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September 14th, 2005

Microsoft Office versus Open Office shootout

Posted by George Ou @ 3:27 am

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[Updated 9/15/2005 12:00PM: Added Open Office Beta2 results] When I started this blog questioning the wisdom of XML, it started a storm of comments and was followed up by fellow bloggers John Carroll and Joe McKendrick.  Since my response "Proof that XML is extremely bloated" appeared last week, I got a lot of talkback complaining that I was only testing Microsoft Excel and not Open Office Calc.  ZDNet reader Yagotta B. Kidding took it upon himself to do some testing with Open Office but he stopped testing when he reached a file half the size of my 16-sheet XML file, yet his results were even slower than my Excel results.  I requested that Kidding provide the results for the identical 16-sheet file, but he declined and wouldn’t provide a specific reason.  This, of course, sparked my curiosity, so I did some additional research.

We even had some conspiracy theorists like figgle that went as far as saying "If I was a bit more paranoid I might think that Microsoft deliberately de-optimized their ‘open format’ file loaders."  The only problem with that theory is that Microsoft doesn’t even support Open Office file formats, and there would be no reason to deliberately reduce the speed of its own XML document because Microsoft is committing to XML in the next release of Microsoft Office.  I guess figgle has never tried doing the same thing with Open Office Calc because he would really start breaking out the conspiracy theories.

Others like George Jay resorted to the knee jerk reaction that "Perhaps we should avoid using Windows because it too is bloated".  Not only is it not true, my Windows XP machine boots up in 30 seconds from a cold start to post login, and Microsoft Excel loads in under 2 seconds the first time without the office pre-loader cheat installed.  I can even run Windows XP and Office 2003 on a PC with 64-MBs of RAM.  This is less than some individual Java applications require and any modern Linux distribution takes nearly a full minute to boot on identical hardware using the default installation.  Jay responded by saying that bloat isn’t defined by load times and insinuated that Microsoft only loads fast.  The problem with Jay’s theory is that Microsoft Office loads fast, reads and writes data fast, and keeps a smaller memory foot print from start to finish.

I like free software as much as the next guy and I had never intended to do a Microsoft Office versus Open Office shootout because it really isn’t a fair comparison when development budgets are taken in to account.  Open Office development is supported by donations while Microsoft Office is supported by a massive commercial software development budget.  Open Office is the cream of the crop as far as free software goes, but I couldn’t stand idly by while so many people make patently false statements about Microsoft Windows and Office bloat.  I decided to do this shootout of Microsoft Excel versus Open Office Calc on my own desktop PC so that the hardware parameters are identical.  As with any good scientific tests, the methodology must be fully disclosed so that it is repeatable.  You can download this compressed 16-sheet MS-XML file and run the tests on your own.  For Open Office users, download this 16-sheet SXC compressed XML file.

Methodology:

  • Test spreadsheet performance of Microsoft Excel and Open Office Calc on identical hardware with identical 16-sheet sample.
  • Test various spreadsheet data file formats like Microsoft XLS, Microsoft XML, Microsoft Zipped XML, Open Office SXC compressed XML.
  • Record memory utilization of Excel and Calc.
  • Record file creation and file load times.
  • Record file sizes.

Hardware test bed:

  • Intel Pentium 4 3.4 GHz with Hyperthreading enabled
  • FSB 800 with 1 GB DDR 400 MHz RAM
  • NVIDIA Geforce 6800 OC
  • Two SATA Seagate 160 GB 7200 RPM Hard Drive (test files non-OS drive)

Software test bed:

  • Windows XP Professional with SP2 plus all critical updates
  • Microsoft Office 2003 Professional full installation
  • Open Office 1.1.4 Win32 stable custom default installation (Java disabled)
  • Open Office 1.9.125 Win32 full installation

Memory utilization results:

Application and state Memory KB
Excel minimized to task bar 1,304
Excel maximized to desktop 7,900
Excel with XML file loaded 41,980
Excel after closing XML file 7,900
Calc minimized to task bar 2,304
Calc maximized to desktop 28,484
Calc with native SXC loaded 225,872
Calc after closing SXC file 55,642
Calc Beta2 minimized 4,720
Calc Beta2 maximized 38,320
Calc Beta2 w/SXC opened 234,784
Calc Beta2 after SXC closed 113,680
Calc Beta2 w/ODS opened 240,648
Calc Beta2 after ODS closed 85,620

