Minor quibble on conclusions
palmwarrior | 09/27/05
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I said "but seems to be maturing"
george_ou | 09/27/05
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Weasel Words 101
druid_z | 09/27/05
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Note IE
cashaww | 09/30/05
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MAJOR quibble on conclusions...
figgle | 09/27/05
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No one else confirms this
george_ou | 09/27/05
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Please stop with eEye
IT Scion | 09/27/05
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Do you really want to trust a company tha has testified before Congress?
B.O.F.H. | 09/28/05
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Firefox still rules !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm Ye, the MS SHILL . | 09/27/05
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Minor quibble on conclusions
pjones | 09/28/05
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Knowns
halfmute | 09/28/05
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Firefox young
tero_t_vaananen@... | 09/27/05
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Doesn't matter
Arthas | 09/27/05
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I agree
bobiroc | 09/27/05
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2 reasons
ddabinett | 09/27/05
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Keh?
Stephen Wheeler | 09/27/05
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On the contrary, ...
ShadeTree | 09/27/05
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I see
Stephen Wheeler | 09/27/05
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Put sales speeches aside
tero_t_vaananen@... | 09/28/05
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And yet
CobraA1 | 09/27/05
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Why?
ye | 09/27/05
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Age Not A Factor
zztong | 09/27/05
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Firefox Young
tBuggR | 09/29/05
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IE still allows for drive-by spyware installs...
BitTwiddler | 09/27/05
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and no one else will make this point
Nullifidian | 09/27/05
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Not really
IT Scion | 09/27/05
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But there is a problem with this logic.
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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No tweaking required other than
IT Scion | 09/27/05
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Precisely the problem.....
Quiet_Type | 09/27/05
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Precisely [
s_gamgee | 09/28/05
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Exactly
crashoverride | 09/28/05
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Can I
cashaww | 09/30/05
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Every "normal user" machine I see has spyware...
figgle | 09/27/05
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But...
rapson | 09/27/05
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It's the same thing
figgle | 09/28/05
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I just cleaned a computer last night...
ju1ce | 09/27/05
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Just exactly how did you uninstall IE?(nt)
ShadeTree | 09/27/05
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Grain of salt...
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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Bovine Excriment
Trevor_G | 09/27/05
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Canine Feces
Taz_z | 09/27/05
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The point I have been harping on
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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Yep.
figgle | 09/28/05
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Firefox user got spyware
benellism90 | 09/28/05
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Adblock is the biggest Mozilla factor
rick752 | 11/30/05
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NO!
cashaww | 09/30/05
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Opera browser!
jesusbits2@... | 09/27/05
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Another "security by obscurity" screamer
ejhonda | 09/27/05
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Spot On...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/27/05
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No axe
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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Call it what you want...
Taz_z | 09/27/05
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New?
Yensi717 | 09/27/05
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Opera 8.5
pvantine | 09/27/05
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No ad banner!
jerushy44 | 09/29/05
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I'll cover that next
george_ou | 09/27/05
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Although it may be the most secure of them all....
ju1ce | 09/27/05
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Yes, but FF screws up some pages too
george_ou | 09/27/05
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Just wait till you use opera...
ju1ce | 09/27/05
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Actually, Opera and FF don't screw up the pages...
NetArch. | 09/28/05
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You may have bad code if the page breaks in FF and Opera.
B.O.F.H. | 09/28/05
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Opera browser
thecoop@... | 09/27/05
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Table is confusing
rpmyers1 | 09/27/05
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Unpatched for Extreme, High, or Moderate
george_ou | 09/27/05
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Any security issues should be major!!
orlando@... | 09/27/05
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Read the same thing???
jcs26 | 09/27/05
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Revisiting the issue
markgros@... | 09/27/05
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As loath as I am to use car analogies...
jbroche18 | 09/27/05
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You forgot something...
Taz_z | 09/27/05
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Yes, security is a big issue
benellism90 | 09/28/05
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Just not detailed enough to draw conclusions
george_ou | 09/27/05
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Neither can claim victory?
markgros@... | 09/27/05
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which is whyI tell people chose Firefox
Feldon | 09/27/05
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Oh please. Lets not exaggerate.
DpuTiger | 09/27/05
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Stability
IT Scion | 09/27/05
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The past
IT Scion | 09/27/05
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Well yes and NO!
Laff | 09/27/05
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Not true
rapson | 09/27/05
|
  
