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January 10th, 2008

Vista sucks - reality or perception?

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 7:45 am

Categories: Microsoft, Thoughts, Vista

Tags: Operating System, Microsoft Windows Vista, Perception, Dwight Silverman, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows, Software, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

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Dwight Silverman asks an interesting question - Does Vista suck, or is this just a perception?

Depending on who you talk to, Microsoft’s Vista problem has its root in one of two versions of reality:

1. The operating system really does suck.

2. The perception is that the operating system really does suck.

It seems that everyone has an opinion about Vista, from people who have used it extensively since the earliest betas to those who’ve seen a friend use it, but most will agree on one point - that Vista has a problem. Either the operating system itself is flawed or the way that people view the operating system is flawed.

So, which do you think is the true reality?

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My take on the situation is that there are a huge number of people out there who don’t care either way about Vista. Maybe they use it and have had no problems with it, or maybe they use another operating system (an earlier version of Windows, Mac OS, or Linux). But at the fringes of these people who don’t care either way are factions that have very strong views. People who run Vista and are overjoyed by it, people who’ve had a lot of problems, people with a vested interested in promoting the platform, people with an interest in promoting other platforms. Broadly speaking these groups break down into people who feel passionately positive about Vista, and those that feel the opposite.

This issue of how Vista is perceived should really only be an issue to Microsoft, after all, it’s got the most to gain or lose from how the operating system (I’m not even going to say “new operating system” any more) is seen by businesses and consumers. I guess OEMs are also a little bit interested in how the buyers see Vista, but while they have the choice of selling both Vista and XP, they’re not all that bothered.

Then there are people like myself, Ed Bott, Mary Jo Foley, Dwight Silverman, Chris Pirillo and a whole host of other pundits. I guess we form part of the influencers group. What we add to the collective pool influences, in a small way, whether other people by Vista or not. Personally, I don’t care whether you, Constant Reader, run Vista or not (I’d rather you do research and come to your own conclusions - and I’m happy to provide some food for thought). On this blog I’ve been very candid about my feelings about the OS - I run the OS, it’s getting better, but integrating it into an existing hardware or software ecosystem can bring pain, and for gaming XP is still better. Do I think that Vista sucks more than previous versions of Windows? Yes. Do I think Microsoft overpromise and under-deliver? Yes. Does anyone really need Vista? Some people do, but most could chug along with XP for now. Will SP1 change how the hardcore anti-Vista faction feels? Doubtful.

My take on the situation is that the factions will continue fighting until the whole issue becomes a moot point and then move on to something else. If Microsoft is hoping that some marketing and SP1 is going to make all the bad press disappear, then it’s going to be disappointed.

Thoughts?

