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October 15th, 2009

Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists

Posted by Chris Jablonski @ 11:31 pm

Categories: Computers & Internet, Engineering & Innovation

Tags: Physicist, Speed, Computer, Moore, Productivity, Chris Jablonski

A pair of physicists have shown that if processors continue to accelerate in accordance to Moore’s Law, we’ll hit the wall of faster processing in roughly 75 years.

The curtain will eventually come down for silicon in today’s manufacturing methods once engineers can no longer further shrink transistors and the copper wires that connect them. Processor fabrication using new technologies such as imprint lithography, graphene, and quantum computing will continue to yield faster and smaller chips. Nonetheless, those advanced techniques only stave off the absolute ceiling for speed, no matter how small the components get, according to professors Lev Levitin and Tommaso Toffoli at Boston University’s Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering.  As Inside Science reports, the two have slapped a speed limit on computing.

A UCSB researcher holds a mask that will be used in building a 4 qbit chip (Credit: James Neeley via Flickr)

In a recently published paper in the journal Physical Review Letters, Levitin and Toffoli present an equation for the minimum sliver of time it takes for a single computation to occur and establishes the speed limit for all possible computers.

Using their equation, Levitin and Toffoli calculated that, for every unit of energy, a perfect quantum computer spits out ten quadrillion more operations each second than today’s fastest processors, according to Inside Science.

“If we believe in Moore’s law … then it would take about 75 to 80 years to achieve this quantum limit,” Levitin said. 

”No system can overcome that limit. It doesn’t depend on the physical nature of the system or how it’s implemented, what algorithm you use for computation … any choice of hardware and software. This bound poses an absolute law of nature, just like the speed of light.”

The physicists point out that technological barriers might slow down Moore’s law as we approach this limit.

Scott Aaronson, a pioneer in quantum computing and assistant professor of electrical engineering and computer science at MIT believes that the forecast for 75 years is optimistic.

 Moore’s Law, he said, probably won’t hold for more than 20 years. 

That may be so, but predictions made over the last few decades about the death of Moore’s Law have been wrong.

Here’s another quote from Aaronson:  

”From a theorist’s perspective, it’s good to know that fundamental limits are there, sort of an absolute ceiling. You may say it’s disappointing that we can’t build infinitely fast computers, but as a picture of the world, if you have a theory of physics allows for 
infinitely fast computation, there could be a problem with that theory.”

In your view, how much longer till the demise of Moore’s Law?  Post in Talkback.

