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May 15th, 2007

Responding to Mr. Allison on ODF

Posted by John Carroll @ 8:42 am

Categories: General, ODF, Office, Office 2007, Open Source

Tags: OpenOffice, Microsoft Office, Jeremy Allison, Mr., Microsoft Corp., OpenDocument Format, John Carroll

Jeremy Allison, in a recent article for ZDNet, complains that Microsoft prevents little girls from turning in their homework.

Okay, that's not precisely true. After dropping a few anti-Vista dings, he explained the problems he had trying to open Office XML files in OpenOffice, and used that as reason to call for all the world to standardize on ODF.

Had both word processors supported Open Document Format as an option then it wouldn't have mattered if she had been using Microsoft Office, OpenOffice or any other common word processor.

Fair enough. If all the world DID use ODF, compatibility problems would disappear. You'd have to go non-standard to write spreadsheet formulas (not likely to be a part of a little girl's homework project), but it would create a degree of standardization with parallels in TCP/IP and HTTP, other protocols for which universally applied standards exist.

On the other hand, the same would apply if everyone supported OOXML.

The ODF standard was ratified by the ISO in May, 2006. Granted, various forms of the standard existed before that, but raging against a world that doesn't adhere to a standard that was only finalized a year ago is like complaining about all those cars that don't run on hydrogen. ODF is relatively late to the document format party, a party that has mostly been thrown for the past 15 years by a certain company based in Redmond, Washington.

Instead of asking why ODF isn't supported by Microsoft Office, why doesn't Mr. Allison ask why OpenOffice doesn't support the new Office XML format. It's not like it's a secret. It's a format that has been ratified by ECMA, and is running the ISO gauntlet as we speak. Further, it's a format that Microsoft has worked to ensure accurately represents not just its own formats, but those of many of its competitors, a result of Microsoft's long battle for Office Suite supremacy. People complain about the format's 6000 pages, but then again, putting onto paper 20 years of document format history takes a lot of pages.

Granted, the standard isn't "official" yet (in the ISO sense), but Novell managed somehow to make its converter that Allison used to free a friend's daughter's homework from its docx "cage." I don't think that Novell engineers are imbued with special competence that doesn't exist in the open source community.

The fact of the matter is that the document format war is political to the point that people aren't able to consider rationally the merits of either format. OOXML has merit, if nothing else than as the inheritor of a format legacy that stretches back decades whose richness it will take ODF a long time to match. ODF is a new format that strikes off in a new direction while ditching compatibility with the past. Both approaches have merits in a market where official standards have, for most of the history of the office productivity tools market, been lacking.

Blaming Microsoft for the fact that OpenOffice can't read (or even write) OOXML is blame shifting of the most extreme sort. No, Microsoft didn't include the ability to save to older formats from its Office 2007 TRIAL version. Microsoft has a business oriented around OOXML, and asking them to create free writers (or in this case, the ability to save to a legacy format in a TRIAL version of a product Microsoft charges good money for) is like asking Google (Mr. Allison's employer, the competitive parallel to my employer, Microsoft) to give me free ad placement in their search engine. They have, however, made it possible for others to read AND write OOXML documents, an ability proven by Novell's conversion tool.

The job now lies with others to make that possible.

[NOTE: from ZDNet Talkback participant MGP2, another option]

Tis better to light a candle than to curse the dark. Instead of cursing Oo.org or Microsoft, Mr. Allison could have downloaded an Office 2003/2007 add-in, as I did, which adds to your file menu, 2 options. It adds the options to both Word and Excel. One says "save as odf", and one says "open odf".

