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January 18th, 2008

Here's what fake HD video looks like

Posted by George Ou @ 6:07 pm

Categories: Consumer electronics

Tags: MPEG-2, Video, DirecTV, Mbps, HD, TVs, Tv & Home Theater, Corporate Communications, Digital Video, Digital Media

After this morning’s piece “Don’t believe the low bit-rate ‘HD’ lie“, I thought I would follow up and show you want crappy HD looks like.  The following is a sample from AVSForum user Xylon who digitally ripped some images from DIRECTV and Dish Networks satellite service 1.5 years ago.  Note that both of these are delivering less than half the 19.2 bit-rate of ATSC over-the-air broadcast HD so neither example is all that great.  I linked to the forum and cropped out the image at 1:1 size and posted the samples for a side-by-side comparison below but you can click to see the full-size images.

DIRECTV HD @ 8.25 mbps Dish “HD” @ 9.10 mbps

Source/credit: Xylon @ AVSForum

Apparently, DIRECTV switched from 1920×1080 resolution HD video to highly compressed 1280×1080 so they can shove a lot more channels on to their service which users not-so-lovingly named “HD Lite“.  As you can see above, the DIRECTV image to the left absolutely stinks compared to the not-so-great sample from Dish on the right.  This apparently angered a lot of DIRECTV customers and one such customer Peter Cohen actually filed a class action lawsuit.

Even the Dish example on the right above sucks compared to broadcast HDTV and that the hair is blurred and blended in.  But everyone’s rushing to announce their “100 channel HD” service when all they’re doing is squeezing twice as many channels down the same pipe.  Now imagine what happens when you try to cut the bit-rate down by a factor of 4 like Apple’s iTune HD rental service or you try to cut it down 10 times like some websites.  Granted the usage of higher-end codecs like H.264/MPEG4-AVC or VC-1 can lessen the losses in quality, but no compression technology in the world can handle fast changing video with low bit-rates without severe degradation.  People often hear MPEG-4 and the knee-jerk reaction is that it’s automatically better than MPEG-2 because they see a bigger number but that’s only true if it’s at or almost the same bit-rate.

In light of the fact that 8 mbps 1280×1080 video gets you sued, you have to wonder what Steve Jobs is thinking when he says Blu-ray and HD DVD will get killed by download services such as his newly launched 4 mbps 720p “HD” iTunes movie rental service.  I guess if consumers believe the lie that you can do HD with these low bit-rate downloads, then Steve might be right.  But with cheap 42 inch 1920×1080 full 1080p LCD and Plasma panels coming out spring this year at less than $1400, consumers are going to be in for a surprise when they see the difference between the free stuff coming over the airwaves versus the crap they actually pay for coming from Satellite and download services.

Video quality reference table from best to worst:
(Some data might be outdated, missing, or approximate but I will update)

Source/service CODEC Resolution Bit-rate
Blu-ray H.264 or MPEG2 1920×1080 1080i/p 40
HD DVD H.264 or VC-1 1920×1080 1080i/p 28
ATSC HDTV MPEG2 1920×1080 1080i/p 19.39
Digital cable MPEG2 1920×1080 1080i/p ~ 16
Verizon FiOS
Video on demand
MPEG2 1920×1080 1080i 15
DISH HD MPEG2/MPEG4 1440×1080 < 10
DIRECTV HD MPEG2/MPEG4 1280×1080 < 10
IPTV H.264 ? < 10
Xbox Live Video VC-1 1280×720 720p 6.8
DVD MPEG2 720×480 480i * 8
Apple iTunes QuickTime/H.264 1280×720 720p 4
Web “HD” downloads H.264 1280×720 720p 1.5

* Can up-scale well up to 1080i or 1080p because of reasonable bit-rate.

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Sad knowledge on your part
"It doesn't matter what bit rates you post for an HD type because if it's H.264 it can be any bit rate"