Beta Testers
Trevor_G | 09/27/05
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We're all beta testers
WiredGuy | 09/28/05
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Re: Well yes and NO!
none none | 09/27/05
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Actually
IT Scion | 09/27/05
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Carl and IT...so what is fair?
Laff | 09/27/05
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Fairness is relative
rapson | 09/27/05
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Obviously you've never met my relatives...:)
Laff | 09/27/05
|
    
In the end
IT Scion | 09/27/05
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Gee anyway you look at it...
thetargos | 09/29/05
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Just 1 or 2 years old??
benellism90 | 09/28/05
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Minor point
rapson | 09/27/05
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Re: Neither can claim victory?
aalva66 | 09/27/05
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Strangely
Robert Crocker | 09/27/05
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You missed the part
IT Scion | 09/27/05
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Robert
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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Bottom Line from Secunia
Robert Crocker | 09/27/05
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robert, you're right....
Monkey_MCSE | 09/27/05
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oops correction
Monkey_MCSE | 09/27/05
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Possibly but
IT Scion | 09/27/05
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And that is what many of us that use
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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Firefox 1.0 v. IE 6.x
B.O.F.H. | 09/27/05
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Oh give it up already...
ye | 09/27/05
|
 
I don't see him making apologies but
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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He most certainly is...
ye | 09/27/05
|
   
Again your perception seems to be
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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Typical open source zealot response...
ye | 09/27/05
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I am sorry but I hold the same view for Windows in this
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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Best point
IT Scion | 09/27/05
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Non sequitur..
ye | 09/27/05
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When I say exploits
IT Scion | 09/27/05
|
   
No I think his point is ...
George Jay | 09/27/05
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His point is nothing more than an excuse...
ye | 09/27/05
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So what is the excuse used with IE?
B.O.F.H. | 09/27/05
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There is no excuse for IE...
ye | 09/27/05
|
   
And what of Opera?
B.O.F.H. | 09/27/05
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What of it?
ye | 09/27/05
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In the original post I addressed 3 browsers (at least).
B.O.F.H. | 09/27/05
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Oh give it up yourself...
Taz_z | 09/27/05
|
  
Taz
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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Probably true
Taz_z | 09/27/05
|
   
I'll do it...
ye | 09/27/05
|
    
I'm glad you agree
Taz_z | 09/27/05
|
     
Nice attempt at moving the goal posts...
ye | 09/27/05
|
    
It doesn't and that isn't the point
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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You haven't done that at all...
ye | 09/27/05
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I have
Linux Guy 1000 | 09/27/05
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All you've proven...
ye | 09/28/05
|
  
Irrelavent...
ye | 09/27/05
|
   
Now that's "irrelevant"
Taz_z | 09/27/05
|
 
Question
Stephen Wheeler | 09/27/05
|
  
I think you've got the wrong person...
ye | 09/27/05
|
   
Bug Free - Not Me
Stephen Wheeler | 09/27/05
|
    
Those that refuse to admit...
ye | 09/27/05
|
     
No based on the facts
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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The only facts that you've provided...
ye | 09/27/05
|
 
Who Care's
coinsrgood | 09/27/05
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So your point is no one should use FF until it has more time?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/27/05
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Takes time with any piece of software.
B.O.F.H. | 09/27/05
|
  
So don't use FF until it's mature???
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/27/05
|
   
Balancing Act
Stephen Wheeler | 09/27/05
|
    
Cute joke, too bad it has nothing to do with the subject.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/27/05
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No
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
|
     
