out at 3.0 GHz and not the recently launched 45nm “Harpertown” processors and newer motherboard that use the Intel 5100 series “San Clemente” chipset.  As I showed in my quad-core CPU comparisons, the newer 45nm processors costing $300 can rival $1200 65nm processors.  Furthermore, the 5100 series chipset supports cheaper and more energy efficient registered DDR2 memory instead of the power-hungry FBDIMMs (fully buffered DDR2 memory) used in the Intel 5000 series motherboards.

My home-brew 8-core solution costs about a third of the price with performance equal or better than the fastest Mac Pro you can buy on the market.  But when it comes to SSE4 optimized video encoding which nearly every video encoding software package is going to support, you can expect a massive increase in performance over the 65nm “Clovertown” quad-core processors.  Other improvements in my solution is a 5-drive hot-swap SATA back plane which allows you to easily swap out up to five hard drives.  The video card I used is an NVIDIA Quadro NVS290 designed specifically for the workstation market and it is also used in Sun’s single processor workstation.

Apple on the other hand uses the out-dated ATI Radeon X1900 XT which is actually a desktop gaming graphics card and not a workstation card.  Below is the exact configuration and pricing for this system.  I also threw in a cordless Logitech EX110 keyboard and optical mouse.  Since Apple includes free shipping, my quoted prices (as usual) includes the cost of shipping.  I also rounded to the nearest dollar and I do not include the effect of rebates in the quoted prices though I mention one rebate in the part description.  I got these prices by roaming the search engines to find reasonable prices mostly from places that I have personally shopped before.

Updated 5:45PM - All Windows drivers for the Intel 5100 series “San Clemente” chipset have now been confirmed and can be downloaded here so both systems are confirmed to operate any x86 or x64 version of Windows XP, 2003, Vista.  I have also verified XP and Vista x86/x64 driver support for all the other components.

Note that the use of FBDIMMs on the 5400 series platform adds about 7 watts of power consumption per DIMM, but the 5400 series ”Seaburg” chipset has the added benefit of a 50% larger snoop filter and official DDR2-800 support so it’s a higher end chipset.  While the 5400 series chipset supports up to 16 FBDIMMs, the 5400 motherboard listed below has 4 DIMM slots whereas the 5100 series motherboard listed below has 8 DIMM slots.  You can get higher memory capacity 5400 series motherboards but they cost a little more so it a toss up which chipset you should use.  You can get a Supermicro X7DWN+B for example which has dual gigabit LAN and 16 FBDIMM slots for an extra $150 over the price of the Tyan S5392ANR.

High-end 8-core 2P Workstation (5400 series “Seaburg” version):

Part Price
Tyan TEMPEST I5400XL (S5392ANR) Intel 5400 series “Seaburg” 408
8 GB fully buffered DDR2-667 ECC memory (2GB x 4) 340
Two Intel E5410 quad-core “Harpertown” 45nm 2.33 GHz CPUs 616
Seasonic 650W 88% efficiency “80 Plus” power supply 160
Cooler Master Stacker ATX chassis Cosmos EATX (updated) 172
NVIDIA Quadro NVS290 PCI-Express 256MB 120
Sound Blaster Audigy 7.1 36
AMS 5-drive SATA hot-swap backplane (model DS-3151SSBK) 102
Two 500GB 7200RPM SATA hard drives 200
18x DVD burner with SATA interface 36
Logitech EX110 wireless optical mouse and keyboard 35
Vista Business x64 edition OEM (dual-processor support) 145
   
Total (including shipping but not tax) $2368

High-end 8-core 2P workstation (5100 series “San Clemente” version):

Part Price
5100 series “San Clemente” dual-processor motherboard 381
8 GB Registered DDR2-667 ECC memory (4 x 2GB) (4 slots open) 310
Two Intel E5410 quad-core “Harpertown” 45nm 2.33 GHz CPUs 616
Seasonic 650W 88% efficiency “80 Plus” power supply 160
Cooler Master Stacker ATX chassis (additional $60 rebate) 170
NVIDIA Quadro NVS290 PCI-Express 256MB 120
Sound Blaster Audigy 7.1 36
AMS 5-drive SATA hot-swap backplane (model DS-3151SSBK) 102
Two 500GB 7200RPM SATA hard drives 200
18x DVD burner with SATA interface 36
Logitech EX110 wireless optical mouse and keyboard 35
Vista Business x64 edition OEM (dual-processor support) ??? 145
   
Total (including shipping but not tax) $2311

If you don’t know how to build a PC or you’re rusty, here’s a step-by-step guide.  You can also have a local PC shop assemble the whole thing for around $100 or so and some will even install the OS for a little more money.  Other shops may just sell you all the parts for a minimal markup with no charge on assembly if you take this parts list to them.

