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February 12th, 2008

Microsoft employee caught out by Windows Vista Capable logo

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 11:50 am

Categories: Vista

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp., Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Microsoft Windows, E-mail, Operating Systems, Software, Online Communications, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Think that Microsoft’s “Windows Vista Capable” logo was too confusing?  You’re not alone.  It seems that the program also caught out at least one Microsoft employee.

Note: For background on the logo programs see this post.  Far background to the case see this post.  For thoughts I had at the time, see this post.

Seattle Post-Intelligencer reporter Joseph Tartakoff attended a hearing before U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman on Friday and reports on some of Microsoft’s internal e-mails quoted during the hearing.  And it makes very interesting reading.  In fact, the three excerpts quoted are priceless.

Another employee, Mike Nash, currently a corporate vice president for Windows product management, wrote in an e-mail, “I PERSONALLY got burnt. … Are we seeing this from a lot of customers? … I now have a $2,100 e-mail machine.”

That’s pretty bad - that’s also a lot of money to spend on a machine that was only “Vista Capable”.  But there’s more:

Jim Allchin, then the co-president of Microsoft’s Platforms and Services Division, wrote in another e-mail, “We really botched this. … You guys have to do a better job with our customers.”

And this employee doesn’t have much faith in the “Windows Vista Capable” logo:

“Even a piece of junk will qualify” for the “Windows Vista Capable” designation, wrote one employee in an e-mail that Tilden read out loud.

I long held the belief that Vista Basic was Microsoft’s way to allow OEMs to continue to sell low-spec systems and still call them Vista machines, and that the “Windows Vista Capable” program would be used to push these machines onto unsuspecting customers.  Seems I was right to be concerned. 

I feel sorry for people who purchased these machines with visions of Vista (and Aero) in their heads.  These people ended up with systems which could barely run Vista.

Thoughts?

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Interesting phrase: caught out  j.m.galvin | 02/12/08
Which (in you ropinion) Basic VS Ultimate?  TripleII | 02/12/08
Meant to reply to story, not message (NT)  TripleII | 02/12/08
re: which  Badgered | 02/12/08
The angriest feedback that I have heard...  JonathonDoe | 02/12/08
Please, clarify your point...  Solid Water | 02/12/08
Could be both...?  joe.krisanda@... | 02/13/08
RE: Which in your opinion...  bfilipiak@... | 02/13/08
It's about time somebody caught them with their pants down.  Solid Jedi Knight | 02/14/08
RE: Microsoft employee caught out by Windows Vista Capable logo  martinomg | 02/12/08
RE: Microsoft employee caught out by Windows Vista Capable logo  zoldello@... | 02/12/08
All the Amway fluff and Ronco glitz ...  kd5auq | 02/12/08
$2,100 e-mail machine?  mdemuth | 02/12/08
It if Microsoft allows the logo to go on it  voska1 | 02/12/08
Yes, it is their fault (maybe)  zkiwi | 02/12/08
It's Mike Nash dude...  lawryll@... | 02/12/08
"Vista Capable" isn't THAT complicated to figure out...  Wolfie2K3 | 02/13/08
Crappy Machines are at fault  shassouneh | 02/12/08
But most people who buy computers...  mrOSX | 02/13/08
Greed works  Mikael_z | 02/14/08
Yeah their fault  zclayton2 | 02/14/08
$2100 email machine is clearly ridiculous  Cayble | 02/14/08
It's got a Vista logo on it  glocks out | 02/12/08
I would have thought that anyone...  JonathonDoe | 02/12/08
Hey, my old Pentium-MMX is vista capable.  kraterz | 02/12/08
The only thing stopping me from putting Vista in Virtual PC on my Mac...  nix_hed | 02/13/08
Vista Logo = Major Joke  itanalyst | 02/12/08
One Hug for you  TardHugger@... | 02/13/08
Which Version?  dangeruss | 02/13/08
Calling Out Coward No_Ax  itanalyst | 02/12/08
Dude, please, give it a rest. PLEASE.  James T. Kirk | 02/13/08
Still it's odd he hasn't posted  voska1 | 02/14/08
Once again MS displays its deliberate intent to deceive.  Henrik Moller | 02/13/08
Not surprised; Minimum Requirements always fall short.  constantgeographer | 02/13/08
Vista Capable?  joe.krisanda@... | 02/13/08
Well it maybe MS fault or NOT.......  vbp1 | 02/13/08
Mike Cox...are you out there?  IT_Guy_z | 02/13/08
Hmm...Where IS he?  nix_hed | 02/13/08
I'll give that an 6.2...  Wolfie2K3 | 02/13/08
RE: Microsoft employee caught out by Windows Vista Capable logo  george@... | 02/13/08
Do you really believe Microsoft?  techmail@... | 02/13/08
Please point me to the class action suit against MS......  carlsf@... | 02/13/08
Numb from the top down  boberuski | 02/13/08
Agreed  robertwc@... | 02/13/08
$2100 email pc  vi0l3t1975@... | 02/13/08
Problem is  wkeatonjr | 02/14/08
$2100 email pc  techrep@... | 03/17/08
RE: Microsoft employee caught out by Windows Vista Capable logo  creep144 | 02/13/08

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