Yeah ... but
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 01/03/08
|

If I can get the parts for review, I'll build it
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
build it and install OS X
Qlueless | 01/03/08
|
  
What do Mac fans care?
Laff | 01/03/08
|
   
Your say you doubt it means much...
cornpie | 01/03/08
|
    
Show me the money
winski | 01/03/08
|
     
I often find it useful...
cornpie | 01/03/08
|
     
And where's your work?
jordjarn@... | 01/07/08
|
    
RAM, RAM, bad, bad
frabjous | 01/04/08
|
     
How is getting a quote straight from Apple's website...
tikigawd | 01/04/08
|
  
Not sure if that will fully support the GPU or San Clemente chipset
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
   
Many people have and are talking about it.
Golem | 01/03/08
|
    
But how many work for a Major Media Outlet?
nucrash | 01/04/08
|
     
Let me check with legal on using that unnamed source
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
  
Deluded
AlienSexGod | 01/09/08
|
   
The only thing insane
rtk | 01/09/08
|
   
for cost comparison
Qlueless | 01/15/08
|
 
I'll build it!
mfranks.architect@... | 01/14/08
|

hey - that question matters
Clewin | 01/03/08
|

Too slow CPU, no dual gige, only 4 RAM slots...
olePigeon | 01/03/08
|
 
The 2.33 45nm Harpertown is faster than the 3.0 65nm clovertown
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
  
Small update...
olePigeon | 01/08/08
|
   
They are a big deal, but not to the price.
ajole | 01/08/08
|

A very low one
odubtaig | 01/05/08
|

but what if...
furtherpale@... | 01/08/08
|
"...but it'll scream on Windows."
Henrik Moller | 01/03/08
|

Hey that's cute - nt
georgeou | 01/03/08
|

Broken windows
Chiatzu | 01/05/08
|
 
Maybe you don't know what your doing?
boberuski | 01/07/08
|
 
You should be smiling
f_mauro@... | 01/18/08
|
Missing Parts...
D-T-Schmitz | 01/03/08
|

I used aluminum and steel this time
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
is SSE4 that good?
patibulo | 01/03/08
|

That's just flat wrong info you got.
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
Not to quibble, but...
Letophoro | 01/03/08
|
  
I'm talking about DIVX, and here's the link
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
   
but not just due to SSE4
patibulo | 01/04/08
|
    
That result is mostly due to SSE4
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
   
Not a strict SSE4.1 vs. SSE3 comparison.
Letophoro | 01/04/08
|
    
Whatever it is, it's damn impressive
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost
Mike Cox, Sr. | 01/03/08
|

Too bad they weren't in the same sentence - nt
georgeou | 01/03/08
|

Article one of the best characterizations of Ou yet...
jasonp@... | 01/03/08
|
 
Best characterization of you yet
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
  
After years of hearing...
jasonp@... | 01/03/08
|
   
you talk the talk - but do you walk the walk?
jay@... | 01/04/08
|
 
So do you disagree...
big red one | 01/03/08
|
  
George you know if you say anything good about Microsoft the troll come out
SO.CAL Guy | 01/03/08
|
   
Message has been deleted.
jasonp@... | 01/03/08
|
    
Hrd Facts.
cornpie | 01/03/08
|
    
Message has been deleted.
ShadeTree | 01/03/08
|
     
Message has been deleted.
winski | 01/03/08
|
  
Will it outperform a Mac?
jasonp@... | 01/03/08
|
   
How is that?
cornpie | 01/03/08
|
   
What about OSX86 ????
Golem | 01/03/08
|
   
Yes and No
fde101 | 01/04/08
|
    
Worth the extra cost?
cornpie | 01/04/08
|
   
Nevermind the fact that Apple is reportedly a Hardware Company
tikigawd | 01/04/08
|

Getting roasted on Roughlydrafted is an honor
NonZealot | 01/03/08
|
 
Yup, they don' t let facts get in the way of a good old fashion smear
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
  
