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January 18th, 2008

Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie

Posted by George Ou @ 3:57 am

Categories: Apple, Consumer electronics, Infrastructure, Microsoft, Networking, News

Tags: Video, Blu-ray, Mbps, HD, Corporate Communications, Hd Dvd, Marketing, Personal Technology, DVD, Home Entertainment

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Update 6:00PM - Here’s what fake HD video looks like.

Last week at CES, Comcast announced their “HD” video on demand download service over its future DOCSIS 3.0 that allows 4 minute downloads of entire HD movies.  Attendees at MacWorld this week were told that disk-based HD formats like HD DVD and Blu-ray are essentially obsolete because you can simply download “HD” movies from your Apple TV 2.0 box on demand.  Microsoft started offering HD downloads for the XBOX360 starting in late 2006.  You can even watch “HD” videos from ABC right from the web.  There are even YouTube competitors that offer user uploaded “HD” content.  There’s just one minor little problem, it’s not HD.

As I’ve tried to educate my readers last year with my blog “Why HD movie downloads are a big lie“, these so-called HD movies use very low bit-rates compared to even standard definition DVDs let alone something like HD DVD or Blu-ray DVD.  Raw uncompressed 1080p video at 60 frames per second is about 3000 mbps so even HD DVD’s 28 mbps needs to be compressed about 107 to 1 with the H.264 or VC-1 codec.  By all reasonable standards this needs to be the minimum bit-rate for acceptable loss in quality on 1080p video.

Updated 4:30PM - Standard definition 480i DVD movies are typically 5 to 8 mbps (megabits per second) MPEG-2 whereas these so-called HD wannabes weigh in at a pathetic 1.5 to 4 mbps of 720p H.264.  Apple’s new HD service is capable of 4 mbps which simply isn’t enough to be considered HD.  XBOX360 downloads are 6.8 mbps 720p VC-1 so they’re semi-decent borderline HD.  Marketing will push the nicer sounding “720p” aspect of the video but they don’t tell you it’s way too compressed to offer good video fidelity.  Blu-ray has a maximum bit-rate of 40 mbps while HD DVD offers a maximum of 28 mbps.  Over the air broadcasts can be up to 24 19.38 mbps.

Modern video compression codecs like H.264 or VC-1 can hide these compression artifact problems much better than MPEG-2 video compression but there’s only so much it can do.  At best you might get away 50% more compression over older compression technology but 1.5 to 4 mbps H.264 will not be better than 8 mbps MPEG-2 under most video complexity requirements.  The only time 4 mbps 720p will look better than 8 mbps 480i is when the video on the screen is almost entirely stationary or it’s a low-complexity video such as animation movies.  Under most normal circumstances, the low bit-rate 720p so-called “HD” video will be inferior though many companies are betting that consumers won’t know any better. 

So the bottom line is that so-called “HD” video from Microsoft’s XBOX360 HD download service and Apple’s new Apple TV service or any other web download service is simply not HD by any respectable definition.  These companies cannot and should not use the “HD” name with video that is lower fidelity than standard DVD.  As for Comcast, there’s not much detail on it but I highly doubt it’s more than 4 to 8 mbps even on DOCSIS 3.0 because its 160 mbps total capacity is divided between 50 to 400 customers.  Only FiOS technology with its massive 620 mbps per 32-user capacity and possibly U-Verse (but slower than real time) has sufficient last-mile capacity to deliver true HD movie downloads at the quality of HD DVD and Blu-ray technology.

I’m not saying that you shouldn’t buy these services from Apple, or other services that offer low bit-rate 720p video downloads, but consumers must be aware of the fact that they’re slightly worse than a 1080p up-converted DVD.  Microsoft’s XBOX service is border-line HD that is slightly better than DVD but nowhere near 1080i over-the-air HD broadcast quality.

