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March 8th, 2009

Extreme capitalism. Consumption supreme. Is it over?

Posted by Harry Fuller @ 11:36 am

Categories: Blogroll, Europe, air pollution, climate change, conservation, energy, engineering, environmental health, fossil fuel, global warming, green tech, law & politics

Tags: Wealth, Friedman, Investment, Finance, Harry Fuller

I am starting to see some awareness among the chattering classes that continued population growth, endless economic growth and unhampered resource consumption may not go on forever. We have have just lived through three decades when it is considered less than acceptable for any major corporationto grow at only a few percentage points per year. And European nations worried that they had stable populations, not expanding work forces.

Just today a Putlitzer Prize winning writer has had the unmitigated gall to question whether constant economic growth is really possible, and then he throws in the issue of constant consumption of finite resources. Malthus would be proud. The deep underlying issue in the current economic mess and our global warming problems: human population growth. POPULATION BOMB bombed because of some major advances in modern agriculture, getting more turnips out of stone. But just because we avoided famines as great as predicted doesn’t mean we have salvaged our future. The planet is awash in pollution. It is not nice to fool around with Mother Nature.

Some quotes from the Friedman screed: “What if the crisis of 2008 represents something much more fundamental than a deep recession? What if it’s telling us that the whole growth model we created over the last 50 years is simply unsustainable economically and ecologically and that 2008 was when we hit the wall — when Mother Nature and the market both said: ‘No more’.”

Friedman then goes on to quote a number of growth naysayers. Modern Jeremiahs warning us of our extreme economic sins. We ignore them at the earth’s peril and that of the next generations. Where would America be today if we had used only half as much of our domestic oil over the past sixty years? By driving cars that were twice as fuel efficient? If now dead oil fields had been pumped dry at a slower rate? If we conserved BEFORE a crisis, not after?

In the greentech world the focus has been largely on energy. That makes both economic and political sense. Since man began using fire, energy’s been a primary resource of human society. In the future our food, Internet, travel, water, cities and homes will all be greatly altered by whatever energy systems we have. If suburbs are to survive we will need cheap and clean renewable energy. If the family car is to continue to be wdiespread we’ll need to evolve our energy system. Friedman says he’s optmistic we will make the needed changes. But the arguments and forces in favor of status quo will be strong and unforgiving. Progress is never guaranteed. History is littered with failed economies and empires.

A good summary of the problems comes from a fellow blogger, Joe Romm:“We created a way of raising standards of living that we can’t possibly pass on to our children. We have been getting rich by depleting all our natural stocks — water, hydrocarbons, forests, rivers, fish and arable land — and not by generating renewable flows.

“You can get this burst of wealth that we have created from this rapacious behavior. But it has to collapse, unless adults stand up and say, ‘This is a Ponzi scheme. We have not generated real wealth, and we are destroying a livable climate …’ Real wealth is something you can pass on in a way that others can enjoy.”

You mean real wealth is not a portofolio of stock options and a fat bonus? Not a condo in Florida and an air conditioned RV? Not a golf course in Phoenix and a ski lodge in Aspen?

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Harry FullerA newsman since 1969, Harry Fuller has worked for CBS, ABC, CNBC Europe, CNET and was founding news director at TechTV. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Obamasiah will not allow drilling or new Nuclear power  Christian_<>< | 03/08/09
The Bushies already destroyed the economy  GoPower | 03/08/09
Sorry, can't let the FUD stand.  TripleII | 03/08/09
Sorry, can't let YOUR FUD stand.  gertruded | 03/08/09
over leveraging  frgough | 03/08/09
Its Not Socialism. A rant on Socialism.  snberk341 | 03/08/09
Thank you  midenginedrift | 03/09/09
you aught to do stand up  marks055@... | 03/26/09
Convenient memory & overuse of "Socialism"  ThePoke | 03/09/09
Kommie 'publicans..... it's YOUR GREED.  ThePoke | 03/09/09
Socialism != Human Nature  dougbrunelle@... | 03/09/09
Reply to blocked post  ThePoke | 03/10/09
Head socialists  viztor | 03/11/09
No, it was Clinton's watch.  TripleII | 03/09/09
well put nt  marks055@... | 03/26/09
Phil Gramm and banking deregulation  GoPower | 03/09/09
true enough but who signed the BILL  marks055@... | 03/26/09
I'm no bush fan but the the economic policies of slick willy  marks055@... | 03/26/09
off topic spamming again by this person  gertruded | 03/08/09
what's off-topic about it  frgough | 03/08/09
off topic spanning  durnking | 03/09/09
Not a very good link.  ChrisOPeterson | 03/08/09
What to do?  Lt. Dan | 03/09/09
The Economy, Energy and the Environment  HooNoze | 03/08/09
We didn't have extreme capitalism  Lerianis | 03/08/09
Corruption has also been vast in the government  zmud | 03/08/09
The reason corruption  frgough | 03/08/09
cur(s)es  viztor | 03/11/09
Wrong  frgough | 03/08/09
You don't read the news much, do you....  snberk341 | 03/08/09
More of an argument for space exploration  zmud | 03/08/09
Oh, for crying out loud  frgough | 03/08/09
Yup, another nonsensical article by ZDNet radicals  MSFTWorshipper | 03/08/09
RE: Extreme capitalism. Consumption supreme. Is it over?  Growthbuster | 03/08/09
RE: Extreme capitalism. Consumption supreme. Is it over?  brutale | 03/08/09
RE: Extreme capitalism. Consumption supreme. Is it over?  caruso94 | 03/09/09
RE: Extreme capitalism. Consumption supreme. Is it over?  scottj3 | 03/09/09
Great article  Narg | 03/09/09
So the government should do nothing?  GoPower | 03/09/09
RE: Extreme capitalism. Consumption supreme. Is it over?  BLINKla | 03/09/09
Technology and New Models already available. STOP the stoppers!  BLINKla | 03/09/09
Not a shred of truth  Ed H. | 03/09/09
RE: Extreme capitalism. Consumption supreme. Is it over?  nicey1966 | 03/09/09
The eco movement loves to take swipes at...  FinanceBuzz | 03/09/09
read the article  nicey1966 | 03/10/09
What does this article mean?  Comnenus | 03/10/09
Exactly  nicey1966 | 03/10/09
75% Smaller people = single most effective measure  wellduh | 03/11/09
RE: Extreme capitalism. Consumption supreme. Is it over?  nicey1966 | 03/14/09

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