File creation time results:

Task File creation File load
Calc creating native SXC 98 sec 102 sec
Excel creating native XLS 1 sec 2 sec
Calc exporting to XLS 75 sec 13 sec
Excel creating Microsoft XML 10 sec 36 sec
MS XML ZIP compression 5 sec 9 sec
Compressed MS XML total time 15 sec 45 sec
Calc Beta2 with SXC 169 sec 162 sec
Calc Beta2 with ODS 112 sec 138 sec

File size results:

File type Size KB
Calc SXC 3,683
Excel XLS 50,955
Calc XLS 62,823
Excel XML 192,892
Excel zipped XML 3,283
Calc Beta2 ODS 3,952

Conclusion:
XML documents are not only slow with Microsoft Excel, but even slower with Open Office compressed XML documents.  Even combining Excel XML creation and ZIP compression times, Excel was substantially faster than Open Office Calc.  Here is a break down of the results:

Task Creation speed Load speed
Excel creating native XLS baseline baseline
Calc creating native SXC 98 x slower 51 x slower
Calc exporting to XLS 75 x slower 6.5 x slower
Excel creating Microsoft XML 10 x slower 18 x slower
MS XML ZIP compression 5 x slower 4.5 x slower
Compressed MS XML total time 15 x slower 22.5 x slower
Calc Beta2 creating SXC 169 x slower 81 x slower
Calc Beta2 creating native ODS 112 x slower 69 x slower

As nice as Open Office Calc is for a free application, it doesn’t even come close to the performance and usability of Microsoft Office Excel.  There is no shame in losing to a commercially funded application, but no one should make false statements that Microsoft Office is bloated and inferior.  The only remaining question for businesses and homes is whether Excel is worth the money and most have apparently decided yes.

It is well known even by XML proponents that processing XML files are slow.  When a certain technology scales poorly and runs slow on the desktop, it also scales poorly and runs slow on a server.  When software is slowed down by more than an order of magnitude, it is clear that XML will always knock application performance back 10 years no matter how fast our hardware gets.  Most computer users would pay a huge premium for hardware that is 2 times faster, so why would they want software that was up to 98 times slower?  The next time your computer is crawling along, just blame the XML bloat monster.