As in...
ego.sum.stig@... | 01/03/08
|
  
I find their facts a lot more supportable..
msalzberg | 01/03/08
|
   
You are joking, correct?
GuidingLight | 01/03/08
|
    
It's obvious that you've never..
msalzberg | 01/03/08
|
     
Spot on...
ego.sum.stig@... | 01/03/08
|
  
Sounds a lot like....
Rick_K | 01/07/08
|

Pot, meet Kettle
f_mauro@... | 01/18/08
|
T7400 is based on Seaburg
s_souche | 01/03/08
|

Ok, my mistake, it's the 5400 series
georgeou | 01/03/08
|

I just searched for NVS290 x64 Vista drivers and they're there
georgeou | 01/03/08
|

But components you buy also have warranty
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
Sure But
s_souche | 01/03/08
|
  
Yeah, we're spoiled in the USA here
georgeou | 01/03/08
|

gigabit? retard
ýlysdexia | 02/24/08
|
$6,803 for a MacPro?
NonZealot | 01/03/08
|
Benchmark
bahamude | 01/03/08
|

Building a PC is a LOT easier than building a car
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
Hmmmm
bahamude | 01/03/08
|
  
A question. If as you say .....
ShadeTree | 01/03/08
|
   
Crysis requirements
bahamude | 01/04/08
|
    
will work in theory!!
thjoey@... | 01/28/08
|
  
You don't buy a Mac Pro or a workstation for Crysis
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
   
But apparently it plays
bahamude | 01/04/08
|
  
FYI, ATI X1900 is very outdated
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
   
Agreed
bahamude | 01/04/08
|
    
But minimum requirements doesn't equal usable requirements
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
     
What defines acceptable?
bahamude | 01/07/08
|
2.33Ghz vs 3.0Ghz ?!
Stuka | 01/03/08
|

apple's fault
s_souche | 01/03/08
|
 
2.33 GHz 5410 is actually faster on SPECfp_rate2006
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
  
but will they change their oveall policy ?
s_souche | 01/03/08
|
   
They may....
Stuka | 01/03/08
|
  
so you admit...
doh123 | 01/03/08
|
   
I don't know if it will change and I don't know if Apple will offer cheaper
georgeou | 01/03/08
|

Because they don't offer that chip, yet
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
Ahh ok
Stuka | 01/03/08
|
  
No, but you can add Firewire 800 for $100 or less
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
   
They just won't cover...
Stuka | 01/03/08
|
    
Most vendors have scary language about third party add-ons
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
     
No scary language from Apple
Steve4Fluff | 01/03/08
|
   
Not just storage...
fde101 | 01/04/08
|
    
True, but a Firefire800 card is still only $50
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
   
thats easy
richvball44 | 01/05/08
|
That's it, I'm cancelling ZDNET from my bookmarks.
sos10@... | 01/03/08
|

...and ejecting the toys from the pram I see. (NT)
Scrat | 01/03/08
|

Promise?
James T. Kirk | 01/03/08
|

What a dweeb.
Cayble | 01/03/08
|
 
Well, that post...
ego.sum.stig@... | 01/03/08
|
  
Ummm...
Cayble | 01/04/08
|
linux
madhobbit | 01/03/08
|

Yes, these are standard Intel chipsets so it must be supported
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
Linux would scream on this.....
linux for me | 01/03/08
|
  
Linux will scream on this, but I quoted Vista Business edition
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
   
Agreed...But....
linux for me | 01/04/08
|
  
By consumer do you mean Home
willpd13 | 01/10/08
|
Try again
frgough | 01/03/08
|

Are you saying that purchasing from Apple is the unfavorable scenario?
Scrat | 01/03/08
|
 
