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March 21st, 2007

Blocking the Microsoft / Novell deal

Posted by John Carroll @ 9:58 am

Categories: Economic Policy, General, Intellectual Property, Microsoft, Open Source, Software Infrastructure

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That, apparently, is the reason the release of GPLv3 has been delayed. The Free Software Foundation wants to ensure that verbiage in GPLv3 explicitly prevents arrangements wherein Microsoft signs a patent waiver with customers of a particular company (in this case, Novell). That, apparently, is not disallowed by the terms of GPLv2, according to Richard Stallman.

Assuming they figure out acceptable verbiage (which I have no doubt the FSF will), this means that the only way GPLv3 software could use patented IP is if the owners of that IP grant a global waiver to all users of a particular open source product. Though that does on occasion happen (IBM and Sun have done so, among others), it does carry risks - namely, that the granter of the waiver can't use those patents in future against users of a waivered product who choose to sue the granter of the waiver over IP they own (now say that fast three times).

That certainly matters to a company like Microsoft, who just stepped on an Alcatel-planted patent landmine, resulting in medical bills in the 1.5 billion range (pending appeal, or the judge reducing the size of the fine). Granted, that should be a lesson to companies like Microsoft that software patents aren't such a wonderful thing (I am certainly of that opinion), but they exist today, and if you want to mount a counterattack, you need to have your patent weaponry in good working order and able to be launched against anyone. Part of Microsoft's Alcatel counterattack is a suit using patents Microsoft holds that aims to block import of certain Alcatel products.   Similarly, IBM, in its defense against SCO, countersued using a number of patents they own, one of which appears to be a patent on the common menu user interface convention.

Terms in the GPLv3 that block deals like the one between Microsoft and Novell mean users of a GPLv3 product will have to a) convince companies to grant patent waivers (which carries risks), b) avoid all patented IP (not so easy given how broadly worded patents can be; Microsoft has teams of people dedicated to researching IP in their products and they still got hit by Alcatel), or c) live with the risk. Truth be told, the odds of Microsoft making a full-on Alcatel-style patent assault on open source products is low given the nuclear fallout from such an attack, but there are red lines. For instance, I don't think Microsoft would take kindly to a GPLv3 implementation of WMA, as an example, as that is something they license.

Whatever the case, the FSF gears continue to grind away at the potential relevance of the GPLv3, creating a license that makes it even harder for proprietary software and patented IP to interoperate with GPLed software. Even though I work for Microsoft, it IS my problem as someone who appreciates the strengths of community-developed software and desperately hopes that Microsoft could find ways to use more of it. Making the two streams of innovation mingle benefits the software art, which is why it is so exasperating to see certain proponents of one those streams loudly continue their advocacy of the software equivalent of apartheid.

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I am not yet convinced if you are a compulsive lier or simply a biased ignorant. (Read the rest)
Posted by: p_msac@... Posted on: 03/26/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Retaliation  mattflaschen | 03/21/07
Not much use  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Risks  dave.leigh@... | 03/21/07
Granted  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Translation  John L. Ries | 03/21/07
Patents are still different...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Diplomatic answer  John L. Ries | 03/21/07
I'll give him a call...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Your explanation doesn't fit the situation.  dave.leigh@... | 03/21/07
Come on now  beaner1111@... | 03/21/07
Re:  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
twisted logic and double standards from you, Pedro  zzz1234567890 | 03/23/07
ooops , posted at the wrong link  zzz1234567890 | 03/23/07
another reason  Eduardo_z | 03/21/07
I'm not hiding that  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Undermines the defensive value?  dave.leigh@... | 03/21/07
Sabotage of GPL3 possible ... and let the punters decide  sinleeh@... | 03/21/07
Re: Sabotage  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Defensive Patenting is still possible  sinleeh@... | 03/22/07
Skinning cats  Yagotta B. Kidding | 03/21/07
You got it mate  sinleeh@... | 03/22/07
so basically I dont want competition and so lets bury MS  zzz1234567890 | 03/22/07
nope...  sinleeh@... | 03/22/07
nobody is forcing you to take unnecessary risk  zzz1234567890 | 03/22/07
Who Benefits?  BassSinger | 03/21/07
Easy  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Question and comment  John L. Ries | 03/21/07
Answer  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Re: Answer  none none | 03/21/07
As someone who has read LOTS of patents  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Guilty Until Proven Innocent  dragosani | 03/21/07
How so?  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Re: How so?  none none | 03/21/07
Re: Re: How so?  none none | 03/21/07
You see my point  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
The case against software patents (link)  dave.leigh@... | 03/22/07
No thanks, John  rweiler@... | 03/21/07
Re: no thanks  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Novell/Microsoft doesn't benefit Linux.  rweiler@... | 03/21/07
so basically you are saying that  zzz1234567890 | 03/22/07
Scope  none none | 03/21/07
Europe has plenty of software patents  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
Deserving of Each Other  Harry Bardal | 03/21/07
And of course...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
More serious answer  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 03/21/07
so much for your theory with no valid arguments or facts  zzz1234567890 | 03/22/07
should have been in response to the post from Harry Bardal  zzz1234567890 | 03/22/07
Microsoft doesn't support standards  interoperate | 03/21/07
Microsoft does support standards  zzz1234567890 | 03/22/07
GPL V3 Nonsense  IAHawkeye | 03/22/07
they call it freedom but in reality you are not free  zzz1234567890 | 03/22/07
I do not think ...  p_msac@... | 03/22/07
OSS vioate IP & if some1 were 2 stand up 2 they r painted the Devil  zzz1234567890 | 03/22/07
"The OS community constantly vioate IP"  deaf_e_kate | 03/22/07
this is just the tip of the ice-berg.  zzz1234567890 | 03/22/07
Please Read the Article Before making comments.  p_msac@... | 03/22/07
why dont you get your facts right  zzz1234567890 | 03/23/07
There Was a Court Case! Proof Inadmissible.  p_msac@... | 03/23/07
twisted logic and double standards from you, Pedro  zzz1234567890 | 03/23/07
Double standards?  p_msac@... | 03/23/07
Morally IBM is guilty and so is Linux.  zzz1234567890 | 03/23/07
more ON IBM  zzz1234567890 | 03/24/07
Morality vs Computer illiteracy.  p_msac@... | 03/26/07
There was never an infringement ... Patents where given ... not stolen!  p_msac@... | 03/22/07
before you write these epic blogs, spend sometime reading before responding  zzz1234567890 | 03/22/07
Proof, please ...  p_msac@... | 03/22/07
you definitly have some serious brain damage  zzz1234567890 | 03/22/07

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