Everything
Stephen Wheeler | 09/27/05
|
     
Maturity??
benellism90 | 09/28/05
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A reasonable comparison.
Letophoro | 09/27/05
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Face it, there is no such thing as a secure browser.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/27/05
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Which is why
Michael Kelly | 09/27/05
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I agree, but...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/27/05
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Agreed
Michael Kelly | 09/27/05
|

While this may be a relatively true
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
|
 
The facts don't back up your claims.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/27/05
|
  
The facts do support my stance.
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
|
   
That is one take...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/27/05
|
    
So what do you use?
Taz_z | 09/27/05
|
     
I use them both.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/27/05
|
    
I kind of doubt that
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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I disagree
Patrick Jones | 09/27/05
|

Here's The Cruel FACT You Need To Face
itanalyst | 09/27/05
|
 
You can choose not to default to IE
george_ou | 09/27/05
|
  
True, But
itanalyst | 09/27/05
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Or, better, use some other platform altogether. nt
michael_t | 09/27/05
|

Term should have been
Fleeb | 09/27/05
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Security is an illusion
Suicida| | 09/27/05
|
Secunia seems to have different data???
Solid Water | 09/27/05
|

Below "moderately critical" excluded
george_ou | 09/27/05
|
 
Oh
Revrant | 09/27/05
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Old vs. New
Stephen Wheeler | 09/27/05
|

More exploit code on Firefox
george_ou | 09/27/05
|
 
Yes but you and everyone else except
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
|
  
These are confirmed exploits
george_ou | 09/27/05
|
   
Confirmed where?
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
|
    
In the wild for anyone to download
george_ou | 09/27/05
|
     
Rephrasing the question
Taz_z | 09/27/05
|
     
George, I have tried
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
|
 
So all bets are off?
Stephen Wheeler | 09/27/05
|
  
Yet crackers are having more success with Firefox
george_ou | 09/27/05
|
   
Get with the Program
Stephen Wheeler | 09/27/05
|

How do you figure?
IT Scion | 09/27/05
|
 
Developed Code Base
Stephen Wheeler | 09/27/05
|
  
Mosaic
marlinj@... | 09/27/05
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If the sheeps would like to go to the actual source and
michael_t | 09/27/05
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You missed the SPIN part ... nt
michael_t | 09/27/05
|
Claiming that IF and FF have similar quality wrt to security
michael_t | 09/27/05
|
FF is not perfect and has
michael_t | 09/27/05
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Total Unpatched for FF = 0; Total Unpatched for IE=5
George Jay | 09/27/05
|

Is it....
IT Scion | 09/27/05
|
open source security vs non open source security
Andromedat6 | 09/27/05
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There needs to be a better gauge.
IT Scion | 09/27/05
|

Exactly what I and others have been trying to say
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
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Funny
thenewa2x | 09/27/05
|

Fair is fair!
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
|
 
Please do not include Opera 8.5 (free) in this
Scrat | 09/29/05
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The last sentance is sarcasm btw...
Scrat | 09/29/05
|

2
An_Axe_to_Grind | 09/27/05
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Re: I am sorry but I hold the same view for Windows in this
ye | 09/27/05
|

You have yet to really present a valid or
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
|
 
Just because an exploit doesn't exist...
ye | 09/27/05
|
  
If..
IT Scion | 09/27/05
|
   
There is no such thing...
ye | 09/27/05
|
    
But the point we are trying to get you to
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
|
     
The problem is that you haven't demonstrated...
ye | 09/27/05
|
     
But you are wrong,
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
|
     
Sorry...anecdotal
ye | 09/27/05
|
     
You see that is your problem
Linux Guy 1000 | 09/27/05
|
     
And your problem is...
ye | 09/27/05
|
     
Ye
IT Scion | 09/27/05
|
     
Zealot double standard...
ye | 09/28/05
|
    
By definition of course
IT Scion | 09/27/05
|
 
A vulnerability is a vulnerability
benellism90 | 09/29/05
|
Re: In the original post I addressed 3 browsers (at least).
ye | 09/27/05
|