Christopher JablonskiChristopher Jablonski is a freelance technology writer. Previously, he was the manager of marketing editorial at CBS Interactive, delivering client solutions on BNET, ZDNet, and TechRepublic. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Posted by: CobraA1 Posted on: 11/22/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Facinating  Ceridan | 10/16/09
No, not "current day technologies and materials" it's an absolute limit  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
Ummm  Ceridan | 10/16/09
You need more than new tech, you need new physics to break that upper limit  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
Actually...  IndredKold | 10/16/09
Actually...  deanders | 10/16/09
Apparently that effect is of no practical use...  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
Wrong.  sporkfighter | 10/16/09
Do be careful about absolute certainty...  wolf_z | 10/16/09
And yet. . .  sporkfighter | 10/16/09
But then again...  wolf_z | 10/17/09
Our current understanding  JasonJD48 | 10/19/09
Software can help more yet but not Moore's law  bsit@... | 10/18/09
It is hard ...  mheartwood | 10/21/09
Yeah, they have been saying this same thing for years....  Lerianis10 | 10/16/09
Still, the laws of physics are what they are.  CobraA1 | 10/16/09
Well Said  Eleutherios | 10/16/09
Size isn't relevant measurement for subatomic particles. [nt]  olePigeon | 10/16/09
As they say.... laws are there to be broken  Lerianis10 | 10/17/09
Yeah the same goes for the speed of light  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
Nope, but if you take a different approach  LiquidLearner | 10/16/09
"Theoretically possible" is not the same as "really possible"...  adornoe@... | 10/16/09
Some theory that one of yours...  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
Pop science. *Sigh  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
Correct for the most part, but...  adornoe@... | 10/16/09
Einstein  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
Still, Einstein's theorie are just "theories"...  adornoe@... | 10/16/09
Just a theory?  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
DeusExMachina: A theory is still "just" a theory...  adornoe@... | 10/17/09
entire contents moved to proper slot further down...  adornoe@... | 10/17/09
Wrong  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
You Sir are an idiot!  seveprim@... | 10/16/09
You sir, apparently don't understand quantum entanglement.  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
Computer intelligence  jorjitop | 10/16/09
Democracy  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
Big mistake in your thinking...  adornoe@... | 10/16/09
Flawed logic  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
DeusExMachina: That is just pure garbage...  adornoe@... | 10/17/09
Illogical Nonsense  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
How about a computer that could "learn"?  James T. Kirk | 10/20/09
DeusExMachina: Perhaps the logic is beyond your capabilities.  adornoe@... | 10/20/09
Have you EVER taken ANY class in logic?!?  DeusExMachina | 10/20/09
re: computer intelligence  edcoyle | 11/04/09
If wishes were horses . . .  sporkfighter | 10/16/09
It's not raw horsepower that makes our computers fast  happyharry_z | 10/16/09
And the list goes on  Juergen Hartl | 10/16/09
Um ... What IS the limit ..  Ludovit | 10/16/09
relative to today...  pgit | 10/16/09
THIS article provides the numbers, it's...  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
Re: Ten Quadrillion Discrepancy  aeriform | 10/16/09
That's 18 months not 2 years  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
Um ... What IS the limit ..  Darr247 | 10/16/09
New algorithms may still help.  CobraA1 | 10/16/09
Yes . . .  sporkfighter | 10/16/09
yup  CobraA1 | 11/22/09
They don't need to get faster  Salonikios | 10/16/09
You've been watching too much Stargate, lol (nt)  CobraA1 | 10/16/09
Perhaps. But if the rules say you can't do something, change the rules.  Dr_Zinj | 10/16/09
Relativity  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
Re: Relativity  rpjacks | 10/17/09
Michelson Morley  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
You know...  James T. Kirk | 10/20/09
You know  DeusExMachina | 10/20/09
Speed has been stagnant for the last few years  Linux Geek | 10/16/09
You're thinking Ghz or cycles  GoPower | 10/16/09
does this mean my computer will be as fast as me???  sparkle farkle | 10/16/09
Yes, and it might not be good.  VistroDotNet | 10/16/09
Building the female brain  seveprim@... | 10/16/09
WRONG!  UsersRevil | 10/18/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physic  DannyO_0x98 | 10/16/09
Gentleman...  VistroDotNet | 10/16/09
Won't Matter  bruceg@... | 10/16/09
Quick math fuzzy info ....  kd5auq | 10/16/09
Quick math fuzzy info ....  Network Guy | 10/16/09
No, actually he's on the right track  HexHammer67 | 10/16/09
QED  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
That is why I asked instead of stated ....  kd5auq | 10/16/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  Network Guy | 10/16/09
Grace Hopper  sboverie@... | 10/16/09
COBOL  cwallen19803@... | 10/16/09
Thanks  sboverie@... | 10/16/09
Grace Hopper  mblock@... | 10/16/09
No she was not  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
Grace Hopper  mblock@... | 10/16/09
Even you claim less than perfect recall.  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
Not quite  ITLeader | 10/16/09
No, she did not.  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
You are correct  ITLeader | 10/16/09
ComputerS have NO speed limits!  mblock@... | 10/16/09
Right you are!  flboffin | 10/16/09
All and good - But...  DT2 | 10/16/09
Besides which  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
ComputerS have NO speed limits!  mblock@... | 10/16/09
Um, yes they do  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  mindnova | 10/16/09
Ummm - no  Darr247 | 10/16/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  Ralphi | 10/16/09
How many  deanders | 10/16/09
Huh?!?  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
Don't be so certain  wolf_z | 10/16/09
Good Luck  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