As for which LCD display to buy, make sure you buy something that isn’t a typical TN type panel with lousy viewing angles and lousy 18-bit color.  Dell’s $700 24″ 2407WFP-HC is highly rated and it uses a high color PVA type panel with true wide viewing angles that don’t drastically drop in contrast ratio when viewed off center.  The inexpensive $300 24″ Soyo (available at Office Max) is actually an MVA type panel with true 24-bit color and wide viewing angles.  If you don’t need a super high color gamut, picking up two of the 24″ Soyos for dual-screens might be a great solution.  For comparison purposes, the Apple iMac 20″ uses the lousy TN type display while the 24″ iMac uses the superior PVA, MVA, or IPS TFT technology.

Update 5:45AM - What about Dell workstations?

Larry Dignan asked me what about Dell solutions for the workstation market.  That’s a great question and I just looked it up on Dell’s website.  I configured a Dell Precision T7400 with identical CPU and GPU configuration but with the older Intel 5000 series chipset [Update 6:40AM - reader s_souche pointed out that the T7400 is actually based on the newer 5400 series "Seaburg" chipset which also uses FBDIMMs and has the highest memory capacity].  One problem was that it only allowed me to configure half the memory using 4 1GB FBDIMMs.  This makes me wonder if there are only four DIMM slots in the entire system which would be rather unusual for a 5400 series motherboard.

It was also crazy that they charge an extra $350 to upgrade to a 500 GB SATA hard drive when those drives are barely worth $100 to begin with.  The total price for the RAM deficient system was $3817.  You will have to go out and buy your own 2GB FBDIMMs if you want to get up to 8GB RAM.  That’s not as bad as the Mac Pro configuration above but it’s still far worse than my home brew.

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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The Xeon or Core 2 cooling fans are silent  georgeou | 01/04/08
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Dell Mistake  fde101 | 01/04/08
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ROTFL. Even the unlamented Mac clones  labarker | 01/04/08
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Not exactly...  frabjous | 01/04/08
The few models and long life is a cataloge trick.  willpd13 | 01/10/08
Apple regularly offer rebates or cuts for latebuyers  ýlysdexia | 02/25/08
Hey this sounds like a super...  fredfarkwater@... | 01/04/08
Why not? It only uses about 150W in idle  georgeou | 01/04/08
Sure sure...  Silex | 01/04/08
5 years for a computer?  MTPCbldr | 01/04/08
George, How About Building Budget PCs  ShermB | 01/04/08
Sure thing, I had one back in June but will do an updated version  georgeou | 01/04/08
Warning to Readers!  Cornhead | 01/04/08
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost  Rambo Tribble | 01/04/08
I don't know why  Crestview | 01/04/08
How is it a Mac Pro equivalent...  Bruizer | 01/04/08
Well, it can run OS X, just not legally - nt  georgeou | 01/04/08
No matter how you slice it...  JonA_z | 01/04/08
spot on...  richvball44 | 01/05/08
Why the NVS and not the FX?  odubtaig | 01/05/08
Not sure how many more times we need to say this. This is not a GAMING mac  georgeou | 01/05/08
That'll teach me to skim read. (NT)  odubtaig | 01/06/08
So now do a little more reality distortion  keel | 01/06/08
Not slapping anyone down.  keel | 01/07/08
stupid, stupid, stupid!  devin6687 | 01/07/08
No you aren't  laura.b | 01/08/08
Article Now Equals Null and Void  nucrash | 01/08/08
But the new video card on Mac pro is slower than old one  georgeou | 01/08/08
You Mean, "Some One Can"  nucrash | 01/08/08
You know you can get a different card?  Bruizer | 01/08/08
But, the point is  laura.b | 01/08/08
you don?t get it  isserley | 01/08/08
correction  s_souche | 01/09/08
No, dear, YOU don't get it  laura.b | 01/09/08
easy, honey:  isserley | 01/09/08
Headline  laura.b | 01/10/08
This guy is seriously deluded and biased  AlienSexGod | 01/09/08
I'm afraid not  s_souche | 01/09/08
Your bias is showing.  rtk | 01/09/08
you live ...  isserley | 01/09/08
Zero Labour costs?  Bozzer | 01/09/08
Zero labour costs for buying 3rd party RAM for your Mac?  NonZealot | 01/09/08
yeah right  isserley | 01/09/08
er...  evilkillerwhale@... | 01/09/08
either or.  isserley | 01/13/08
You're correct in one small point...  msalzberg | 01/09/08
highly flawed argument  shoktai@... | 01/10/08
And this is "Real World IT"?  IUseComputers | 01/28/08
One word...Windows!  nikonmaster | 01/28/08
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost  alessi | 03/18/08
Did anyone ever build this?  january26 | 04/11/08
I built it!  mfranks.architect@... | 04/14/08
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost  mfranks.architect@... | 04/14/08
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost  BillyB40 | 04/15/08
its, cretin  ylysdexia | 04/26/08
An even better, less expensive case, PSU, and SATA back-plane with hot swap  HT Slider | 01/09/09

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