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January 28th, 2008

Mac Pro is now the cheapest high-end workstation

Posted by George Ou @ 12:40 am

Categories: Apple, Build it yourself, Hardware, Intel, Processors, Workstations

Tags: Hard Drive, Video Card, Apple Macintosh, Memory, Apple Inc., CPU, Bottom Line, Mac Pro, Desktops, Workstations

Earlier this month I wrote “Build a Mac Pro equivalent workstation for 1/3 the cost” and the pricing didn’t look good for the Mac.  Now that the new Mac Pro with updated specifications and a much lower price has come out, I figured it’s time to do an updated comparison.  But during my research I came to a stunning conclusion: it’s the cheapest name brand dual-processor workstation on the market IF you know how to buy third party memory and storage.  It’s not only cheaper than the slower $3817 Dell workstation I looked at earlier this month, but I can’t even build a cheaper generic PC clone unless I switched to a lower-end CPU.  If you’re in the market for a high-performance Apple workstation, keep reading to learn how to get the best deal.

The new Mac Pro uses Intel’s latest 5400 series “Stoakley” platform with the “Seaburg” chipset.  For the CPU, it uses the 1600 MHz FSB version of the 5400 series CPUs which have clock speeds of 2.8, 3.0, and 3.2 GHz.  The graphics card has gone from AMD/ATI 1900XT to an NVIDIA 8800GT.  The memory was upgraded from Fully Buffered DDR2-667 to Fully Buffered DDR2-800.

As configured in the screen shot to the left, the stripped down system is $2999 with relatively few memory DIMMs and two minimum hard drives.  Since they’re only going to reduce the price by $500 if you only buy one processor and the fact that it would cost you $900 to replace that chip, it’s not worth buying one CPU from Apple.  The memory and hard drives were still too expensive so I left them on the default settings but you will most likely have to take them out and replace them.  The video card will also cost more to replace with a third party brand so it isn’t worth skipping either.  It’s also possible that a third party 8800GT might not work so I wouldn’t even bother trying.

Now once you buy this system, you’re going to need to buy some fully buffered DDR2-800 memory which is still very hard to find at this time.  I found some for $245 (vendor claims Mac Pro tested) which is way more money expensive than other generic memory but it’s way better than the $1500 Apple is asking for.  A few other people in talkback posted this link for two 2GB DDR2-800 at $220.  The price will probably drop $40 in coming months as these get more common but I think the price isn’t too bad at this point.  You will need to buy two of these for $440 if you want the system to run with the max four-channel memory but be sure to populate each DIMM in a separate channel to get the maximum benefit.  Note that CPU-Z for Windows will let you confirm how many channels you’re running though I’m not sure about a Mac equivalent applet but I’ll update if I find out.

The hard drives can be replaced with any 3.5″ SATA hard drive and you can usually buy two 500 GB Seagate hard drives for $240 and put them in a RAID-1 configuration.  This does mean that you’ll either need to leave your OS on the single 320 GB hard drive or you’ll need to manually move the OS to the 500 GB RAID-1 volume which makes the OS boot faster.

Now you have a 2.8 GHz Mac Pro for less than $3800 with all the trimmings which makes it the cheapest high-end workstation on the market.  It’s still possible to get a great PC 2.33 GHz dual-processor workstation for less than $2400 but the high-end belongs to Apple.  However, it’s not really practical to build a lower-end Mac Pro since I’ve got it stripped down to the bone so Apple still has plenty of profit to make even if you don’t buy their outrageous components.  The bottom line is that Mac users can get a much better deal on Mac Pros than at the beginning of this month.

Update 10:30AM
If you’re installing Boot Camp and Windows, do the installation after you set up the RAID-1 volume.  You will need these drivers from Intel’s website for Windows XP, Vista, and Server.  If you don’t want to spend $3700 and you can live with a perfectly good dual-processor 2.33 GHz workstation for $2370 which has the same 5400 series chipset.  Apple seems to have figured out the perfect strategy to keep a high margin yet keep you from building a cheaper clone with exact specifications.