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MEMORY  dsturg63@... | 01/13/08
Neither have I...  neoanderthal | 01/11/08
It seems to crash it every single time.  hbashman@... | 01/22/08
I've got to agree with you  WiredGuy | 01/10/08
From a Security Standpoint....  nucrash | 01/10/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  bryantrv | 01/10/08
Formatting  bryantrv | 01/10/08
WinFS would have made Vista only worse!  balsover | 01/11/08
I've been using Vista Home Premium for a while now  Scrat | 01/10/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  markseid@... | 01/10/08
Then You're the Rare Lucky One, Markseid  drprod@... | 01/11/08
Far more likely, you're horribly unlucky.  rtk | 01/12/08
RE: Vista sucks -- reality or perception?  orthocross | 01/22/08
I must be a "lucky one" too.  jamesrayg | 01/13/08
Yet another lucky one  philipralban@... | 01/16/08
UAC isn't that big a deal and I know it protects me.  hbashman@... | 01/22/08
Re: reality or perception?  mike_ohanlon | 01/10/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  chuck.grubb@... | 01/10/08
Problems with vista?  Cloudstrife156345@... | 01/10/08
Problems with Vista  dsturg63@... | 01/13/08
Don't look now-57% think it sucks.  hbashman@... | 01/22/08
Just like any poll  rtk | 01/23/08
Bill Gates can't even brag about Vista.  bjbrock | 01/10/08
Next Version  1tl | 01/10/08
really does Suck  aussieblnd@... | 01/10/08
Inq and Gizmode are retards.  jamesrayg | 01/13/08
Wow. Is that the same site  GuidingLight | 01/18/08
No, that is the site where  Ole Man | 01/18/08
Sure some problems exist  mtgarden | 01/10/08
I'm with you  laura.b | 01/10/08
Is there a difference?  tombalablomba | 01/10/08
Whaaattt!?  D. T. Schmitz | 01/10/08
he he  tombalablomba | 01/10/08
tombalablomba!.........................  D. T. Schmitz | 01/10/08
You description of tearing video and BSODs  rtk | 01/10/08
tearing video and BSODs  jocaan@... | 01/22/08
why bother??  sparkle farkle | 01/10/08
Vista really does SUCK!!  TechExec2 | 01/10/08
Tell us more...  gene_fitz@... | 01/10/08
Oooh Yeah  philipralban@... | 01/10/08
Vista Compatibility Problems  ju1ce | 01/10/08
I've already told you quite enough already  TechExec2 | 01/10/08
I've already told you quite enough already  aussieblnd@... | 01/10/08
The reply  gene_fitz@... | 01/10/08
Did you learn  Linux User 147560 | 01/10/08
Fatal Error: *** TEXT BUFFER OVERFLOW ***  D. T. Schmitz | 01/10/08
oops  gene_fitz@... | 01/11/08
You certainly ....  ShadeTree | 01/11/08
RE: Vista sucks - Reality or perception?  orthocross | 01/22/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  orthocross | 01/22/08
This is the Ole Man  Ole Man | 01/10/08
re: Vista really does SUCK!!  Badgered | 01/11/08
UAC Annoying?  otaddy | 01/12/08
Vista Sucks Sucks Sucks!!!  chessmen | 01/22/08
There's no dought, Vista really does SUCK!!  hbashman@... | 01/23/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  dfannman@... | 01/10/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  steve@... | 01/10/08
Vista has been very poorly planed!!  hbashman@... | 01/23/08
I think you hit the nail on the head. It may not be that bad, but in ain't  DonnieBoy | 01/10/08
Not enough new features  otaddy | 01/11/08
The Real Issue with this Argument  weepule | 01/10/08
Vista Thoughts  notlehs | 01/10/08
Vista will never be ""quite great"", sorry!  hbashman@... | 01/23/08
Sorry  Harry Bardal | 01/10/08
I disagree  Badgered | 01/11/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  rrrgroup@... | 01/10/08
Does it make a difference?  frgough | 01/10/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  green alien | 01/10/08
Vista and Leopard both have the proprietary software user tax  progon | 01/10/08
Wow ...  fredsmith6 | 01/10/08
It's not a tax, its a cost  otaddy | 01/12/08
It *is* a tax by your definition...  pyrr | 01/18/08
Wow. Are they working with aliens?  GuidingLight | 01/18/08
You should read something besides Microsoft propoganda  Ole Man | 01/18/08
Their goal seems to be to make sure that no PCs are sold without an OS..  Ole Man | 01/18/08
if you think..  doh123 | 01/19/08
oh.. and...  doh123 | 01/19/08
Vista sucks  kd7mnr@... | 01/10/08
My experience  gene_fitz@... | 01/10/08
And you say your not a Microsoft butt kisser  hbashman@... | 01/23/08
Not sure what the problem really is?  daMan25 | 01/10/08
I have never used Vista  Calufrax | 01/10/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  rlboyce@... | 01/10/08
It's FUD like this as to why it's just perception.  ye | 01/10/08
Let's counter that counter FUD  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 01/24/08
Hardware "requirements"?  M.R. Kennedy | 01/10/08
Stakeholders  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/10/08
No one needs Vista. Just like no one needs Leopard.  ye | 01/10/08
Leopard offers Time Machine  Len Rooney | 01/10/08
I don't need it. It's not a must have for me.  ye | 01/10/08
Need  Harry Bardal | 01/10/08
The question being asked shows how many people dispise MS.  ye | 01/10/08
re: The question being asked shows how many people dispise MS  deaf_e_kate | 01/10/08
I've been around since the Apple ][  ye | 01/10/08
In your eyes, just as Linux is crap in others  GuidingLight | 01/18/08
they have many more good marks as opposed to bad.  Ole Man | 01/18/08
I wouldn't say that  Michael Kelly | 01/10/08
I felt the same about Windows XP  ye | 01/11/08
I agree that drivers were the issue  Michael Kelly | 01/11/08
Then OS X must really suck!  ye | 01/11/08