The math can be right...  wolf_z | 10/17/09
Please  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
Re: Most Tested Physical Model  jpw_GentlemanPhysicist | 10/21/09
Huh?!?  DeusExMachina | 10/23/09
Naw, we just generate a sub space warp field aroudn the CPU  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/16/09
Warp field  Juergen Hartl | 10/16/09
Which mean that in a PARALLEL univers ....  kd5auq | 10/16/09
I'm sure Steve Jobs is already working on that...  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
No, you are confusing a warp fied with a reality distortion field  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/16/09
Whatever...  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
Naw, Steve got on the Intel train.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/17/09
Pointless article....  ckl_88 | 10/16/09
Just like the light barrier  deanders | 10/16/09
Apparently you didn't RTFA  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
Moved. (edited)  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
I'll assume  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
Your assumption is correct  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
Wrong!  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
what about brain?  keoz | 10/16/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  Darr247 | 10/16/09
For the same reason that profits are NEVER ENOUGHT ....  kd5auq | 10/16/09
Same Reason Hard Drive Get Bigger  sboverie@... | 10/16/09
Even going with optical has limits  LarryPTL | 10/16/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  christopher_jablonski | 10/16/09
The Wizard of Oz  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
Now Now, Patience...  jpw_GentlemanPhysicist | 10/21/09
Ugh, you have NO idea  DeusExMachina | 10/23/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  bigsibling | 10/16/09
Human limitations  deanders | 10/16/09
Nobody . . .  sporkfighter | 10/16/09
Costs will limit speed.  fromag82 | 10/16/09
Malthus said the same thing about population and food growth  davagain | 10/16/09
No he didn't  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  kevinskee | 10/16/09
That's not really the issue ...  mwagner@... | 10/16/09
is is-not  kevinskee | 10/16/09
ON/OFF not a paradigm, those are the building blocks of the thechnology  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
Oddly, scientists in the main stream ...  mwagner@... | 10/16/09
We have a winner  LiquidLearner | 10/16/09
Losers, both  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
Don't be smug  wolf_z | 10/16/09
op cit  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
I'm sure you can provide links to prove your astounding assertions?  wolf_z | 10/17/09
Specify your question  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
No, No, No You're getting it all wrong!  The Mentalist | 10/16/09
Correct. [nt]  olePigeon | 10/16/09
So we have a perfect understanding  ITLeader | 10/16/09
Most of the Star Trek (and Star Wars) "science"  kd5auq | 10/16/09
We definitely have a Winner!!  mblock@... | 10/16/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  Darr247 | 10/16/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  aikigaeshi | 10/16/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  wizodd@... | 10/16/09
Word from the crew of the mothership says...  bobfastner | 10/16/09
what if we combine the processor...  michael.tindall@... | 10/16/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physic  VistroDotNet | 10/16/09
Petahertz  dhays | 10/19/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physic  VistroDotNet | 10/16/09
subatomic particles for computing  qunungnauraq | 10/16/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  qunungnauraq | 10/16/09
No  DeusExMachina | 10/16/09
explain  qunungnauraq | 10/16/09
You make it clear in your usage.  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
no content  qunungnauraq | 10/17/09
Data  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
words  dhays | 10/19/09
PhD, '98  jpw_GentlemanPhysicist | 10/21/09
duly noted  DeusExMachina | 10/23/09
Maybe...  TorinoMobile | 10/16/09
Lost in the Metaphor  jpw_GentlemanPhysicist | 10/21/09
absolute limits  qunungnauraq | 10/16/09
You guys are so negative!  terry flores | 10/16/09
re: You guys are so negative!  edcoyle | 11/04/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  qunungnauraq | 10/17/09
Ugh  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
Your kind of thinking defeats progress  qunungnauraq | 10/17/09
Your kind of not thinking impedes progress  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
copy and paste  qunungnauraq | 10/17/09
the math  DeusExMachina | 10/17/09
whatever  qunungnauraq | 10/17/09
Back to the future  DeusExMachina | 10/18/09
Oddly, the Underlying Physics Ain't That Hard  jpw_GentlemanPhysicist | 10/21/09
relativity  qunungnauraq | 10/17/09
What happened to the concept of scalabilty then? (NT)  Dr.C | 10/17/09
Bypassing C  qunungnauraq | 10/17/09
Assuming the Impossible, Yes  jpw_GentlemanPhysicist | 10/21/09
BTW: Einstein & Universal Time  jpw_GentlemanPhysicist | 10/21/09
Speed of light is not constant anyway...  IslandBoy_77 | 10/18/09
Oh really?  DeusExMachina | 10/23/09
Flat earth.  edcoyle | 11/04/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  mblock@... | 10/18/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  mblock@... | 10/18/09
Try reading the paper  DeusExMachina | 10/18/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  ExperiencedSoftwareDeveloper | 10/18/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  stanleyconstantine | 10/18/09
On 'C'  jpw_GentlemanPhysicist | 10/21/09
The Article Misdefines "Moore's Law"  jpw_GentlemanPhysicist | 10/21/09
Explanation of the Math & Physics Behind the Speed Limit  jpw_GentlemanPhysicist | 10/21/09
Toffoli and Levitin are Computer Engineers at Boston University  gordonryan | 10/22/09
Finally the smart people have arrived!  DeusExMachina | 10/23/09
Who Cares  caparthron | 11/20/09
RE: Computers have speed limit as unbreakable as speed of light, say physicists  caparthron | 11/20/09
7 Years...  Cayble | 11/21/09

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