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To win users other platforms are irrelevant...
This argument is not very good. OO is cross-platform, but what in that for an average windows user? Who cares? To make difference, it needs to beat or at least match, or at least come close to, MS Office on Windows. It does not do that at the moment.... (Read the rest)
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Begs the question  Real World | 09/14/05
Strategy  quietLee | 09/14/05
Not really XML  Roger Ramjet | 09/14/05
I'll like to see that Patent Application  JJ_z | 09/14/05
You really think so?  figgle | 09/14/05
Not quite  rapson | 09/14/05
Message has been deleted.  Wagadonga | 09/14/05
DELIBERATELY OBTUSE  Robert Crocker | 09/14/05
Nope  quietLee | 09/14/05
Not sure I see the link  voska | 09/14/05
Sorry  quietLee | 09/14/05
Fresh straw for the pile?  Robert Crocker | 09/14/05
Please re-read George's very Original Post  JJ_z | 09/14/05
George's original post was wrong too  Robert Crocker | 09/14/05
Please re-read his post again  JJ_z | 09/14/05
I don't see how Massachusetts  Michael Kelly | 09/14/05
those users you speak of..  Monkey_MCSE | 09/14/05
Keep your bad straw, I like mine better  quietLee | 09/14/05
costing more?  nachokb | 09/15/05
performance and bloat are always serious issues  balsover | 09/14/05
Waste of time  uno@... | 09/14/05
market share dictates format relevance  george_ou | 09/14/05
some things  nachokb | 09/15/05
So someone is going to come steal my copy of Office?  george_ou | 09/15/05
perhaps  nachokb | 09/15/05
Is data portability really the issue  steven.stewart@... | 09/14/05
from a business pov, of course  nachokb | 09/15/05
I'll second Rob Crocker's post  whisperycat | 09/14/05
Sigh  quietLee | 09/14/05
Why does he have to upgrade ?  JJ_z | 09/14/05
I'll upgrade to vista maybe 5 years from now.  Protector | 09/14/05
Excellent Point JJ  itanalyst | 09/14/05
Heaven forbid someone criticizes Open Office  John Zern | 09/14/05
Vista will be faster  george_ou | 09/14/05
Somehow I doubt that  Robert Crocker | 09/14/05
You're wrong  george_ou | 09/14/05
Question for you George..  Monkey_MCSE | 09/14/05
errr, hit submit before typing the stats of the PC  Monkey_MCSE | 09/14/05
I'm not embellishing the numbers here  george_ou | 09/14/05
i am going to call BS...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/15/05
You're not tuning it right then  george_ou | 09/15/05
That is believable George  osreinstall | 09/15/05
It is the same  osreinstall | 09/15/05
Dead mappings are freaking horrible  george_ou | 09/15/05
I'm call BS  voska | 09/14/05
Actually...no.  lawryll@... | 09/14/05
Maybe I'll second the BS call  jacarter3 | 09/14/05
What Hardware are you guys running to be so slow ?  JJ_z | 09/14/05
mjb pegged it...  jacarter3 | 09/14/05
Dude, blame your admin  Real World | 09/14/05
Depends on your configuration  Real World | 09/14/05
My windows load times  CobraA1 | 09/14/05
Comparison...  lawryll@... | 09/14/05
probably the POST  CobraA1 | 09/14/05
Try MSCONFIG  george_ou | 09/14/05
Not according to MS  voska | 09/14/05
You don't know what you're talking about  george_ou | 09/14/05
No chance you have  Real World | 09/14/05
No  george_ou | 09/14/05
Joined to a domain  Real World | 09/14/05
This is home computer so non-domain  george_ou | 09/14/05
I think it is much more configuration-specific  Real World | 09/14/05
I question their use of Pentium  Patrick Jones | 09/14/05
Pentium 233 MMX did exist  george_ou | 09/14/05
I still wouldn't want to run XP on it  Patrick Jones | 09/14/05
I agree...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
Which windows 2000 are you talking about?  jesusbits2@... | 09/17/05
Windows on 64 megs of ram  ju1ce | 09/14/05
64 MB is not the point  george_ou | 09/14/05
Windows, Office Bloat  ju1ce | 09/14/05
No, they're bloated. You're just arguing the wrong point.  olePigeon | 09/15/05
This is absolute nonsense!  george_ou | 09/15/05
BS - Your 'results' are DIRECTLY CAUSED by 64MB.  Rick S._z | 09/17/05
Run the tests you're self then and show me how to do it "right"  george_ou | 09/17/05
64Bit 3500 over here  ju1ce | 09/14/05
64 megs is the listed requirement  balsover | 09/14/05
Nope, all inclusive  george_ou | 09/14/05