You appear to be confused and blinded by something
B.O.F.H. | 09/27/05
|
 
Not to interupt but
IT Scion | 09/27/05
|
  
Versioning history for those that can recall (or were there):
B.O.F.H. | 09/27/05
|
   
IE 7
IT Scion | 09/28/05
|
 
No bias...
ye | 09/27/05
|
  
I don't think so ...
OldFossil | 09/27/05
|
   
Notice the use of the qualifier...
ye | 09/27/05
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Still next to worthless
Sxooter_z | 09/27/05
|

Creating a good metric...
dsentman@... | 09/27/05
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I'm using it right now
xkmail | 09/27/05
|
You mean firefox on windows right?
xkmail | 09/27/05
|

Nope, for Linux too
george_ou | 09/27/05
|
 
It can be easily demonstrated though
Anti_Zealot | 09/28/05
|
  
No
george_ou | 09/28/05
|
   
No
Linux User 147560 | 09/28/05
|
   
But the effect is null without root permissions... (nt)
Anti_Zealot | 09/28/05
|
    
And???
ye | 09/28/05
|
     
non-root access still wipes my user data
Scrat | 09/29/05
|
     
What really is puzzling...
Anti_Zealot | 09/29/05
|
Re: No based on the facts
ye | 09/27/05
|
Let me pose this query...
Linux User 147560 | 09/27/05
|
Poor George!
An_Axe_to_Grind | 09/27/05
|
Am I missing someting?
berck | 09/27/05
|

Advisories != Vulnerabilities
george_ou | 09/27/05
|
Purpose
marlinj@... | 09/27/05
|
Man, George, You always start a riot.
The King's Servant | 09/27/05
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I dont care what was, I only care what is
lsatenstein@... | 09/27/05
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FireFox Versus IE
ferrit@... | 09/27/05
|

Yet another
IT Scion | 09/27/05
|
 
Also another
Anti_Zealot | 09/28/05
|
  
I do partially agree and
IT Scion | 09/28/05
|
   
Yes, indeed
Anti_Zealot | 09/28/05
|
What if??
79spitfire | 09/27/05
|
The fact that
Qbt | 09/27/05
|
Try this George
Qbt | 09/27/05
|

How about a non-biased data source?
NetArch. | 09/28/05
|
Excluded results
Revrant | 09/27/05
|
Yes, much better
Anti_Zealot | 09/28/05
|
What does it take to get M$'s interest
joeivie@... | 09/28/05
|
Do you trust Internet Explorer?
golfbob | 09/28/05
|

The problem is...
ye | 09/28/05
|

Sadly that's not the case...
NetArch. | 09/28/05
|
Once again OS embedding is the main issue.
msdead | 09/28/05
|

Funny
IT Scion | 09/28/05
|
Do you trust Internet Explorer?
golfbob | 09/28/05
|
Its still FF for me.
bargeemike | 09/28/05
|
Not Considered in Article
netman_z | 09/28/05
|
Abandoning Windows safest bet
tony@... | 09/28/05
|
The Pundits will Speak
papatator | 09/28/05
|
Long Run ?
satan666_z | 09/28/05
|
The widgettary war creates.............
pj-xmesh | 09/28/05
|
What about Deepnet Explorer?
G_Jake@... | 09/29/05
|
What kind of vulnerabilities?
ccrashh2@... | 09/29/05
|

Serious because they can take over your system
george_ou | 09/29/05
|
How come numbers don't add up?
raygavel@... | 09/29/05
|

When did I count "Advisories"????
george_ou | 09/29/05
|
 
Six of one...half dozen of the other...
raygavel@... | 09/29/05
|
Statistically Biased Comparison
jacartaya@... | 09/30/05
|
nitpicking: Firefox Linux specific vulnerabilitie(s) should not be counted
pphant | 10/08/05
|

Are you kidding?
george_ou | 10/10/05
|
 
No you should not...
pphant | 10/11/05
|
  
I'll have to be content...
pphant | 10/16/05
|