What is a user to do????
DonnieBoy | 10/21/08
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One word.
Sleeper Service | 10/21/08
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Agreed, NO Windows.
DonnieBoy | 10/21/08
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Until you get a large enough market share
mdemuth | 10/21/08
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Market share or none...
storm14k | 10/21/08
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(Yawn) $10 eBay router, best firewall
Seamus O'Brog | 10/23/08
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Not so fast swifty
madirish2600 | 10/24/08
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That old nonsense?
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
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Uninformed
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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Until you get a large enough market share
Thempleton | 10/22/08
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Market-share
alqualunde@... | 10/22/08
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Ignorance
sir4taye@... | 10/22/08
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Your crystal ball has as many holes in it
Ole Man | 10/22/08
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Okay, my pupil..
TedKraan | 10/23/08
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[rolling eyes] "can you say . . .
brian ansorge | 10/23/08
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ZZZZZzzzz - stupidity is boring....nt
USTechHead | 10/22/08
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On word:
Anne O'Neimaus | 10/22/08
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Unless
AzuMao | 10/27/08
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What a bunch of clueless idiots
Mectron | 10/23/08
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Yes
Linux User 147560 | 10/21/08
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Culture Minds ...
daboochmeister | 11/06/08
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better "one word"
TG2 | 11/13/08
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Sweet
AzuMao | 11/14/08
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Enough already!
Flying Pig | 10/21/08
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Best case?
Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/21/08
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Living in paradise...
tgilbert@... | 10/21/08
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Some places won't be able to run Linux
markdean | 10/21/08
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Even then SOME PEOPLE CAN'T USE LINUX
library assistant | 10/21/08
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Send a check?
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
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So are you buying?
library assistant | 10/21/08
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another troll
do it yourself IT | 10/21/08
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You have it backasswards.
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
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You guys are missing the point... Epic FAIL...
Wolfie2K3 | 10/22/08
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@wolfie2k3: Ouch
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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85 hours x $100/hr = $85,000 ? ? ? ?
michael.detroit@... | 10/22/08
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You'd better hope your boss don't read that, Wolfie2K3
Ole Man | 10/22/08
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@Wolfie
User07734 | 10/23/08
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Ever heard of competition?
Ole Man | 10/21/08
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Well said.
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
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Ok... So what you're really saying here...
Wolfie2K3 | 10/22/08
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Have you looked at Linux??
BryanReyn | 10/22/08
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...the Fittest
Q'sDad | 10/22/08
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Wolfie, u may be a Windoze Whizz BUT(T).....
btljooz | 10/22/08
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Go back and read what I said, s...l...o...w....l...y...
Ole Man | 10/22/08
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"first Windows . . . "
brian ansorge | 10/23/08
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Message has been deleted.
EmperorDarius | 10/22/08
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We don't need any help.
kozmcrae | 10/22/08
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Who is it holding a gun to your head?
Ole Man | 10/22/08
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Suggestions you want.
TripleII | 10/21/08
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Agreed.
AzuMao | 10/27/08
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Thinking about Wine and Accountants....
SaipanMan95 | 10/22/08
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Quickbooks equivalent in Linux
btljooz | 10/22/08
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PS:
btljooz | 10/22/08
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You're wrong. Most won't.
Flying Pig | 10/22/08
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News for you
daengbo | 10/23/08
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Just see what happens if Linux were as popular as Windows...
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
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Correction
daengbo | 10/23/08
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Indeed correct
TedKraan | 10/23/08
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semantics
User07734 | 10/23/08
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windows IS multi-session... kinda...
robsku | 10/23/08
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rewrite windows?
robsku | 10/23/08
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False statement.
TripleII | 10/21/08
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Interesting idea
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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Couple of links.
TripleII | 10/22/08
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Try working in the REAL world of IT
Flying Pig | 10/22/08
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sad
gertruded | 10/22/08
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Not Sad At All
Flying Pig | 10/22/08
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Then use a VM or upgrade to Vista.
TripleII | 10/22/08
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Actually, we are
Flying Pig | 10/22/08
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Re: Try working in the REAL world of IT.
hkommedal | 10/22/08
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You are right!
Ole Man | 10/22/08
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The key word is "mainly"
Flying Pig | 10/23/08
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I don't know, but you just may have locked yourself down
Ole Man | 10/22/08
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Been there, read that (with addendum)
Flying Pig | 10/23/08
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Ahhh, yes, now I see
Ole Man | 10/23/08
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"Amen and Amen" from a Linux user
Seamus O'Brog | 10/23/08
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Under the Radar
JsloNt@... | 10/21/08
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In some sense, yes
markdean | 10/21/08
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Patently FALSE...
SpikeyMike | 10/21/08
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Don't you mean
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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Patently
daengbo | 10/23/08
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If you have
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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FUD
gertruded | 10/22/08
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Linux uhh no big NO!
JR2012 | 10/21/08
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Hey!
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
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Nawww!
Ole Man | 10/21/08
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Uh, yes is what you were looking for
zkiwi | 10/21/08
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You would be the first.
TripleII | 10/21/08
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Good post
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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will wine run the spyware?
nazcalito | 10/21/08
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Yes
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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WINE & spyware
robsku | 10/23/08
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Or learn how to admin a Windows box...
Confused by religion | 10/21/08
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Yes... but no.
magallanes | 10/22/08
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LOL - thank you...cha-ching...nt
USTechHead | 10/22/08
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Better word...Jail
Modgirl | 10/22/08