What is trying to say...
mrOSX | 01/03/08
|
  
Dell sells 2gb DDR2 667 mhz ram $100
mrOSX | 01/03/08
|
   
and Apple sells it for $ 700.00
ShadeTree | 01/03/08
|

Qutestion is will that save you $4000
voska1 | 01/03/08
|
 
First of all that works for everything name brand vs generic.
Laff | 01/03/08
|
 
Well there was a test done by PCMAG...
mrOSX | 01/03/08
|
  
That article was in error.
ShadeTree | 01/03/08
|
 
Well it can save quire a bit...
mrOSX | 01/03/08
|
 
Not really
frgough | 01/03/08
|
  
Wrong assumption.
ShadeTree | 01/03/08
|
   
Yup, and the motherboard specified is often identical to the ones used by
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
Question is, when you purchase "Apple"
Cayble | 01/03/08
|
ZDnet is M$ biased and everybody should face up to it
pixelblot | 01/03/08
|

Really?
ShadeTree | 01/03/08
|

Instant insanity.
Cayble | 01/03/08
|
Without OS X, it's not equivalent.
People | 01/03/08
|

Nope
Mectron | 01/03/08
|
 
Way better?
rpmyers1 | 01/03/08
|
  
SQL Server / VS
andrewjg | 01/03/08
|
Fools and winzealots
theo_durcan | 01/03/08
|

I agree
pixelblot | 01/03/08
|

Computer like that put together in no time.
Cayble | 01/03/08
|
 
configure for free?
theo_durcan | 01/04/08
|
  
Check it out dude...
Cayble | 01/04/08
|
 
what?
richvball44 | 01/05/08
|

Build time would not be much
willpd13 | 01/10/08
|
Do It Yourself in the 'Real World' of IT?
Steve4Fluff | 01/03/08
|

Couldn't be better said!
pixelblot | 01/03/08
|

Since when
Mectron | 01/03/08
|
 
Depends on the industry
Erik Engbrecht | 01/03/08
|
 
Real World Mac IT=Graphic Arts(among others)
pixelblot | 01/03/08
|

Lack of DIY skills in IT is a real problem
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
You might hate this, but you know he's right.
Monkey_MCSE | 01/03/08
|
  
Have you seen how Google operates?
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
   
depends
richvball44 | 01/05/08
|
 
bah, stupid tab button.
Monkey_MCSE | 01/03/08
|
 
Yes and no
Robert Crocker | 01/03/08
|
  
I can buy 2 extra server for spare parts for every 10 servers
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
   
How long does it take you to build out the server?
Robert Crocker | 01/04/08
|
    
Who said anything about assembling the thing yourself?
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
     
Do you even read my posts?
Robert Crocker | 01/07/08
|
   
Still not "real world IT"
Bruizer | 01/04/08
|
    
Who said you gotta build these things?
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
    
Also, ask Google if they're a "small IT world" - nt
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
   
Too bad Name Brands(tm)(r)($) are all some see
wolftalamasca | 01/04/08
|
 
So How much do you charge per hour
Bozzer | 01/09/08
|
  
Not quite how it works
willpd13 | 01/10/08
|
   
So does a salaried employee..
msalzberg | 01/10/08
|
Here's my beef with this
Shelendrea | 01/03/08
|

This little part of the crowd...
ego.sum.stig@... | 01/03/08
|
 
George never said that he 'made' ..
msalzberg | 01/03/08
|
  
Oh, ok
ego.sum.stig@... | 01/03/08
|

You know full well that is not an option!
ShadeTree | 01/03/08
|
 
So?
ego.sum.stig@... | 01/03/08
|
  
Everything he said was true.
ShadeTree | 01/03/08
|
   
True?
ego.sum.stig@... | 01/03/08
|
    
Yes true!
ShadeTree | 01/04/08
|
   
EXCEPT the title.
Bruizer | 01/04/08
|
  
What?
boberuski | 01/07/08
|
 
Apple's not the only one...
Jkirk3279 | 01/10/08
|
  
Microsoft would LOVE XBox clones
NonZealot | 01/11/08
|
A Few Comments
7stringdude | 01/03/08
|