What Piece of Crap Are You Using?  charlesgoff | 09/15/05
Sorry Voska, George is right.  Someguy2 | 09/15/05
A couple of things  Roger Ramjet | 09/14/05
Where are the leaks?  george_ou | 09/14/05
Up for a year...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
Don't have any .net apps  george_ou | 09/14/05
Nothing to worry about then...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
He was stating that 'Office' had the leaks  balsover | 09/14/05
In defence to George  ju1ce | 09/14/05
up for a year? ouch!!  jesusbits2@... | 09/14/05
Not that it's recommended, but they didn't patch  george_ou | 09/14/05
on the subject of bloat  CobraA1 | 09/14/05
bloat?  dpcguy | 09/14/05
Ummm  Yensi717 | 09/14/05
About Java  CobraA1 | 09/14/05
Java is not MS's fault  balsover | 09/14/05
One little quibble  Michael Kelly | 09/14/05
Huh? Um...no.  lawryll@... | 09/14/05
Well, you doubt my claims  Michael Kelly | 09/14/05
Just go to CompUSA  lawryll@... | 09/14/05
Couple of points...  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/14/05
So you agree with me?  lawryll@... | 09/14/05
You probably have more running in the back ground than you think  balsover | 09/14/05
I'm pretty aware of what's on my system  Michael Kelly | 09/14/05
Windows Firewall...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
WinXP SP2 FW is not junk  george_ou | 09/14/05
Windows XP SP2 Firewall...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
Just to mention...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
Wireless is my arena  george_ou | 09/14/05
So again...  ju1ce | 09/15/05
Re: WinXP SP2 FW is not junk  none none | 09/14/05
Then you don't know much  george_ou | 09/14/05
No, that's just you  george_ou | 09/14/05
Just don't say it's Norton's...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
Norton is a major dog  balsover | 09/14/05
Newbs, and Stubborn Users...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
I understand that  Michael Kelly | 09/14/05
Hilarious...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
Damn, it hurts buts it's true...  ARyKaXaN | 09/14/05
Well at least you're honest  george_ou | 09/14/05
Native...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
Here's An Interesting Question  itanalyst | 09/14/05
if all the features your need are in open office....  JoeMama_z | 09/14/05
Amen!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
Perhaps most users aren't as limited as you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
Can You Ever Reply With An Intelligent Answer?  itanalyst | 09/14/05
Can you ever be honest in your statement/questions.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
Do your own leg work  balsover | 09/14/05
That's being a little obtuse  voska | 09/14/05
Not at all... Pay close attention now.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
Question..  Patrick Jones | 09/14/05
OO is free and runs on Windows  george_ou | 09/14/05
I do  voska | 09/14/05
Good question  Patrick Jones | 09/14/05
Don't need to buy it at home if you have it at work  george_ou | 09/14/05
True  Patrick Jones | 09/14/05
You mean StarOffie...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
Maybe  Patrick Jones | 09/14/05
I have seen Star Office in stores.  balsover | 09/14/05
Now you know  george_ou | 09/14/05
Thanks  Patrick Jones | 09/14/05
I don't think they can take it away  george_ou | 09/14/05
MS Word's indispensible feature  Someguy2 | 09/15/05
OO in linux  mrhoyt4 | 09/16/05
COMPLETELY UNRELATED COMMENT GEORGE  Valis Keogh | 09/14/05
George, why are you ignoring saving in binary?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
Not ignoring  george_ou | 09/14/05
On that I agree.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
Legitimate needs  Patrick Jones | 09/14/05
That is not true FUDdy-duddy !  osreinstall | 09/15/05
But they're migrating  george_ou | 09/14/05
Defaults can be changed back through system settings  Michael Kelly | 09/14/05
Not a question, it's FUD  george_ou | 09/14/05
OOo1 vs. OOo2  Michael Kelly | 09/14/05
I'm going to add OO 2.0 Beta results  george_ou | 09/14/05
I'm gonna have to agree with this...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
Please check your assumptions  palmwarrior | 09/14/05
Actually, I should have used a bigger file  george_ou | 09/14/05