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Far be it from me...
Anne O'Neimaus | 10/22/08
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" Security is mostly superstition. It does not exist in nature"
Ole Man | 10/22/08
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Wow!
Ole Man | 10/22/08
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RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
Telix | 10/21/08
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Ok, agreed, OpenBSD is more secure.
DonnieBoy | 10/21/08
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RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
Loverock Davidson | 10/21/08
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Have to agree
frgough | 10/21/08
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two years or so out of date, sorry
rousta_bout@... | 10/21/08
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Dial-up users can be safe...
Anton Philidor | 10/21/08
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Protection for dial-up users
kwwall@... | 10/22/08
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You're absolutely correct...
LiquidLearner | 10/21/08
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No doubt!
daMan25 | 10/21/08
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you ought to read the article
rousta_bout@... | 10/21/08
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Like we are going to believe you over the New York Times?! LOL
Linux User 147560 | 10/21/08
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I agree with Loverock...
Mahegan | 10/21/08
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Yup.
joe.smetona@... | 10/21/08
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Because...
ye | 10/21/08
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I don't use Vista, but...
joe.smetona@... | 10/21/08
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Will you be the first one to...
ye | 10/21/08
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Windows had to change from the ground up.
joe.smetona@... | 10/21/08
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I didn't see any explanation as to...
ye | 10/21/08
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OK Here's 3 off the top of my head:
markdean | 10/21/08
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BZZT! Care to try again?
ye | 10/21/08
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@ye: Okay
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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@TedKraan: Just what is this supposed to prove?
ye | 10/22/08
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@ye: Spot the differences:
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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ELF
daengbo | 10/23/08
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So about that 5 minute thing?
zkiwi | 10/21/08
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As is usual it's outdated information.
ye | 10/21/08
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So...
zkiwi | 10/21/08
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The five minute average is referring to XP systems pre-SP2
ye | 10/22/08
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Ah well...
zkiwi | 10/22/08
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how come there are all those botnets.
deowll | 10/21/08
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Applications
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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Attack vectors come from even the unsuspected sources
mystic100 | 10/22/08
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OMG - real world?
waltmaine | 10/21/08
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I think the study you are refering to...
deowll | 10/21/08
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The real problem
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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"no chance"? I'd dare say that is too broad a brush
markdean | 10/21/08
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Baby steps Loverock...
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
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Trouble is, once you click "I agree" to your EULA
Ole Man | 10/21/08
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Mr Davidson
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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This is what I would do
mystic100 | 10/22/08
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That's an option
TedKraan | 10/23/08
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so what's a user to do?
elllroy | 10/21/08
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Don't you wish it was that easy
Zeddd | 10/21/08
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The only problem with that argument...
storm14k | 10/21/08
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Ah ... the solution at last?
tgilbert@... | 10/21/08
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For once your sarcasm hit the spot
Ole Man | 10/21/08
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Who's reading my logs?
tgilbert@... | 10/22/08
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As a PC gamer
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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attempt to DOS them off the internet since its all they can do.
deowll | 10/21/08
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So there is a HOPE diamond...
arminw | 10/21/08
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Think of malware as a bull in a pasture
Ole Man | 10/21/08
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All three were vulnerable to that hack.
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
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Correction -- Linux machine not compromised
daengbo | 10/23/08
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don't be ridiculous
library assistant | 10/21/08
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Hey Microsoft.
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
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I'd love to tell Microsoft
library assistant | 10/21/08
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They have the best and highest paid, you won't tell them anything.
kozmcrae | 10/22/08
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Time to infection is less than five minutes
3D0G | 10/21/08
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From the article:
ye | 10/21/08
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5 Minute quote came from MS
j.m.galvin | 10/21/08
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But he was spot on when he said...
ye | 10/21/08
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Wrong.
macoafi | 10/21/08
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He was quoting the number given in the article.
ye | 10/21/08
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Agreed, but
daengbo | 10/24/08
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I can't be certain but...
deowll | 10/21/08
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So, the article is actually about
Mahegan | 10/21/08
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Actually No.
The_Quietman | 10/21/08
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Misguided if so
Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/21/08
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RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
SoftwareDeveloperMI | 10/21/08
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Looks like you need to upgrade to Vista.
ye | 10/21/08
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Vista isn't any safer.
The_Quietman | 10/21/08
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An OS can only do so much.
ye | 10/21/08
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A friend with 2 young kids.
joe.smetona@... | 10/21/08
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... and a trained monkey
tgilbert@... | 10/21/08
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It's called real life experience.
joe.smetona@... | 10/23/08
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Give your friend and his two young kids an unprivileged...
ye | 10/21/08
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Big Difference $$$$$$$$$
joe.smetona@... | 11/21/08
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Re: joe.smet
AzuMao | 11/22/08
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Re: AzuMao
joe.smetona@... | 12/31/08
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=P
AzuMao | 01/01/09
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But Vista
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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Did they give you a none privileged account?
deowll | 10/21/08
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The CanSec security challenge illustrated that.
ye | 10/21/08
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Those end runs will get you every time.
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
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It is my understanding Flash installs...
ye | 10/22/08
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Not system
daengbo | 10/24/08
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determined to punch holes in Windows security
Ole Man | 10/21/08
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Here is what you do:
CobraA1 | 10/21/08
|