So long as it was worth reading to you, I'm happy
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
Not completely fair between Dell and Apple
rpmyers1 | 01/03/08
|
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost
Kelxin | 01/03/08
|

Add to your list....
mrOSX | 01/03/08
|

Boy you're quick
theo_durcan | 01/03/08
|
 
More than possible
willpd13 | 01/10/08
|

Kelxin clearly missed my point
Steve4Fluff | 01/04/08
|

PCs; Dell IS != arn't[sic] they; ********
ýlysdexia | 02/24/08
|
"equal or better performance" BS unless it works!
WaltFrench@... | 01/03/08
|

Tell me what's not compatible in my rig
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
Until you actually build it..
msalzberg | 01/03/08
|

Building a box
MTPCbldr | 01/03/08
|

You need to understand what goes into a computer
dnof | 01/04/08
|
 
before you claim that
richvball44 | 01/05/08
|
  
Your logic is not much like our earth logic.
odubtaig | 01/05/08
|

JUST TURN IT ON
dave@... | 01/07/08
|

Totally clueless
f_mauro@... | 01/18/08
|
If it doesn't run OS X, it ain't equivalent.
Userama | 01/03/08
|

So what you're saying is...
toadlife | 01/03/08
|

No its superior
andrewjg | 01/03/08
|
 
Wrong!
fde101 | 01/04/08
|
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost
U53r | 01/03/08
|

I don't know if...
ego.sum.stig@... | 01/03/08
|

Mac attack back.
Golem | 01/03/08
|

Not a Mac attack
Steve4Fluff | 01/04/08
|

you?re completely right
isserley | 01/08/08
|
How fast will it run...
msalzberg | 01/03/08
|
Odd title for the article
jkennedy2008 | 01/03/08
|

you've missed the point
f_mauro@... | 01/18/08
|
Memory and HD from Apple?
t_mohajir | 01/03/08
|

WRONG
f_mauro@... | 01/18/08
|
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost
keel | 01/03/08
|

The workstation market is a lot more than just Final Cut Pro
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
You know little about video and film production
keel | 01/04/08
|
  
I never said you had to use Premiere, and BHPhoto sells Avid
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
  
Now add up the pro editing software
keel | 01/04/08
|
   
Even with software, the PC is cheaper
walnut_tree | 01/06/08
|
    
How about a little more reality distortion.
keel | 01/06/08
|
     
Walnut tree made some very good points while being respectful
georgeou | 01/06/08
|
George, you made your goal...
davebarnes | 01/03/08
|

A 'brick outhouse'? Wonderful imagery
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
Great job!
Cornhead | 01/03/08
|

Great post, thanks. Here's my responses.
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
Workstation User's Response
nucrash | 01/04/08
|
  
I said content creation and CAD work
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
 
Quicktime and RAID
f_mauro@... | 01/18/08
|
And then the ultimate question....
JoeMama_z | 01/03/08
|

It uses only slow moving silent 120mm fans
georgeou | 01/03/08
|
 
what about the processors?
JoeMama_z | 01/04/08
|
  
The Xeon or Core 2 cooling fans are silent
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
   
Note that aftermarket fans are about $30-$50
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
    
good to hear they aren't howlers anymore...
JoeMama_z | 01/04/08
|
And This is Why I Stopped Buying a Mac
serpentmage | 01/03/08
|
"how great"
kitko | 01/04/08
|
Dell Mistake
fde101 | 01/04/08
|

I picked an 18x burner for my system so it's a fair comparison
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost
1234@... | 01/04/08
|
Apple sucks at graphics...
Narg | 01/04/08
|
Misleading title of article
Aragorn_z | 01/04/08
|
Is it equivalent?
danson@... | 01/04/08
|