George Ou is Technical Director of ZDNet. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Adding third party memory and drives
The Mac Pro comes with instructions with pictures so that your mother
could add a drive or memory to a Mac Pro. It is designed to be easy. Not
even similar to effort required to do this in a... (Read the rest)
Posted by: rickbarretttx Posted on: 03/09/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Indeed but not at $3000  s_souche | 01/28/08
Can't say I see a lot in your post to complain about..DARN!  James Quinn | 01/28/08
I can find a big- and easy - complaint  JoeBob_z | 02/01/08
You can make up whatever you want.  rtk | 02/01/08
Video...  mrOSX | 01/28/08
need to check with apple  s_souche | 01/28/08
8800GT is a great gaming card, odd choice for a workstation... (NT)  mlambert890@... | 01/28/08
is it even possible to buy a workstation video card in the macpro? (NT)  batres | 02/01/08
Thanks for the response.  mrOSX | 01/29/08
Quadro / FireGL for Workstations (if PC based)  Scrat | 01/28/08
spot on!  mlambert890@... | 01/28/08
To rehash my previous statement  nucrash | 01/28/08
You are correct sir....  James Quinn | 01/28/08
Intel is just as guilty of this  nucrash | 01/28/08
Erm....  Spiritusindomit@... | 01/28/08
sun Ultra 40 M2 is $4900 not $1900  s_souche | 01/29/08
While the starting price..  msalzberg | 01/29/08
You are correct, but one thing is different this time.  georgeou | 01/28/08
but...  doh123 | 01/28/08
It was much more expensive than building a clone back then  georgeou | 01/28/08
thats not true  doh123 | 01/28/08
The last Mac Pro refresh was the same way.  nucrash | 01/28/08
The First Commandment  frgough | 01/28/08
The Second Commandment  nucrash | 01/28/08
The Third Commandment  nucrash | 01/28/08
How is the average user supposed to know this?  NonZealot | 01/28/08
I don't know of many "Average" users buying  James Quinn | 01/28/08
Buyer Beware  voska1 | 01/28/08
This is a different situation  NonZealot | 01/28/08
who said DIY anything was bad?  Tigertank | 01/28/08
It's a regular argument  voska1 | 01/28/08
It's a regular argument? From who?  rameeti | 01/28/08
Same stuff you hear on message boards over the decades  voska1 | 01/28/08
Um, well, NO, actually  MarcB_z | 01/28/08
Not true...  pwg999 | 01/28/08
Why would anyone...?  vulpine@... | 01/28/08
Sheesh you apple nuts are nuts  voska1 | 01/28/08
typical.  Tigertank | 01/28/08
Huh?  Axsimulate | 01/30/08
Memory and Drives  danson@... | 01/28/08
May I translate?  NonZealot | 01/28/08
I don't think you need to open the case  voska1 | 01/28/08
Right  MarcB_z | 01/28/08
Weak point  dave95. | 01/28/08
Perhaps, NZ is using  jacarter3 | 01/29/08
its called  richvball44 | 01/29/08
Canned Beans?  Cayble | 02/03/08
If you do now know you can buy third party memory  Michael Kelly | 01/28/08
Mac Pro users  djchandler | 01/28/08
Can use up to 4 video cards  j.m.galvin | 01/29/08
Research  nucrash | 01/28/08
Adding memory/hard-drives is not building a computer DIY style.  Bruizer | 02/02/08
Adding third party memory and drives  rickbarretttx | 03/09/08
Outfits actually do buy the installed extras  j.m.galvin | 01/28/08
Why would you replace the base RAM and HD?  j.m.galvin | 01/28/08
5400 chipset is four channel  s_souche | 01/28/08
I still don't understand  j.m.galvin | 01/28/08
Memory modules have to be indentical  s_souche | 01/28/08
Somebody doesn't seem to know how to read.  vulpine@... | 01/28/08
What happ[ens to your AppleCare Warranty  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 01/28/08
Nothing  j.m.galvin | 01/28/08
Gee I wonder what this page from Apple is for...  mrOSX | 01/28/08
Gee I wonder what this Crucial page is for  xhpconsultant | 01/28/08
My response was related to the statement...  mrOSX | 01/29/08
Expansion  vulpine@... | 01/28/08
Technically it could be a problem but unless you are  James Quinn | 01/28/08
You are covered by the Magnusson-Moss act  fazalmajid | 01/28/08
remove it  richvball44 | 01/30/08
apple warrenty suck  dave@... | 01/28/08
It may be the cheapest...  D. T. Schmitz | 01/28/08
Nice!!  NonZealot | 01/28/08
Dongle Boy able to spout nonsense is a otherwise  James Quinn | 01/28/08