Beware your Linux and Mac friends?
roystonlodge | 10/21/08
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You responding to the right person?
CobraA1 | 10/21/08
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They are not...
arminw | 10/21/08
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How could Windows become any harder to infect?
ye | 10/21/08
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I'd invite you to check your statistics
CobraA1 | 10/21/08
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Mac or OSX?
roystonlodge | 10/22/08
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Truth? Or truthiness?
Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/21/08
|
 
As far as I'm concerned
tracy anne | 10/25/08
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There's basically 2 groups here.
joe.smetona@... | 10/25/08
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Then just move to linux!
bendib | 10/31/08
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oh, and you can get linux free at my site!
bendib | 10/31/08
|
 
Any AV I've seen for Linux is really for Windows.
joe.smetona@... | 12/31/08
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Assume everybody has a virus.
deowll | 10/21/08
|
 
Or use Norton
library assistant | 10/21/08
|
  
It's not "use Norton"
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
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Nah
library assistant | 10/21/08
|
  
Norton is the worst
EmperorDarius | 10/22/08
|

Who do you trust?
tgilbert@... | 10/21/08
|
 
Damages?
kozmcrae | 10/21/08
|
 
Paranoid schizophrenics
Ole Man | 10/21/08
|
 
Irony?
CobraA1 | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: Microsoft is in on the infections
TomDeMan | 10/21/08
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Unfortunately, you're wrong.
Alan Burns | 10/21/08
|

Just a question
deowll | 10/21/08
|

They write the virus to keep you scared.. THINK ABOUT IT
PenguinPowerPusher | 10/22/08
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RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
Regman999 | 10/21/08
|

What!! No Porn!!!...
Regman999 | 10/21/08
|
 
It sounded so nice...
MGP2 | 10/21/08
|
A couple of (maybe stupid) questions...
roystonlodge | 10/21/08
|