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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What IS HD?  Otwoh | 01/18/08
Technically true but...  cornpie | 01/18/08
they do?  LDCMobile | 01/18/08
Wrong, broadcast services are usually 1080i or 720p  georgeou | 01/18/08
Not so  frank_s | 01/18/08
Huh?  Bigshott | 02/19/08
Most people don't see it.  hulse_kevin | 01/18/08
Most viewers are still watching ...  mwagner@... | 01/18/08
You're wrong about that 17" computer monitor  georgeou | 01/18/08
Where I disagree with this article  threedaysdwn | 01/19/08
The industry would like you to believe there is a 2 to 1 advantage  georgeou | 01/19/08
I don't care what codec you use, you can't get around the low bit-rate limi  georgeou | 01/18/08
+1  toadlife | 01/18/08
George is 100% right  wackoae | 01/19/08
Your nuts  IUseComputers | 01/28/08
It's well known that the PSNR is at best 1.5x better for H.264  georgeou | 02/04/08
4 mbps H.264 may be better  wingc@... | 02/05/08
Lack of Understanding or Understanding Lack ?  pobstar1@... | 01/18/08
Thanks, well said  georgeou | 01/18/08
Fallowing You on that for sure.  pobstar1@... | 01/18/08
AI?  richvball44 | 01/19/08
I'm proud of my 50" Pansonic plasma  Knorthern Knight | 01/18/08
HD uses  Schnazzer | 01/18/08
Why Pay Comcast  notsofast | 01/18/08
What is "peak power"?  kd5auq | 01/18/08
Marketing, Never Trust Marketing  codeguy007 | 01/18/08
RE: Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie  bdick@... | 01/18/08
ATSC vs. DVB-t  NetArch. | 01/18/08
Sorry, will correct it  georgeou | 01/18/08
Maybe they just mean 16x9  Michael Kelly | 01/18/08
No, they can't tell that either because these new TVs stretch the signal  georgeou | 01/18/08
Good point (nt)  Michael Kelly | 01/18/08
That's True  carrilion | 01/21/08
Not exactly  FirstNLastN | 01/18/08
It's not a 2 to 1 advantage  georgeou | 01/18/08
(nt)Hope you didn't delete the mpeg2 originals  toadlife | 01/18/08
You're talking recompression  CobraA1 | 01/19/08
... continued  FirstNLastN | 01/18/08
RE: Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie  aitor_ibarra | 01/18/08
Math error  VersatileSimplicity | 01/18/08
Bits or Bytes, check your math  georgeou | 01/18/08
I don't know about your assumptions  public@... | 01/20/08
720p should be higher bit-rate than DVD to be acceptable  georgeou | 01/18/08
Wrong  crashuk@... | 01/19/08
Takes slightly more storage, but not twice as much  georgeou | 01/19/08
Now who actually offers 1080p?  LDCMobile | 01/18/08
1080p = 1080i (sometimes)  Cyraxote | 01/18/08
no, it depends on the signal  ramarc | 01/18/08
1080i = 540  whcressall@... | 01/18/08
That is incorrect  threedaysdwn | 01/19/08
Phenomena is plural; don't watch sports.  ýlysdexia | 01/28/08
There's some WMV9 material in 1080p  bulk@... | 01/18/08
Blu-ray is 40 mbps 1080p, ATSC HD broadcast is 19 mbps 1080i  georgeou | 01/18/08
What about 720p ATSC?  Michael Kelly | 01/18/08
The total signal is the same 19.2 megabits  Knorthern Knight | 01/18/08
Actually, 720p allows for lower compression ratios  georgeou | 01/18/08
Real HDTV  Knorthern Knight | 01/18/08
Setting the bar too low  Knorthern Knight | 01/18/08
Thanks for the link!  georgeou | 01/18/08
You're right on the money, George  SteveMak | 01/18/08
A few questions  itpro_z | 01/18/08
Probably not compression  RocketEater | 01/18/08
I really don't understand...  MalumRegnat\ | 01/18/08
HD broadcasts are different from downloads or streaming on demand  georgeou | 01/18/08
Point is that you won't be happy with 4 mbps 720p  georgeou | 01/18/08
Dumb Question: What about the trailers on apple.com?  roystonlodge | 01/18/08
Sometimes they offer really short clips that are 8 mbps  georgeou | 01/18/08
RE: Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie  mikepaul | 01/18/08
Someone missed the point completely  georgeou | 01/18/08
Hmmm  Skullet | 01/18/08
Verizon offers 15 mbps HD video streaming on demand  georgeou | 01/18/08
I think your missing the point George.  Skullet | 01/18/08
This is not spliting hairs, I'm telling you bit-rate is a limiting factor  georgeou | 01/18/08
Thanks for muddying the waters a little more  Vurbal@... | 01/18/08
3 to 1 advantage is BS  georgeou | 01/18/08
And the resolution issue?  Vurbal@... | 01/18/08
Over compressed high resolution looks like low resolution  georgeou | 01/18/08
That's not what you wrote  Vurbal@... | 01/18/08
Actually, overcompressed HD does look a lot like SD upconverted  georgeou | 01/19/08
George is fairly wrong, because...  CowLauncher | 01/18/08
High Resolution with low bit-rate equals low fidelity  georgeou | 01/18/08