In my experience  rapson | 09/14/05
Interoperability shootout?  Robert Crocker | 09/14/05
What makes you think XLS will be obsolete in 10 years  george_ou | 09/14/05
What did you use 10 years ago?  Robert Crocker | 09/14/05
Lotus and Access file formats  balsover | 09/14/05
Gere, seems it's been around a lot longer than 10 years.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
Office 2003?  Robert Crocker | 09/14/05
I might  george_ou | 09/14/05
I have the Office 95 CD  balsover | 09/14/05
Office 4.3 Pro  Robert Crocker | 09/15/05
Then load an old copy of Office 95 if you need to  balsover | 09/15/05
Who cares, MS provides free converters.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
And if Microsoft no longer exists?  Patrick Jones | 09/14/05
Then someone else will license the file format  balsover | 09/15/05
My money is on MS for backward compatibility.  osreinstall | 09/15/05
Ok, you got me....  figgle | 09/14/05
Sorry for typo  george_ou | 09/14/05
Speed  georgep_z | 09/14/05
That's bull  george_ou | 09/14/05
Also bull  Anti_Zealot | 09/14/05
Linux gets hacked more  george_ou | 09/14/05
How DARE you speak the truth!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
Are you talking about  Real World | 09/14/05
Live published exploits  george_ou | 09/14/05
George  Real World | 09/14/05
Worms are good for security  george_ou | 09/14/05
Mugging good for security?  Robert Crocker | 09/14/05
Good point Robert.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
Re: Worms are good for security  Real World | 09/15/05
Hello, that is an application not an OS!  crash89 | 09/15/05
Depends how you set it up.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
No  Real World | 09/14/05
According to George Ou's blog  Anti_Zealot | 09/14/05
Exactly the point here...  JJ_z | 09/14/05
?  Anti_Zealot | 09/14/05
A joke right?  Richard Flude | 09/14/05
Pretty awful analysis George  Fred Fredrickson | 09/14/05
That depends on what is your view point  JJ_z | 09/14/05
Never did that...  Anti_Zealot | 09/14/05
Can you cite examples?  crash89 | 09/15/05
What a world you live in!  georgep_z | 09/15/05
A minor remark  Anti_Zealot | 09/14/05
No cache installed  george_ou | 09/14/05
MS Office will most deffinilty be faster...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
I didn't really test load times  george_ou | 09/14/05
Load times...  ju1ce | 09/15/05
According to what I just read...  Anti_Zealot | 09/14/05
Can the moderators please delete the parent post? (nt)  Anti_Zealot | 09/14/05
10 minute boot up time  ju1ce | 09/14/05
A 233 what?  balsover | 09/14/05
Learn your stuff before you ignoantly post  fireman949 | 09/30/05
Fabulous article  zzz1234567890 | 09/14/05
Great response...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
Native Code naturally runs faster  poocow666 | 09/14/05
Correct...  ju1ce | 09/14/05
Office is not preloaded  george_ou | 09/14/05
The objects are.. Ever heard of Windows API? (NT)  ju1ce | 09/14/05
Anything can use Windows API  george_ou | 09/14/05
Yes, in fact every Windows developer uses them.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
Actually...  ju1ce | 09/15/05
.NET bloat  Anti_Zealot | 09/15/05
Although I agree with your sentiment...  ju1ce | 09/15/05
Your point???  Anti_Zealot | 09/15/05
Point is...  ju1ce | 09/15/05
Got it  Anti_Zealot | 09/15/05
Makes the point that cross-platform is LCD  Mark Miller | 09/14/05
I think MS Office runs faster under Linux  george_ou | 09/14/05
Oh, that spanking has got to hurt.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
wrong  cmoya | 09/15/05
Java is dog slow, but it wasn't used in this test  george_ou | 09/17/05
Linux runs slower than Windows on equal machines.  osreinstall | 09/16/05
Speed of Windows vs speed of Linux  NonZealot | 09/14/05
It's set up wrong  george_ou | 09/14/05
Are you for real?  B.O.F.H. | 09/14/05
No I'm not  george_ou | 09/14/05
no they don't  jesusbits2@... | 09/15/05
You, sir, are a depicable liar  Someguy2 | 09/15/05
Linux (like other Unix like OS's) is multiuser/multitasking  B.O.F.H. | 09/15/05
XML Bloat monster  PoisonPill | 09/14/05
Compression time and parse time still kills  george_ou | 09/14/05
RE: xml  PoisonPill | 09/14/05
This is pretty much what I was asking for  george_ou | 09/14/05