How to tell
JsloNt@... | 10/21/08
|
 
How to tell
rob@... | 10/22/08
|

Not 100% sure.
deowll | 10/21/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
TomDeMan | 10/21/08
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No power = dead bot
charlesurrea@... | 10/21/08
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What to do?
Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/21/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
rob@... | 10/21/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
drdata@... | 10/21/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
rcalahan1@... | 10/21/08
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Process or program name for the Zombie?
Curiousguy99 | 10/21/08
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I am not a troll
library assistant | 10/21/08
|

Not sure who you are replying to, however...
TripleII | 10/21/08
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This really shows the unwise choice in XP for UMPC.
TripleII | 10/21/08
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RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
jwintersmith@... | 10/21/08
|

You need to call your doctor!
TripleII | 10/21/08
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RE: More media sensationalism.
Bozzer | 10/21/08
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RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
JOHN_TUOHY | 10/22/08
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@Wolfie2K - 100 *85 =8500 and not 85.000
Kostagh | 10/22/08
|

didn't even notice that..
TedKraan | 10/22/08
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RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
Kostagh | 10/22/08
|
I just don't get you guys...
Kostagh | 10/22/08
|

The story was about
TedKraan | 10/22/08
|

How do you know?
TripleII | 10/22/08
|

Yep, I have my Windows boxes locked down tight, too
Ole Man | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
mike acker | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
no_zd_user_name | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
medezark@... | 10/22/08
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RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
dtoro | 10/22/08
|
Must be a humorous piece.
alf@... | 10/22/08
|

Actually, because:
btljooz | 10/22/08
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Can be evaded
EmperorDarius | 10/22/08
|

I wish u luck, E.D., ur gonna NEED it! n/t
btljooz | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
cmcintosh | 10/22/08
|

RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
Franciscus101 | 10/22/08
|
 
Take a look at distros like Ubuntu and PCLOS.....
btljooz | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
oneoldgeek@... | 10/22/08
|

The above post was aimed at Wolfie and is on target. n/t
btljooz | 10/22/08
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Is market share to blame? Does Linux = Windows?
davidr69 | 10/22/08
|

Cooper Tires in Union workers
Dilberter | 10/22/08
|
 
Cause and effect
davidr69 | 10/22/08
|
  
It's one of the common misperceptions
TedKraan | 10/23/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
Dilberter | 10/22/08
|

It's no longer a game, so they're not thinking like a gamer
spec07 | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
bj70117@... | 10/22/08
|
m0n0wall
j.dupont | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
jackofalltradesmasterofnone | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
jackofalltradesmasterofnone | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
CBR1000F | 10/22/08
|
Time to infection is less than five minutes?
gbentley@... | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
Ozone71 | 10/22/08
|
What dark figure would attempt to infect 0.9 % of PC users?
transposeIT | 10/22/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
zdnet@... | 10/23/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
Lars777 | 10/23/08
|
OS is irrelevant
Dr_Zinj | 10/23/08
|
Much Improved
nucrash | 10/23/08
|
Restricted Users
Island Gecko | 10/23/08
|

Linux is a great solution, but it is not feasible for everyone...
tracy anne | 10/24/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
ereshkagal | 10/23/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
swamprob@... | 10/23/08
|

Pleeeeease don't say "Get Linux"
tracy anne | 10/24/08
|
 
So it's Linux or nothing?
swamprob@... | 10/24/08
|
  
Why not ask your daddy?
Ole Man | 10/24/08
|
  
No, it's not Linux or nothing
tracy anne | 10/25/08
|

A ZDNet search engine
Ole Man | 10/24/08
|
Yikes. So what's a user to do?
tracy anne | 10/24/08
|
this news is pure FUD.
qmlscycrajg | 10/24/08
|

Hey!, you just made an oxymoron
Ole Man | 10/24/08
|
Who has a PC connected to the internet without a firewall any more??????
Narg | 10/24/08
|

A firewall will not protect you
schmandel@... | 10/24/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
dalgleish100 | 11/11/08
|
RE: Zombie PCs: 'Time to infection is less than five minutes'
medezark@... | 10/01/09
|