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=169337

John CarrollJohn Carroll has delivered his opinion on ZDNet since the last millennium. Since May 2008, he is no longer a Microsoft employee. He is currently working at a unified messaging-related startup. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Posted by: MisterMiester Posted on: 05/18/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
The rich format legacy of Microsoft coding errors  whisperycat | 05/15/07
Summarized  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 05/15/07
Just admit it John  deaf_e_kate | 05/15/07
Think you have that backwards  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 05/15/07
i dont think so  deaf_e_kate | 05/15/07
Try getting real and see how that works.  Cayble | 05/16/07
Single Minded?  davidsarmstrong | 05/16/07
Uh, John ...  Henaway | 05/15/07
D'oh  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 05/15/07
Well maybe if ZDNet  Linux User 147560 | 05/15/07
The Price of Salt  aboulley | 05/16/07
How to Preview  dave.leigh@... | 05/16/07
Very Nice ...  MisterMiester | 05/18/07
Oh, but that's just the START of it  Imaginos1892 | 05/15/07
You never disappoint, John C  whisperycat | 05/16/07
Thanks pal  cmjrees | 05/16/07
What do you expect?  Ole Man | 05/16/07
ODF vs OOpsXML  PaulWallen | 05/15/07
Wow, John, please stop embarrassing yourself  zaine_ridling | 05/15/07
Looks like the egg is on YOUR face.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/15/07
Oh look, you provoked one of Microsofts lapdogs!  B.O.F.H. | 05/15/07
Did you say Selfless, or Self-Centered? wink nt  JLHenry | 05/15/07
Which is the typical cry...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 05/15/07
Why bother?  zaine_ridling | 05/16/07
When you "cut your own path" the road is hard.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/15/07
...and often worth the effort  John L. Ries | 05/15/07
The "Save As" crippling is just dirty pool  j.m.galvin | 05/15/07
So, basically..  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 05/15/07
Here's whats wrong  deaf_e_kate | 05/15/07
Which suits YOUR purposes  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 05/15/07
Actually . . .  JLHenry | 05/15/07
Most good trialware i've used  deaf_e_kate | 05/15/07
Sorry John  Henaway | 05/15/07
Yes, basically I am saying  j.m.galvin | 05/15/07
Fair enough  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 05/15/07
Wow John  Update victim | 05/16/07
Patented?  Update victim | 05/16/07
ODF is an entirely political...  Anton Philidor | 05/15/07
Incorrect  j.m.galvin | 05/15/07
Point taken.  Anton Philidor | 05/15/07
All standards are political  John L. Ries | 05/15/07
Agreed.  Anton Philidor | 05/15/07
Snide response: You clearly mean that...  John L. Ries | 05/15/07
You should include users...  Anton Philidor | 05/15/07
You're being disingenuous  j.m.galvin | 05/15/07
Making ODF available in Office is different...  Anton Philidor | 05/16/07
PDF - No Advantage ??  marc@... | 05/16/07
Right!  John L. Ries | 05/15/07
In addition...  John L. Ries | 05/15/07
Okay, in MA...  Anton Philidor | 05/16/07
The Microsoft formats are not exactly secret.  Anton Philidor | 05/16/07
Then again...  John L. Ries | 05/16/07
John, you're smarter than that  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/15/07
OOXML is NOT a standard.  linux for me | 05/15/07
The Freedom to Assimilate  aboulley | 05/16/07
Observe This Evidence  aboulley | 05/16/07
Common with many of Open Source folks is that they r the ones writing FUD  zzz1234567890 | 05/15/07
"ignorance is bliss"  Anton Philidor | 05/15/07
Dude you're biased plain and simple..  ju1ce | 05/16/07
Is this what you think is going on?  B.O.F.H. | 05/15/07
its not just me  zzz1234567890 | 05/15/07
Common with many of Microsoft folks is that THEY arer the ones writing FUD  linux for me | 05/16/07
Oh look. He insulted one of "The Gods"  John Zern | 05/16/07
The quality  Freebird54 | 05/16/07
I thought his beef was more with the cripleware on the pc  jfp | 05/15/07
Bang On!  GeiselS@... | 05/15/07
Allison did give a good example...  John L. Ries | 05/15/07
Candles in dark rooms  dragosani | 05/15/07
why does a Microsoft employee  A.Lizard | 05/15/07
why does an ignorant person  BrutalTruth | 05/15/07
Let him speak  John L. Ries | 05/15/07
Why do Google employees...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 05/16/07
Expanding that point  Arthas | 05/16/07
Employers shouldn't dictate opinions  John L. Ries | 05/16/07
There is no editor reference application for Office Open XML  Marbux | 05/16/07
Great Job.  gotitright | 05/16/07
You also couldn't CUT AND PASTE.  Resuna | 05/16/07
DAMN ODF TO HELL  Arthas | 05/16/07
Ah, but what about older MS Word files?  GeorgesV | 05/16/07
Example of defending the FAKE  aboulley | 05/16/07
You are very lucky  Freebird54 | 05/16/07
Microsoft is no longer private entity  ignasl | 05/16/07
Engineering Complexity  Demolish | 05/16/07
GROW UP PLEASE, Open Doc Format is NOT THE SAME AS MS OOXXLSM%#@!  jaszman | 05/16/07
Free ads?  mjpollard | 05/16/07
No problem here  Endoscopy | 05/16/07
ODF and OOXML  sk8in_zombi@... | 05/17/07
Umm...  rapson | 05/17/07
If Microsoft Can't do it, who can?  damon@... | 05/18/07

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