That's a misconception George...  CowLauncher | 01/18/08
You're fooling yourself if you think you can get good HD at low bit-rates  georgeou | 01/18/08
Have watched any George?  CowLauncher | 01/18/08
I've watched quite a bit, and it's fake HD  georgeou | 01/18/08
Problem is . . .  CobraA1 | 01/19/08
Here you go:  CobraA1 | 01/19/08
You're right, and you can see the difference on a 19" LCD  georgeou | 01/19/08
I know the difference between bits and bytes...  aitor_ibarra | 01/18/08
720p at half the bit-rate is lower fidelity than 480i  georgeou | 01/18/08
bit rate not only key factor though...  aitor_ibarra | 01/18/08
It's not the only factor, but it's a limiting factor  georgeou | 01/18/08
Ya'll are a little Cynical: What this really means is...  stormculture | 01/18/08
HD "ought" to be better than DVD  georgeou | 01/18/08
Eh, you're both right.  JTrack3d | 01/18/08
The 4 minute claim is nonsense to begin with.  georgeou | 01/18/08
I agree with you!  aitor_ibarra | 01/18/08
8mbps 720p VC-1 or MPEG4-AVC/H.264 is decent.  georgeou | 01/18/08
1.5mbits/sec  aitor_ibarra | 01/18/08
The ABC stuff is 1.5 mbps or lower 720p video  georgeou | 01/18/08
What a good compressionist can do with 2Mbit/sec  aitor_ibarra | 01/18/08
Animations don't count as video  georgeou | 01/18/08
Yup, Elephant's Dream isn't Citizen Kane  aitor_ibarra | 01/18/08
It's a lot worse than my DVDs  georgeou | 01/18/08
RE: Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie  MC_z | 01/18/08
Pundits vs. Firsthand Experience  hulse_kevin | 01/18/08
My experience with 360 720p movies was good  dhavleak@... | 01/18/08
7GB per movie means high bitrate  aitor_ibarra | 01/18/08
I rounded off to 8  georgeou | 01/18/08
I updated for XBOX360  georgeou | 01/18/08
good stuff..  dhavleak@... | 01/18/08
Updated note about XBOX360 - nt  georgeou | 01/18/08
The Internet is DC node stuff  BALTHOR | 01/18/08
Anen  vicw926a4@... | 01/18/08
RE: Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie  christopher.j@... | 01/18/08
You're looking for multicasting  Knorthern Knight | 01/18/08
Costs Of LIVE8 Scenario?  christopher.j@... | 01/19/08
RE: Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie  rodfrank@... | 01/18/08
Bit-rate is a HUGE factor  georgeou | 01/18/08
Yes Sheep  codeguy007 | 01/18/08
RE: Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie  domlanic@... | 01/18/08
Same marketing nonsense, Flash still uses video compression technology  georgeou | 01/18/08
HD LIE  domlanic@... | 01/18/08
Doesn't even take regulation, just a few stiff fines here and there will do  georgeou | 01/18/08
George is right!  ballmerclone2@... | 01/18/08
RE: Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie  bcroner | 01/18/08
RE: Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie  nori.anand@... | 01/18/08
Beware of George Ou and don't believe his articles!  Grayson Peddie | 01/18/08
TechExec2?  thetruthhurts | 01/19/08
Your point isn't entirely off, but your math sure is.  photo@... | 01/19/08
WRONG, you're assuming the extra bit-rate is wasted on those repeat frame  georgeou | 01/19/08
Sigh...  threedaysdwn | 01/19/08
Upscaling by itself isn't a good thing, but starting with double bit-rate  georgeou | 01/19/08
The solution  skris88@... | 01/19/08
BT is similar to multicasting in the sense that it takes load off server  georgeou | 01/20/08
But I agree with you that the word HD shouldn't be abused  georgeou | 01/20/08
******** Title  oxytotem@... | 01/20/08
Xbox 360 hd downloads  d0x360@... | 01/20/08
RE: Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie  duanedeen@... | 01/20/08
I feel sorry for you George  mankydonut@... | 01/20/08
Would be nice to have an HD basic, standard, full label  georgeou | 01/20/08
Informative, nothing else needs to be said. (NT)  ju1ce | 01/20/08
DVDs are undercompressed in the first place  Knocks | 01/20/08
Lower bit-rates are fine for people who steal the content  georgeou | 01/20/08
The algorithms used are very clever...  Mikael_z | 01/23/08
Or you can just rent your HD Netflix  georgeou | 01/23/08
Depends on where you draw the line  Mikael_z | 01/24/08
Wireless Communications, Networking and Mobile Computing  wxm0907@... | 01/20/08
Symposium on Information System & Management  wxm0907@... | 01/20/08
back to DVD  _JimB_ | 01/23/08
It is HD this article is BS  puggsly | 02/19/08
RE: Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie  skellener@... | 02/19/08
Verizon offers full HD Video on Demand over their FiOS data  georgeou | 04/07/08

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