The same could be said of Leapord.  ShadeTree | 01/10/08
You don't sell Macs so...  Mikael_z | 01/13/08
Vista OS  dsturg63@... | 01/13/08
That was actually funny! happy  Mikael_z | 01/13/08
8GB RAM Under Vista Causes Its Own Problems  bhartman33@... | 01/18/08
Windows XP Pro SP3 VM Edition  D. T. Schmitz | 01/10/08
Perception IS Reality!!!! (nt)  n0neXn0ne | 01/10/08
Perception is Reality?  orthocross | 01/22/08
Vista doesn't suck  Ole Man | 01/10/08
Vista is ME  Big Scoddie | 01/10/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  limzm | 01/10/08
oh come on........  edwin.mc@... | 01/11/08
It's no surprise a newer operating system doesn't perform as well...  ye | 01/11/08
RE:  limzm | 01/12/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  yagijd | 01/11/08
Starting with its EULA, Vista is a damn disaster  zaine_ridling | 01/11/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  Johnny Brandie | 01/11/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  edwin.mc@... | 01/11/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  gss1970@... | 01/11/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  jamesjhs | 01/11/08
I'm Happy with Vista - it's no ME  vicw926a4@... | 01/11/08
Why Are You Happy?  chessmen | 01/22/08
read the bullet points from any of a thousand sources. (nt)  rtk | 01/23/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  Eric F | 01/11/08
Its been ok - except !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  hbashman@... | 01/23/08
Asking the question answers it  Jeremy W | 01/11/08
I changed back to XP  nizuse | 01/11/08
Me Too!  chessmen | 01/22/08
You asked for my uninformed opinion ...  daengbo | 01/11/08
Unbelievable amount of...  Qbt | 01/11/08
No Fud, Vista Really Does Suck  chessmen | 01/22/08
Now PeterWeter and Vista suck, and badly!!  hbashman@... | 01/23/08
Which foot 1st, What side of the bed??  boogie2277@... | 01/11/08
Vista is flaky  kRogue | 01/12/08
Vista does have issues  TtfnJohn | 01/12/08
Vista was pushed out early  otaddy | 01/12/08
But Where Was Vista Pushed Out From? NT  chessmen | 01/22/08
Again, Vista does suck, and badly!!  hbashman@... | 01/23/08
Drivers duh.  jamesrayg | 01/13/08
PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!  anthonyballmer@... | 01/13/08
It's bad  fde101 | 01/14/08
Why don't you use Java while you are at it.  balsover | 01/14/08
Ultie IS King.  VONDRASHEK@... | 01/15/08
Vista Sucks - Reality - use XP or some other OS  boed | 01/16/08
or  rtk | 01/16/08
PRECEPTION - PROPAGANDA!  ballmerclone2@... | 01/18/08
Vista is like a bad date pretty exciting but really not going anywhere  mlkiely@... | 01/21/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  ramnet@... | 01/22/08
"Vista Sucks" is the reality show now running on PCs everywhere  dsafety@... | 01/22/08
Sitting on the fence  jrf2027@... | 01/22/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  Cosmic1 | 01/22/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  david@... | 01/22/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  quark@... | 01/22/08
VISTA = EDSEL  Dr_Zinj | 01/22/08
Re:VISTA = EDSEL  orthocross | 01/22/08
Vista isn't a crappy os.  TheMasterTech | 01/22/08
Its Human Nature To Avoid Products That Suck  chessmen | 01/22/08
You've got the whole thing backwords  marchatfield | 01/29/08
Vista is Ishtar  hansonjb | 01/22/08
Vista Network Performance Sucks  leekellerking@... | 01/22/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  orthocross | 01/22/08
Vista Works  bvonr@... | 01/22/08
Re: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  orthocross | 01/22/08
Vista Works...Badly  chessmen | 01/22/08
Vista isn't as bad as advertised!!!!  rgeiken@... | 01/22/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  orthocross | 01/22/08
Lots of Hardware To Get Win XP Performance  chessmen | 01/22/08
no, just fairly modern hardware.  rtk | 01/23/08
And you still haven't answered his question  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 01/24/08
Sure I did  rtk | 01/24/08
Sounds like he was asking YOU...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 01/25/08
Me, personally?  rtk | 01/26/08
Oh, the standard line...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 01/26/08
Pick your troll bud.  rtk | 01/27/08
I will, pal...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 01/27/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  jks1516@... | 01/22/08
BOTH - reality AND perception...  i8thecat | 01/22/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  frj111@... | 01/22/08
Vista Sucks, Not America  chessmen | 01/22/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  odysey68@... | 01/22/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  wrench797@... | 01/22/08
So why does the poll here say Vista sucks by 57%  hbashman@... | 01/23/08
Put me in the Sucks Column  thirtyseven | 02/12/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  mickrussom@... | 04/12/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  neoquon@... | 05/28/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  zbart | 06/04/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  DrewBuck | 06/27/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  davidb@... | 06/28/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  raider00321 | 08/30/08
RE: Vista sucks - reality or perception?  mym67@... | 09/07/08
RE: BLOATED OS!  Mtchme | 10/28/08
vista super sucks, makes millenium look streamlined  LeOtis | 12/22/08

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