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December 6th, 2007

Steve Jobs wants you to pay $4 to "space-shift" DVDs

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 3:09 am

Categories: Apple, In the news, Industry, Legal

Tags: Steve Jobs, Apple Inc., Apple iTunes, DVD, Consumer Electronics, Digital Media, Digital Music, Personal Technology, Home Entertainment, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

It seems that Steve Jobs is looking for a new way to make money from consumers (Steve Jobs looking for a way to make money, that’s not news I hear you say … read on …). 

This time his idea is that Hollywood should start selling “premium” DVDs that contain an iTunes-compatible version of the movie for an extra few bucks.  This would allow consumers to legally have a copy of the DVD on any device - on any device that has the Apple logo on it, that is (which raises the idea that this is just another way of strengthening the ever-growing iPod/iTunes monopoly).  It seems that fair use is OK in the eyes of Steve Jobs, as long as it comes at a price.

Now I’ve long held the belief that DRM has little to do with the prevention of piracy and everything to do with holding fair use to ransom.  CDs were developed in the days before copy-protection and as such the idea that you can space-shift the data from the CD to PCs and portable music players became embedded amongst users.  The use of DRM on DVDs and downloads prevents users from getting such ideas, and this means that fair use is now held under ransom.  Apple’s moved a long way from the days of slogans such as “Rip. Mix. Burn.” which was the slogan used to promote iTunes back in 2001.

OK, but all that aside, how many would be interested in buying back their fair use rights for a few bucks?  Is paying an extra $3 or $4 worth it to have to avoid the hassles of installing rip tools, or would having an iTunes-only version be of little use to you because you want to be able to move the movie onto non-Apple devices?

Also, let’s remember that while it is possible to take a DVD and rip it into a format compatible with an iPod (or pretty much any other device for that matter), such rip tools are classed as circumvention devices under the DMCA and as such illegal.

The success (or failure) of such ventures always comes down to the path of least resistance.  Is it easier to pay a few dollars extra and avoid the hassle of having to rip the DVD yourself (and store it)?  Is it easier to just rip it with free tools?  Or is it just easier to take the illegal route and download it pre-ripped from P2P?  For different people the answer will vary. 

Thoughts?

Adrian Kingsley-HughesAdrian is a technology journalist and author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology. He also runs a popular blog called The PC Doctor. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations

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RE: Steve Jobs wants you to pay $4 to
There are several flaws with this scenario. By the
current iTunes store standards, consumer downloads
are copy protected based on their login details and as
such, each file is uniquely pro... (Read the rest)
Posted by: ct2193@... Posted on: 12/12/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Not surprising  JT82 | 12/06/07
DRM status  s_souche | 12/06/07
Huh?  James T. Kirk | 12/06/07
Sure I explain  s_souche | 12/06/07
Re: Sure I explain  none none | 12/06/07
UCC  s_souche | 12/06/07
Re: UCC  none none | 12/06/07
You have to check cases  s_souche | 12/06/07
So far off the mark...  TripleII | 12/06/07
That's what I said  s_souche | 12/06/07
It might be a language thing  TripleII | 12/06/07
um, no....  jmelnik | 12/07/07
So, he basically creates Apple's own "PlaysForSure"...  BitTwiddler | 12/06/07
If Apple makes their own PlaysForSure, then they stole it from MS  voyager529 | 12/06/07
Yeah right...  ju1ce | 12/06/07
I have no problem with that  GuidingLight | 12/06/07
With you and not with you...  voyager529 | 12/06/07
Amen Brother!  ItsTheBottomLine | 12/07/07
I agree. This is a great idea  Prognosticator | 12/06/07
Why would I pay $4 to do this?  voska | 12/06/07
Maybe not for much longer  balaknair | 12/07/07
If this story is true then Steve Jobs needs a very...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
The story is only partly true.  msalzberg | 12/06/07
DEFEND THE QUEEN!!!!  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Please  People | 12/06/07
Where in your link...  msalzberg | 12/06/07
Message has been deleted.  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Message has been deleted.  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Well NZ no matter what you call it A/C source or dock...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
Can you read?  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Well this was told to me by a big Windows...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
Oh brother  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Well now that you have explained it better...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
Yes, you can sync Zune with OS X  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Silly non-nonzealot!  MarcB_z | 12/07/07
The law needs changed.  People | 12/06/07
Based on the iPhone & AT&T deal...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
I saw one of those  rapson | 12/06/07
RE: Steve Jobs wants you to pay $4 to  none none | 12/06/07
"when the remote... refuses to accept your input...."  jmelnik | 12/07/07
Steve "Watch My Lips, Not My Contracts" Jobs  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Whatever.  People | 12/06/07
The TPM chip is not a DRM device...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
Vista doesn't have DRM embedded in its kernel  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Wrong again NZ  mrOSX | 12/06/07
mrosx osx has the same in osx or you would not be able to watch hddvds wink  SO.CAL Guy | 12/06/07
Currently you cant watch HDDVD in OSX  mrOSX | 12/06/07
Oh dear, fundamental misunderstanding!  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Glad you can admit you are wrong  MarcB_z | 12/07/07
NZ you make such rash conclusions.  mrOSX | 12/07/07
You are correct  People | 12/06/07
What does TPM mean?  GuidingLight | 12/06/07
"Trusted Platform Module "  People | 12/06/07
More Apple lies  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Jobs action  dave95. | 12/06/07
EMI  soonerproud | 12/06/07
I'm constantly amazed  NonZealot | 12/06/07
iTunes  Harry Bardal | 12/06/07
I wasn't implying  soonerproud | 12/06/07
Re: EMI  dave95. | 12/06/07
Read my post again  soonerproud | 12/06/07
I understand the history  dave95. | 12/07/07
"You believe some guy..  msalzberg | 12/06/07
Yawn, you've been embarrassed by this line of reasoning before  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Do you believe EVERYTHING you read on the internet?  MarcB_z | 12/07/07
Translation...  bmerc | 12/07/07
This is how I see it  Shelendrea | 12/06/07
Well what have you written them and what was their ...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
Sure  Shelendrea | 12/06/07
Did they provide it in writing ???  mrOSX | 12/06/07
No problem  Shelendrea | 12/06/07
Thanks for the info...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
And they should allow it too  voska | 12/06/07
That's just it  Shelendrea | 12/06/07
You already have that permission, it's called FAIR USE and it's the LAW nt  jmelnik | 12/07/07
reply to "that's just it".. you really need to buy a clue  jmelnik | 12/07/07
Who would like American Gangster on DVD?  GuidingLight | 12/06/07
you've got to be kidding  jmelnik | 12/07/07
How much money is your time worth?  rkennel | 12/06/07
exactly  buddhistMonkey | 12/06/07
Monopoly ...  christopher1.meisenzahl@... | 12/06/07
iTunes only?  lumpy_blumpkin | 12/06/07
No Thank You Steve  C0MM3NT | 12/06/07
Less Demand: Prices Fall  C0MM3NT | 12/06/07
Do you realize  MarcB_z | 12/07/07
And they should sell that on a Sony UMD disk  Boot_Agnostic | 12/06/07
NZ Again you need to clearer....  mrOSX | 12/06/07
Hehe, was wondering if you would fall into the trap  NonZealot | 12/06/07
OS X is more flexible if you have the Intel...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
And what I meant by support...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
True, no one can deny that  NonZealot | 12/06/07
Well my source of that bad info...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
You are way too liberal  People | 12/06/07
Non-nonZealot is obviously confused  MarcB_z | 12/10/07
It should be free to watch/listen to my stuff how I want to (N.T.)  jayk_z | 12/06/07
100% agree on that...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
Watching and listening to it  Shelendrea | 12/06/07
DRM affects only loyal paying customers....  mrOSX | 12/06/07
Note Update...  mrOSX | 12/06/07
How do you figure that?  Shelendrea | 12/06/07
You are right and he must have forgotten that the music industry  xuniL_z | 12/12/07
Fair Use  The Cranky Bear Reader | 12/12/07
Art  People | 12/06/07
Look at it this way then  Shelendrea | 12/06/07
omg  jmelnik | 12/07/07
Is it actually illegal?  TripleII | 12/06/07
Or maybe they are smarter then the RIAA..  mrOSX | 12/06/07
Very good question.  People | 12/06/07
This Guy is Learning Impaired . . .  joeldm | 12/06/07
We attacked Afghanistan.  People | 12/07/07
The word STUDIOS is NOT the same word as STEVE  cartoonasaurus | 12/06/07
Studios Consider Including iPod Compatible Movies...  CowLauncher | 12/06/07
RE: Steve Jobs wants you to pay $4 to  pabugeater | 12/07/07
Just most of the time  MarcB_z | 12/07/07
RE: Steve Jobs wants you to pay $4 to  JustGitRDone | 12/07/07
RE: Steve Jobs wants you to pay $4 to  jevans@... | 12/07/07
Mr. Kingsley-Hughes, please explain something.  JoshNorton | 12/07/07
RE: Steve Jobs wants you to pay $4 to  phatkat | 12/07/07
Lock in and Europe  mswift@... | 12/07/07
FANTASTIC IDEA  mlindl | 12/07/07
Wrong Again  SquishyParts | 12/07/07
Die Hard 4  ismael.negron@... | 12/07/07
RE: Steve Jobs wants you to pay $4 to  joe6pack_z | 12/07/07
One of these days (soon, I hope) content providers..  JCitizen | 12/07/07
OH MY GAWD!  e2001@... | 12/07/07
WHY?  westks | 12/09/07
I'd be willing to pay for this  John Musbach | 12/09/07
RE: Steve Jobs wants you to pay $4 to  ct2193@... | 12/12/07

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