Maybe you should try Vista x64 edition - nt
georgeou | 01/04/08
|

4 GB of RAM
MTPCbldr | 01/05/08
|
OS Support
dferguson75@... | 01/04/08
|
ROTFL. Even the unlamented Mac clones
labarker | 01/04/08
|
ROTFL. Even the unlamented Mac clones
labarker | 01/04/08
|
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost
jsheehy@... | 01/04/08
|

You need to call them and ask, they have it, just not on their website
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
Master Joe Says...
MasterJoe | 01/04/08
|
Disadvantage to being Apple
nucrash | 01/04/08
|

Good points - nt
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
 
Ok.....
thungurknifur | 01/11/08
|

Not exactly...
frabjous | 01/04/08
|

The few models and long life is a cataloge trick.
willpd13 | 01/10/08
|

Apple regularly offer rebates or cuts for latebuyers
ýlysdexia | 02/25/08
|
Hey this sounds like a super...
fredfarkwater@... | 01/04/08
|

Why not? It only uses about 150W in idle
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
Sure sure...
Silex | 01/04/08
|

5 years for a computer?
MTPCbldr | 01/04/08
|
George, How About Building Budget PCs
ShermB | 01/04/08
|

Sure thing, I had one back in June but will do an updated version
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
Warning to Readers!
Cornhead | 01/04/08
|
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost
Rambo Tribble | 01/04/08
|
I don't know why
Crestview | 01/04/08
|
How is it a Mac Pro equivalent...
Bruizer | 01/04/08
|

Well, it can run OS X, just not legally - nt
georgeou | 01/04/08
|
No matter how you slice it...
JonA_z | 01/04/08
|
spot on...
richvball44 | 01/05/08
|
Why the NVS and not the FX?
odubtaig | 01/05/08
|

Not sure how many more times we need to say this. This is not a GAMING mac
georgeou | 01/05/08
|
 
That'll teach me to skim read. (NT)
odubtaig | 01/06/08
|
So now do a little more reality distortion
keel | 01/06/08
|
Not slapping anyone down.
keel | 01/07/08
|
stupid, stupid, stupid!
devin6687 | 01/07/08
|

No you aren't
laura.b | 01/08/08
|
Article Now Equals Null and Void
nucrash | 01/08/08
|

But the new video card on Mac pro is slower than old one
georgeou | 01/08/08
|
 
You Mean, "Some One Can"
nucrash | 01/08/08
|
 
You know you can get a different card?
Bruizer | 01/08/08
|
  
But, the point is
laura.b | 01/08/08
|
   
you don?t get it
isserley | 01/08/08
|
    
correction
s_souche | 01/09/08
|
    
No, dear, YOU don't get it
laura.b | 01/09/08
|
     
easy, honey:
isserley | 01/09/08
|
     
Headline
laura.b | 01/10/08
|
This guy is seriously deluded and biased
AlienSexGod | 01/09/08
|

I'm afraid not
s_souche | 01/09/08
|

Your bias is showing.
rtk | 01/09/08
|
 
you live ...
isserley | 01/09/08
|
Zero Labour costs?
Bozzer | 01/09/08
|

Zero labour costs for buying 3rd party RAM for your Mac?
NonZealot | 01/09/08
|
 
yeah right
isserley | 01/09/08
|
  
er...
evilkillerwhale@... | 01/09/08
|
   
either or.
isserley | 01/13/08
|
 
You're correct in one small point...
msalzberg | 01/09/08
|
highly flawed argument
shoktai@... | 01/10/08
|
And this is "Real World IT"?
IUseComputers | 01/28/08
|
One word...Windows!
nikonmaster | 01/28/08
|
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost
alessi | 03/18/08
|
Did anyone ever build this?
january26 | 04/11/08
|

I built it!
mfranks.architect@... | 04/14/08
|
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost
mfranks.architect@... | 04/14/08
|
RE: Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost
BillyB40 | 04/15/08
|

its, cretin
ylysdexia | 04/26/08
|
An even better, less expensive case, PSU, and SATA back-plane with hot swap
HT Slider | 01/09/09
|