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January 15th, 2008

Beware of flawed CPU efficiency study

Posted by George Ou @ 3:47 am

Categories: AMD, Energy efficiency - green, Hardware, Intel, News, Servers

Tags: Quad-core, Advanced Micro Devices Inc., CPU, Intel Corp., Processors, Semiconductors, Hardware, Components, George Ou

Update 2/22/2008 - I originally used the word “rigged” to describe Neal Nelson’s study. My reasoning for using the word “rigged” was due to the fact that the test platforms used in Nelson’s study painted an inaccurate picture. Nelson’s study omitted two generations of Intel products while including pre-shippings products from AMD. Since I cannot know for a fact whether the test subject selection was intentional or merely coincidental, I changed the word “rigged” to “flawed”. Other than this change, I stand by my analysis here.

What if we held a football game involving the Patriots and any other NFL team where we set up a Patriots handicap that prohibited Tom Brady and the rest of his starting lineup from playing? What if the result was a loss for the Patriots and we splash the headline across the sports newswire that the Patriots just lost a football game? Would you think this was ethical behavior? Well that’s precisely what happened yesterday when the Neal Nelson report titled “AMD beats Intel in quad-core server power efficiency” spread across the newswire and got repeated as fact.

This is a classic case where the measurements are most likely accurate, but what’s being measured isn’tNeal Nelson and Associates is a consulting firm that has made it a habit to put out these handicapped reports on processor efficiency. Last year they excluded Intel’s quad-core lineup when AMD didn’t have quad-core processors and declared AMD the winner and got lots of news coverage, now they’re comparing Intel chips released in Q4 2006 to AMD technology that may not be available to the general public until Q2-2008 and the press seems to be falling for it all over again.

Nelson compared AMD’s Opteron 2350 2.0 GHz quad-core processor (may not ship again until Q2-2008 when the TLB bug hopefully gets fixed) to Intel’s older 65nm “Clovertown” E5335 and E5345 processor which were released in Q4 2006. These weren’t even the newest 65nm G Stepping Clovertown processors from mid-2007 with lower power consumption; these were the older stepping released in 2006. But Intel launched their latest 45nm “Harpertown” processors in November of 2007 and these chips were excluded from this “study” on AMD versus Intel energy efficiency. This is a classic case where the measurements are most likely accurate, but what’s being measured isn’t. This is a critical omission because the 45nm chips from Intel made significant improvements in performance and energy efficiency which has a double impact on performance per watt.

Nelson basically took a product from AMD that hasn’t even sorted out the bugs yet and can’t be purchased yet, then compared it to Intel’s 2006 technology while excluding two newer generations of Intel technology that are available in quantity, and he declares AMD the “winner” on energy efficiency. Then in an ultimate twist of irony, Nelson has the gall to question the methodology of the latest SPEC power efficiency standard SPECpower_ssj2008 when his own tests are outright deceptive. But in reality, SPEC doesn’t go out and declare winners or losers for cheap headlines or overstate the importance of their data; they merely present data with full vendor disclosures and provide valuable data points to the public.

When I did my in-depth review of SPECpower_ssj2008, I tempered the results for AMD despite the fact that the early SPECpower_ssj2008 results showed complete domination by Intel over AMD. I stated that the results would have been more competitive for AMD (at least at comparable clock speeds) if a web server version of SPECpower was used and when AMD quad-core Opteron gets its bugs sorted out. I still stand by that assessment based on the fact that AMD does well on a clock-for-clock basis when looking at SPECweb_2005 performance. However, Intel still commands the clock speed advantage which makes them the performance leader but at least AMD can be competitive on web serving duties at the lower clock speeds if they can fix their bug and launch their quad-core parts.

So who should the IT manager believe when it comes to performance per watt? Ideally you run your own tests on your own applications and draw your own conclusions but that may not be an option for everyone. If running your own tests isn’t feasible, I would recommend finding publicly acknowledged reputable benchmarks like those from SPEC or TPC and try to find the benchmark that most closely resembles your workload. While that isn’t perfect, it’s the closest thing to commissioning your own tests. But what you should not do is rely on consulting firms that have of a track record for fixing the game.