Here is proof, boys and girls  MarcB_z | 01/28/08
I bet he's BLIND!  James Quinn | 01/28/08
I see..  msalzberg | 01/28/08
Tell us your troubles  D. T. Schmitz | 01/28/08
Look, everyone!  msalzberg | 01/29/08
Have you figured out what a dongle really is?  Bruizer | 02/02/08
That's how it works, most Mac users buy RAM and HDDs 3rd party. [nt]  olePigeon | 01/28/08
I told you so...  t_mohajir | 01/28/08
This wasn't true last time  georgeou | 01/28/08
They were pretty close  t_mohajir | 01/28/08
Hey George, check out this tidbit on RAM...  olePigeon | 01/28/08
Ram is ram  georgeou | 01/28/08
One note  j.m.galvin | 01/28/08
Do you have a price for their memory?  georgeou | 01/28/08
Here  j.m.galvin | 01/28/08
You don't mix 1GB with 2GB  georgeou | 01/28/08
$220 for 4GB from OWC  davebarnes | 01/28/08
thanks  georgeou | 01/28/08
As long as it has the heatsinks  t_mohajir | 01/28/08
yes....  doh123 | 01/28/08
RE: Think aftermarket upgrades with laptops.  thomasderk@... | 01/28/08
Norton Ghost?  vulpine@... | 01/28/08
Message has been deleted.  steveballmerh@... | 01/28/08
George, ignore the troll.  Grayson Peddie | 01/28/08
I read it and it wasn't offensive, he was just joking  georgeou | 01/28/08
I'm confused!  manmicrosoft@... | 01/28/08
But he isn't a Moderator  nucrash | 01/29/08
Workstation actually built for S3353  brick@... | 01/28/08
Excellent, glad you got a great deal  georgeou | 01/28/08
One thing...  zkiwi | 01/28/08
I've always posted the straight scoop on Apple  georgeou | 01/28/08
666?  zkiwi | 01/28/08
Yeah, I noticed that number  georgeou | 01/28/08
Good to see you with a sense of humor when responding to personal attacks!  NonZealot | 01/28/08
Must. Stop. Laughing.  msalzberg | 01/28/08
That's my experience...  mikifinaz1@... | 01/28/08
I wonder why we think Mac owners are immature?  NonZealot | 01/28/08
Pot...Kettle. Kettle....Pot.  James Quinn | 01/29/08
You can't be inferring...  msalzberg | 01/29/08
Can't. Catch. My. Breath.  msalzberg | 01/29/08
Not the cheapest by far!  manmicrosoft@... | 01/28/08
Of course it is possible to build a cheaper generic PC  zpdixon 42 | 01/28/08
I said equivalent, and you didn't use the same CPU  georgeou | 01/28/08
No pb  zpdixon 42 | 01/29/08
You missed something  s_souche | 01/29/08
Intel suffers from low yields or is capacity-constrained  zpdixon 42 | 01/29/08
It always takes time to ramp up volume production  georgeou | 02/08/08
IEEE 1394  djchandler | 01/28/08
Better & cheaper mobo with firewire + 3rd Gbe + twice as many memory slots  zpdixon 42 | 01/29/08
STILL WRONG  johnpall@... | 01/29/08
Win XP Pro for $132 USD  davebarnes | 01/29/08
I already answered that.  zpdixon 42 | 01/29/08
RE: Mac Pro is now the cheapest high-end workstation  celtxian | 01/29/08
As long as Jobs knows you are pissed off!  NonZealot | 01/29/08
Do you do this on purpose or just a blind spot?  James Quinn | 01/29/08
Curious if the 25% ..  msalzberg | 01/29/08
You included VAT in your price  j.m.galvin | 01/29/08
in the real world  coffeeshark | 01/29/08
George has fallen for the same trap that most Mac reviewers fall for  NonZealot | 01/29/08
Wrong again... sigh. Fish...barrel. Barrel.....fish.  James Quinn | 01/29/08
Bull, George said they couldn't DIY it without paying more.  ajole | 01/29/08
Really?  Rick_K | 01/29/08
Yes, Really!  ajole | 01/29/08
Non-Mac world?  Tigertank | 01/30/08
Ever buy a car?  msalzberg | 01/30/08
Really odd for you to say that.  Rick_K | 01/29/08
Actually, you can remove them.  ajole | 01/29/08
Not true at all.  Rick_K | 01/31/08
I never said I wouldn't build my own or I would buy Mac Pro  georgeou | 01/30/08
RAID-1 in OS X and Windows?  rich@... | 01/29/08
All these motherboards have RAID built-in  georgeou | 01/30/08
That doesn't answer my question...  rich@... | 01/30/08
I never implied you were incompetent  georgeou | 01/30/08
We set it up in OS X  JoeBob_z | 02/01/08
Bootcamp is a boot loader  Aerial | 02/18/08
Sorry for garbled post above  Aerial | 02/18/08
You don't know what Mac users do?  Aerial | 02/18/08
That's 10 MB for $700  Aerial | 02/18/08

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