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January 30th, 2009

What is American?

Posted by John Carroll @ 1:14 pm

Categories: General

Tags: Massachusetts, H-1B, Productivity, Human Resources, Labor Relations, John Carroll

A recent post by Brian Sommer noted that H-1B visa holders might be in for a rough ride in 2009 as the weakening economy invites calls for special preferences for the accidental citizens of the United States of America (I say “accidental,” as most of us were bestowed our rights as citizens by accident of birth). In fact, Sommer makes note of a demand by Charles Grassley, a Republican senator from Iowa, to Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft, that upcoming layoffs at Microsoft affect H-1B visa holders disproportionately.

It’s peculiar that such calls tend to come from politicians from states which lie the furthest it is possible to get from our nation’s borders. Equally odd is that such statements are typical of today’s crop of politicians from the party of Ronald Reagan, whose pro-trade credentials were rarely in doubt, and as the author of the last big amnesty given to illegal immigrants in this country, would look askance at such anti-business populist nonsense.

It’s also odd that that so many computer professionals respond enthusiastically to such populist blather. Every time anyone writes about the H-1B program or foreign workers, the Talkbacks are littered with posts decrying the foreign workers who take “our” jobs away. That’s odd, because most such professionals wouldn’t even have jobs if globalization hadn’t brought the cost of computers down to levels where practically everyone in the developed world has one. Lower prices make bigger markets for OUR services.

Think about it practically. Imagine if the government of Massachusetts decided to force MIT to accept exclusively residents of the state. What would happen to the quality of science conducted at MIT? It’s not because citizens of Massachusetts are stupid. Rather, it’s because Massachusetts is a drop in the bucket compared to the 6+ billion people who exist on this planet.

You find more gold if you sift a mountain than if you sift the pile of dirt you have in your backyard. The same applies to IT personnel.

Quite frankly, hiring and firing decisions should be based on how valuable a particular individual is to a company.

Anything less is un-American.