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Neal's performance component is irrelevant to his efficiency claim
Neal's uncapped performance component is irrelevant to his efficiency claim. The efficiency portion of his study gives a partial and distorted view using an arbitrary cap on performance.... (Read the rest)
Posted by: georgeou Posted on: 01/25/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Processors are only part of the power problems  xshakes | 01/15/08
Hard drives are not an issue  georgeou | 01/15/08
8 watts worst case  A.C.Power | 01/17/08
You are correct  georgeou | 01/18/08
Agreed  nucrash | 01/15/08
I think it's fine  voska1 | 01/15/08
It's misleading because you can buy 2.33 GHz 45nm processors for $296  georgeou | 01/15/08
Put your chips where your mouth is  neal@... | 01/15/08
I don't owe you a chip either  georgeou | 01/15/08
Are you afraid of the test results?  neal@... | 01/15/08
re:Are you afraid of the test results?  marbo100 | 01/15/08
But he can get more expensive 65nm Intel processors  georgeou | 01/15/08
Just exactly who provided you the Intel and AMD chips?  georgeou | 01/15/08
The same sources used by the ZD Labs  neal@... | 01/15/08
I asked you a direct question, who provided the Intel and AMD chips?  georgeou | 01/15/08
Won't work with yourself?  Robert Crocker | 01/16/08
Hypocrite...  Rick_K | 01/17/08
RE: Beware of rigged CPU efficiency study  Pyrotech_z | 01/15/08
As for me an my house...  PcJunkie | 01/15/08
It beats 2 year old Intel technology on power efficiency but loses on speed  georgeou | 01/15/08
That would be "We Own"  bjterry62 | 01/16/08
Hear hear! I know about the antitrust issues!  Grayson Peddie | 01/15/08
George, This is Neal, RE: Unfair Test  neal@... | 01/15/08
Intel doesn't owe you a chip  georgeou | 01/15/08
George, It's Neal  neal@... | 01/15/08
You said nothing about 2006 Intel technology in your press release  georgeou | 01/15/08
Who do you think you are kidding Neal?  bruce2003 | 01/16/08
George, It's Neal again, RE: SPECPower  neal@... | 01/15/08
Please stand by while George consulta with Intel PR...  WarEagle | 01/15/08
Or stand by while I'm gone from the computer - nt  georgeou | 01/15/08
LMAO!!  toadlife | 01/15/08
Why don't you answer the charges  georgeou | 01/15/08
He did  Robert Crocker | 01/16/08
Neal, so many mistakes regarding SPEC's benchmark  A.C.Power | 01/17/08
3-tier batching?  Robert Crocker | 01/18/08
Not impressed by the zealots...  Carrion | 01/15/08
he did  halbhh2@... | 01/15/08
It ain't code---  BALTHOR | 01/15/08
Reviewers get AMD/Intel sample cpu before they are released to OEM etc  Pyrotech_z | 01/15/08
I NEVER reviewed spider or phenom  georgeou | 01/15/08
You said you did an in-depth review of SPECPower  neal@... | 01/15/08
Answer the questions. Who gave you those chips?  georgeou | 01/15/08
When you can't respond ...  wackoae | 01/15/08
He has not answered anything.  georgeou | 01/16/08
I'm with George on this one.  Ben_E | 01/16/08
What does it matter where the chips came from?  WarEagle | 01/16/08
Yes, but Neal Nelson isn't a reviewer  A.C.Power | 01/17/08
Neil Nelson & Associates = law enforcement, not benchmarking.  kraterz | 01/15/08
Sorry, changed to Neal - nt  georgeou | 01/15/08
Give them a break  Boot_Agnostic | 01/16/08
George and Neal You are Talking Over Each Other  fromag82 | 01/16/08
Ou factual errors  Jasperdog | 01/16/08
He listed the EXACT model numbers  georgeou | 01/16/08
re:What does it matter where the chips came from?  marbo100 | 01/16/08
I'm sure we'll see Intel 45nm get beat again  WarEagle | 01/17/08
RE: Beware of rigged CPU efficiency study  kudieboodie@... | 01/17/08
All these tests measure entire system  georgeou | 01/17/08
Fair CPU comparison?  kudieboodie@... | 01/20/08
Go read SPECpower and see if it ever mentions TDP  georgeou | 01/20/08
That doesn't answer the question  kudieboodie@... | 01/20/08
YES, ENTIRE is measured.  georgeou | 01/21/08
RE: Beware of rigged CPU efficiency study  as901 | 01/17/08
Didn't you wonder why that was?  Robert Crocker | 01/17/08
RE: Beware of rigged CPU efficiency study  turpitt@... | 01/17/08
Neal: Nehalem vs. 90nm Opteron - Fair?  ORTechnology@... | 01/17/08
It's worse than that even - he caps performance levels of the Clovertown.  georgeou | 01/17/08
George, your statement is incorrect  neal@... | 01/18/08
the hard drives cap performance  A.C.Power | 01/18/08
Yup, you're correct. IO cap is a huge problem for databases  georgeou | 01/18/08
Your max is capped to the slowest system  georgeou | 01/18/08
Response to turpitt  neal@... | 01/18/08
Intel says no such thing, you don't know what you're talking about.  georgeou | 01/18/08
Using 45nm processors is a start  bruce2003 | 01/18/08
He still has the IO bottleneck problem  georgeou | 01/18/08
huh?  bruce2003 | 01/19/08
FBDIMM didn't hurt the SPECpower_ssj2008 results, 3x beating instead of 4x  georgeou | 01/20/08
huh? (again)  bruce2003 | 01/21/08
Neal's performance component is irrelevant to his efficiency claim  georgeou | 01/25/08
Did AMD provide the processors used YES or NO?  thetruthhurts | 01/19/08
It doesn't matter where they came from  nickoli0_z | 01/19/08
Proof that Neal Nelson's test platform is fundamentally worthless  georgeou | 01/20/08
RE: Beware of rigged CPU efficiency study  kitko | 01/21/08

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