It's sad that you believe this.
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Posted by: georgeou Posted on: 10/10/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
missing codecs  aitor_ibarra | 01/18/08
more lies - explained  joshuabglickman@... | 01/18/08
sad but true  aitor_ibarra | 01/18/08
OMG, don't get me started on XM or Sirius  georgeou | 01/18/08
The HD in HD Radio does not stand for high definition!!  mrOSX | 01/21/08
Now one note here, people like to compare this fake HD to MP3s  georgeou | 01/18/08
Now you have peaked my curiousity.  nucrash | 01/21/08
I just did the math. You can google up the other info  georgeou | 01/21/08
I'm not a fanboy...  mysterious1der | 01/18/08
Great work today  Bill4 | 01/18/08
Glad to hear it's helpful  georgeou | 01/18/08
Do you know what the term HD means?  Vurbal@... | 01/18/08
Overcompressed HD is low-fidelity HD  georgeou | 01/18/08
I agree  wackoae | 01/18/08
Yes it is  Vurbal@... | 01/18/08
Fake or crap, that's minor stuff  georgeou | 01/18/08
HD does not have a specific definition  frank_s | 01/19/08
I'm referring to HD video  Vurbal@... | 01/19/08
you're right, but...  lostarchitect | 01/19/08
Misinformation is misinformation  Vurbal@... | 01/19/08
Would this be considered HD?  NonZealot | 01/19/08
No it's not  Vurbal@... | 01/19/08
So long as they label their products with "no guarantee on quality"  georgeou | 01/20/08
Of course you will  Vurbal@... | 01/20/08
Yes, it is.  CobraA1 | 01/21/08
clarification  JetJaguar | 01/23/08
THAT is not HD...  dclhacker | 01/19/08
Vurbal it's useless...  CowLauncher | 01/19/08
Wow, that's a new one on me. HD not suppose to mean quality?  georgeou | 01/19/08
Then you must be a videophile.  Grayson Peddie | 01/20/08
It IS crap!  Sabz5150 | 01/21/08
"Isn't that the main selling point of High Definition?"  jacarter3 | 01/21/08
High Def's selling point and quality  Sabz5150 | 01/21/08
We all expect quality  jacarter3 | 01/21/08
We are not talking about being fooled  Cayble | 01/23/08
HD is for television is kinda like...  jasonp@... | 01/21/08
Congrats  jacarter3 | 01/21/08
Okay, answer this one simple question  Sabz5150 | 01/21/08
I sure dunno  jacarter3 | 01/21/08
Here is the incentive  IMHOYAAAH | 01/21/08
Alternative to broadcast technology  Sabz5150 | 01/22/08
Yes But...  andyman01 | 01/23/08
So if I scale up a 16x16 icon to the proper resolution, it's "HD"? Cool!  CobraA1 | 01/21/08
If I have 1440 by 900 pixels  jacarter3 | 01/21/08
I think George is more concerned with the should be rather than the is . .  CobraA1 | 01/21/08
Don't let them  jjwalters3@... | 02/04/08
Ridiculous reply  Cayble | 01/20/08
 jacarter3 | 01/21/08
Possibly the saddest reply in history.  Cayble | 01/23/08
High DEFINITION means, um, DEFINITION  lalogos | 02/07/08
sorry -- hit submit by accident ... let me finish ..  lalogos | 02/07/08
The quality will never be better  pablo Dante | 01/20/08
Exactly!  Grayson Peddie | 01/20/08
Left out MS  Richard Flude | 01/20/08
Hey you got me all figured out! I like high quality video and fast CPUs  georgeou | 01/21/08
we may disagree on pranks...  lostarchitect | 01/19/08
HD is the future!  ballmerclone2@... | 01/19/08
They should ban the use of "HD" for such transmissions.  el1jones | 01/19/08
RE: Here's what fake HD video looks like  BCF1968 | 01/19/08
Should he add a column for numbnut's Dark Knight WMV?  blow110@... | 01/19/08
Trailers are short and they jack up the bit-rate  georgeou | 01/19/08
Getting hung up on technicalities  croberts | 01/19/08
George where does DivX fit in?  D. T. Schmitz | 01/19/08
DivX, XVID, and QuickTime 6 use MPEG4-ASP  georgeou | 01/19/08
Sony and AMD Xilleon  D. T. Schmitz | 01/20/08
BitTorrent will get killed if EFF and FreePress gets their way with metered  georgeou | 01/20/08
Not user I follow this  D. T. Schmitz | 01/21/08
watch yourself  BCF1968 | 01/20/08
Some Real HD, courtesy of the BBC  kunkie@... | 01/20/08
We can host it for you without all those crazy ads  georgeou | 01/20/08
See post 40 from Georges first story...  mankydonut@... | 01/20/08
RE: Here's what fake HD video looks like  msadvertising@... | 01/20/08
Not always....  UncleBubba | 01/21/08
BBC Screengrabs  kunkie@... | 01/21/08
americans dont care about video quality  slawless | 01/21/08
We care...  Eriamjh | 01/21/08
Too bad VHS is missing ....  kd5auq | 01/21/08
I've heard of VHS. Interesting.  D. T. Schmitz | 01/21/08
shouldn't the word "dongle" be in your post? (n/m)  lostarchitect | 01/21/08
Regarding DirecTV HD chanels  toadlife | 01/21/08
No, some of their signals are transcoded from MPEG-2  georgeou | 01/21/08
So why...  toadlife | 01/22/08
I have no idea, I wish they'd encode everything good  georgeou | 01/22/08
Ahhhh, Vurbal and CowLauncher are just bothered .....  rmhesche | 01/21/08
nice table  patibulo | 01/22/08
Blu-ray and HD DVD both support each other's codecs  georgeou | 01/22/08
Directv has full HD (not lite)  ncjeffgus@... | 01/25/08
Actually, DIRECTV still dropped the resolution on HBO  georgeou | 01/26/08
Another Analyst Who Know's Today but not Tomorrow  kwilson@... | 01/30/08
Sad knowledge on your part  georgeou | 10/10/08
RE: Here's what fake HD video looks like  msadvertising@... | 03/04/08

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