ooffice is faster on linux  the_slash | 09/14/05
I never compared OO and MSO load times  george_ou | 09/14/05
RE:I never compared OO and MSO load times  sir_cheats_a_lot | 09/20/05
George is at it again  Richard Flude | 09/14/05
Don't start that again  george_ou | 09/14/05
I wouldn't dare;-)  Richard Flude | 09/14/05
You already have  george_ou | 09/14/05
Have I?  Richard Flude | 09/14/05
Yes, you're spinning this  george_ou | 09/15/05
Interesting  Richard Flude | 09/15/05
From a front-end user perspective...  ju1ce | 09/15/05
COnversions...  ju1ce | 09/15/05
Never really noticed that  Anti_Zealot | 09/15/05
Unless it's just me...  ju1ce | 09/15/05
George, haw DARE you present data that doesn't praise the glory of OO?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/14/05
The discussion on XML...  Anti_Zealot | 09/15/05
Nice Troll  mobrien_12@... | 09/16/05
Are you kidding!  osreinstall | 09/17/05
$64,000 Question  ryxr30 | 09/14/05
Don't know why  george_ou | 09/14/05
FYI for you George  jcs26 | 09/16/05
Quickstart not loaded  george_ou | 09/16/05
Take your pick...  Anti_Zealot | 09/15/05
Or maybe...  JJ_z | 09/15/05
Opera vs IE  alokgovil | 09/14/05
I might have to look in to that  george_ou | 09/15/05
I hate to agree but...  Colonel_Panic | 09/14/05
You still "push" inferior products?  george_ou | 09/15/05
At this point...  ju1ce | 09/15/05
Most people  georgep_z | 09/15/05
Who is MS Office inferior to?  george_ou | 09/15/05
No reference to Office  georgep_z | 09/16/05
it has always been inferior  mnishiza | 03/08/06
Let's see George, if you built your own system...  Colonel_Panic | 09/15/05
You're exagerating the costs  george_ou | 09/15/05
Umm, George, we don't get sweet deals...  Colonel_Panic | 09/16/05
Canadians, lol  george_ou | 09/16/05
so  mnishiza | 03/08/06
don't mind paying?  sir_cheats_a_lot | 09/20/05
I can respect that...  JJ_z | 09/15/05
Simply a bad review  gametekus | 09/15/05
Open Office on Windows is not emulation  george_ou | 09/15/05
it's not faster  mnishiza | 03/08/06
You should be comparing it with OpenOffice.org 2  Someguy2 | 09/15/05
Done  george_ou | 09/15/05
Sorry Voska, George is right.  Someguy2 | 09/15/05
Fast Load times of Windows OS  oosai@... | 09/15/05
Not talking about application load time  george_ou | 09/15/05
Thanks George for misquoting me  George Jay | 09/15/05
Conclusion ?  Update victim | 09/15/05
Office is not usually bundled  george_ou | 09/15/05
Because MS-Office is a monopoly (NT)  George Jay | 09/15/05
It is?  rapson | 09/15/05
Microsoft was declared a monopoly  George Jay | 09/15/05
Sorry, but illogical  Mark Miller | 09/16/05
Sorry, but wrong  georgep_z | 09/16/05
MS Monopoly ruling  jg1013 | 09/17/05
Had this discussion before  Mark Miller | 09/16/05
Antivirus for Windows  Someguy2 | 09/15/05
Unable to open file presented?  SgtMuffles | 09/15/05
You can't open that file from Open Office  george_ou | 09/15/05
I posted the SXC  george_ou | 09/16/05
Strange, it auto-renames .sxc to .zip  george_ou | 09/16/05
Not at all strange  osreinstall | 09/16/05
OO-Calc is Slower (Now) - But Gnumeric Faster  trainmaster | 09/16/05
Commercial Prods Include "TextMaker"  trainmaster | 09/16/05
XML?  mobrien_12@... | 09/16/05
But Gnumeric is not compatible with Excel...  ssxm | 01/14/07
Do you spend all your time LOADING files?  Tsu Dho Nimh | 09/17/05
Do you spend all your time making excuses?  george_ou | 09/17/05
What's irrevelent is this debate  IQ9 | 09/17/05
Why this isn't very relevant  Interfecus | 09/17/05
A lot of people would have to be shot then  george_ou | 09/17/05
George was so childish!  bigbadguy | 09/18/05
The bigger they are the harder they whine.  osreinstall | 09/18/05
A matter of values  Interfecus | 09/19/05
You need to compare Office and OOo on Linux  mintSlice | 09/18/05
To win users other platforms are irrelevant...  ssxm | 01/14/07
Slight problem: OO 2 isn't out yet ..  cheros | 09/20/05
OOo Beta2 was by request  george_ou | 10/05/05
Don't kid yourselves.......  julee.denton@... | 09/29/05
Can longer load-save times be a better thing?  Mitch 74 | 10/05/05
MS Office is very stable; you don't know what you're talking about  george_ou | 10/05/05
ridiculous comparison  mnishiza | 03/08/06

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