John CarrollJohn Carroll has delivered his opinion on ZDNet since the last millennium. Since May 2008, he is no longer a Microsoft employee. He is currently working at a unified messaging-related startup. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Posters: have you been outside the US???
I live in a third world country in the "Americas" and I am using an HP computer with Microsoft Windows, Google Search, MapInfo software to do my work (All American companies). Later, I will leave my o... (Read the rest)
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hear hear  paulke | 01/30/09
Completely agree! Great post.  micks_tricks | 01/30/09
It's better than most others  Roger Ramjet | 02/02/09
uh you forget something  Khyron | 02/03/09
Welcome back, Mr. Carroll  Anton Philidor | 01/30/09
Rational rationale?  John Le'Brecage | 01/30/09
Because  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 01/30/09
"Really qualified" workers can already be in the US.  Anton Philidor | 01/30/09
Not really  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 01/30/09
Please clarify  Anton Philidor | 02/02/09
ABSOLUTELY NAIVE  jjworleyeoe | 02/02/09
H-1Bs have a legitimate purpose.  Anton Philidor | 02/02/09
The DOL's "rationale" differs  dave.leigh@... | 02/03/09
Welcome back...  John Le'Brecage | 01/30/09
low-priced?  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 01/30/09
Global Gulag  Christian_<>< | 01/30/09
I too have worked with H1-Bs  John Le'Brecage | 01/30/09
One wonders...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 01/30/09
Re: One wonders...  Christian_<>< | 01/30/09
Dude, you have some SERIOUS problems  MGP2 | 01/30/09
No, but if his shoe was on the other foot...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 02/04/09
Before Bush  Silent Observer | 02/06/09
the answer...  Khyron | 02/03/09
RE: What is American?  Hemlock Stones | 01/30/09
And...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 01/30/09
No, you don't have a point to understand  Hemlock Stones | 02/02/09
There's a lot to stop people  John L. Ries | 02/02/09
What is this supposed  Hemlock Stones | 02/02/09
RE: What is American?  Linux User 147560 | 01/30/09
Welcome back John. Hope your hiatus has mended and you are better  no_zd_user_name | 01/30/09
Message has been deleted.  FireThorn | 01/31/09
John your ad idiot  FireThorn | 01/31/09
You wanna know what the real embarrassment is?  Linux User 147560 | 01/31/09
It would have been nice if you addressed each of his points  DanLM | 02/02/09
Twit!?  T25 | 02/02/09
THIS is adult conversation?  MGP2 | 01/31/09
I don't necessarily disagree, but...  John L. Ries | 01/31/09
Programmers Guild disagrees with John Carroll  Programmers Guild | 02/01/09
Skilled foreigners...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 02/01/09
Kim Berry - Programmers Guild  Programmers Guild | 02/02/09
Military obligation of U.S. citizen  guillermo_1v | 02/07/09
Sounds like a bad NAFTA commercial  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/02/09
And New York City  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 02/02/09
A silly argument at best.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/02/09
I never think what I post...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 02/02/09
Well lets look at your points shall we?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/02/09
How about  j.m.galvin | 02/02/09
Agreed in full  John L. Ries | 02/02/09
Spot on.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/02/09
On what do you base this?  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 02/02/09
No families, etc  j.m.galvin | 02/02/09
Do away with child labor laws.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/02/09
Foreign workers...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 02/02/09
In a world without economics that may be true  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/02/09
But those are nonsense comparisons  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 02/02/09
No, they are very accurate and point on.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/02/09
only one word...  benitodarder | 02/02/09
Did you voice all the same objections when  deaf_e_kate | 02/03/09
From that point of view...  John L. Ries | 02/02/09
Fair point  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 02/02/09
great post, sad talkbacks...  benitodarder | 02/02/09
What do you do...  Anton Philidor | 02/02/09
i don't see harm in people coming to my/one country  benitodarder | 02/02/09
You're right.  Anton Philidor | 02/02/09
When?  BobF_z | 02/03/09
Ok think I get it!  BobF_z | 02/03/09
No; the English were long reluctant...  Anton Philidor | 02/03/09
Interesting  BobF_z | 02/04/09
Not many Normans, either  Anton Philidor | 02/04/09
Does it always come down to money?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/02/09
No  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 02/02/09
another idea  deaf_e_kate | 02/03/09
Who pays for that?  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 02/03/09
Our God-given Right to Cheap Tube Socks  nottheusual1 | 02/03/09
Thanks to cheap tube socks...  Anton Philidor | 02/03/09
re: How pays for that  deaf_e_kate | 02/04/09
Ramblings  Ken_z | 02/02/09
RE: What is American?  cwhitmore | 02/03/09
It is not easy  sboverie@... | 02/03/09
A Citizen of the United States of America is the ONLY "American"  hnoyes | 02/03/09
A Citizen of the United States of America is the ONLY "American"  mike_ohanlon | 02/03/09
John, you don't seem to appeciate America very much.  Dr_Zinj | 02/03/09
Re: John, you don't seem to appeciate America very much.  mike_ohanlon | 02/03/09
Not much anymore...  mikifinaz1@... | 02/03/09
I'll say it. Unions.  ksheppard@... | 02/03/09
Is your objection to...  John L. Ries | 02/03/09
I tend to agree.  ksheppard@... | 02/03/09
As a "Reagan" Republican I agree with you.  ksheppard@... | 02/03/09
Corporations are creatures of the state...  John L. Ries | 02/03/09
Naw.  ksheppard@... | 02/03/09
Corporations have privileges, not rights  John L. Ries | 02/03/09
We agree more than we think. Why do corporations intimidate you?  ksheppard@... | 02/06/09
My major problem with limited liability corporations is that...  John L. Ries | 02/06/09
Be careful what you ask for.  zclayton2 | 02/03/09
I think you miss the point  bsttsch777 | 02/03/09
RE: What is American?  provincialplace@... | 02/03/09
Belief issue  Bill4 | 02/05/09
RE: What is American?  mrissman1@... | 02/05/09
Posters: have you been outside the US???  Roque Mocan | 02/18/09

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